ejabberd - Tuesday, September 9, 2025

[08:36:29] <arut_s2> Hello everyone again, I still want to understand how and where ejabberd sends Push notifications (if it does this at all)?
You explained to me yesterday about receiving notifications by establishing and maintaining a TCP connection, but as I understand it, this is not a Push notification, but just a notification, because the application is in the background and no one wakes him up, as in the case of Push.
So how do you implement real Push notifications without downloading the app from Google Play? And even in the case of an application downloaded from Google Play... does ejabberd contact GCM/FCM to send Push notifications?
I ask such questions because the official documentation does not provide answers to this.

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[08:37:44] <Holger> arut_s2, as you've been told by others, GCM only works for apps that were installed from the Play Store.

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[08:39:16] <Holger> arut_s2, you said you installed Conversations from F-Droid instead. In that case Conversations will try it's very best to remain connected in the background. The user might have to permit background usage in the Android settings.
[08:39:33] <arut_s2> > arut_s2, as you've been told by others, GCM only works for apps that were installed from the Play Store.
I understand that. I want to understand how exactly ejabberd interacts with these servers.
Or how to set up interaction with your Push server.
[08:39:40] <Holger> arut_s2, if Conversations is installed from the Play Store, GCM (well FCM) notifications are supported.

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[08:40:08] <Holger> arut_s2, as you've been told, all you need is to have `mod_push: {}` enabled.

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[08:41:02] <Holger> arut_s2, the "push server" (which is basically a proxy that talks to Google/Apple) is operated by the app vendor, and `mod_push` talks to that push server.

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[08:41:29] <prefiks> fcm indeed works only when installed from google play store, as fcm work by sending special message to google server that is then routed to your device, but that is only allowed when it's installed from play store
[08:42:01] <Holger> arut_s2, on first connect, the client communicates with mod_push to inform your ejabberd how to reach the "push server" operated by the client's vendor.

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[08:43:21] <arut_s2> > fcm indeed works only when installed from google play store, as fcm work by sending special message to google server that is then routed to your device, but that is only allowed when it's installed from play store
And with apps not from the Play Store, can I set up Push using my push server?
[08:43:44] <Holger> arut_s2, nope.
[08:44:23] <arut_s2> > arut_s2, nope.
May I ask why? I am very interested in this question.
[08:45:05] <Holger> arut_s2, as prefiks said. You need credentials from Google to send push notifications to your app. And you'll only get those for apps you published via Play Store.

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[08:45:24] <prefiks> theoretically yes, in practice no, you will need to change android installed on your device

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[08:45:48] <prefiks> (for example xiaomi have/had alternative implementation for push)

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[08:46:17] <prefiks> plus you will need to somehow teach apps server to talk to your server instead of google one
[08:46:29] <Holger> Yeah technically, custom ROMs could offer these things.

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[08:48:06] <Holger> I mean there's stuff such as Unified Push which tries to offer a non-Google push solution. But that basically depends on a "push handler app" running in the background on your phone. If your ROM allows that, then it will also allow Conversations from F-Droid to run in the background.

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[08:49:23] <Holger> And the client that's supposed to receive the push notifications needs explicit Unified Push support.

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[08:49:55] <Holger> I use that with Tusky, but that's the only UP app I have 😀

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[09:54:40] <arut_s2> Got it, thanks again for your responsiveness, I appreciate it!

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[10:33:05] <Kris> arut_s2: you can add the external Cheogram repo to your f-droid and install Cheogram from there (Cheogram is an advanced Conversations fork). This version has afaik FCM support even though not installed through the Playstore.

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[11:17:41] <arut_s2> > arut_s2: you can add the external Cheogram repo to your f-droid and install Cheogram from there (Cheogram is an advanced Conversations fork). This version has afaik FCM support even though not installed through the Playstore.
I tried, forcibly stopped the app, and Push notifications are still not coming. Anyway, thanks for the advice.
[11:17:52] <arut_s2> > arut_s2: you can add the external Cheogram repo to your f-droid and install Cheogram from there (Cheogram is an advanced Conversations fork). This version has afaik FCM support even though not installed through the Playstore.
I tried it, forcibly stopped the app, and Push notifications are still not coming. Anyway, thanks for the advice.

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[11:22:11] <Holger> alacer: You can check the ejabberd logs for connections to the push server (though I dunno the name in the Cheogram case).

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[11:23:13] <Holger> arut_s2, not alacer, sorry.

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[11:23:53] <Holger> And you could check whether `select * from push_session where username='arut_s2';` yields any rows.

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[11:33:01] <arut_s2> Holger, I'll check it out as soon as I can, Thank You.

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