ejabberd - Saturday, October 3, 2026

[03:57:46] <DinoX> Yes, but he’s not on the chat; unfortunately, I don’t have his XMPP address. It’s about a patch in a non-public repro that’s been open since 13 August and wasn’t included in 26.09, and which is actually very relevant.

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[09:45:17] <Holger> DinoX, that repo is accessible by you + prefiks only? prefiks is usually active during 'business hours' so chances are you'll be waiting until Monday anyway.

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[09:46:15] <Holger> A 26.10 release might be a good idea anyway 😕

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[09:47:10] <Holger> I have a security thingy myself, plus that ordering thing broke at least Monal push notifications (I'm betting there's more to come) …

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[09:49:46] <Licaon_Kter> The ordering broke it? Wow

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[09:51:17] <Licaon_Kter> I should have caught it, but I only grep for "error" :(

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[09:55:20] <Holger> What happens is: We XMPP guys are too stupid to add correct XML Schemas to XEPs. We keep writing a schema that says 'ordering is relevant' despite that being nonsense (I think it should kinda never be). At least we're aware of being too stupid, so we declared the Schema to be non-authoritative. Now LLM code comes up, LLMs take the Schema serious (something I'd sympathize with in theory but less so in practice), and stumble over ordering nonsense.

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[09:57:54] <Holger> In an attempt to address that, 26.09 throws the ordering around, and thereby breaks client/remote code that depended on the previous ordering (usually for no good reason).

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[10:31:32] <Licaon_Kter> If it exposes more bugs in the ecosystem, I'd say this is good-ish
[10:32:04] <Holger> Tell that my Monal-using family 🙂

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[10:32:29] <Licaon_Kter> I'm hurt too here, but....

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[10:33:52] <Holger> In general I'm all for strictness, in this specific case I'm unsure as to what exactly should be the correct behavior. Should we adhere to a spec that's non-authoritative and stupid, or rather not? 🙂

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[10:35:14] <Holger> I mean ejabberd should most probably revert to the Schema's ordering and call it a day. But XMPP's handling of ordering will remain broken.

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[10:53:04] <Licaon_Kter> "Be forgiving in what you accept, be strict in what you send"? :)

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[11:15:21] <Holger> In this case probably yes. In general that's the opposite of exposing bugs though 🙂

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[12:03:40] <ofenkartoffel> > Hey
> I just updated my ejabberd from an very old version to the 26.09 release. It's a debian so I used the debian repo before. Now I switched to processone repo to get the newest version.
> Because of the different paths/directories used in the different packages, I had to hack a bit to get my system working. In fact I just linked my /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml to /opt/ejabberd/conf/ejabberd.yml
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> I wondered why there weren't any new log entries in the log files in /var/log/ejabberd until I found the logs dir in /opt.
> Is there any option to change the log files to /var/log and the config to /etc/ejabberd?
>
> I searched the ejabberdctl a bit and found this block about parsing command line parameters like --logs or --config-dir
> I tried using them to set the dirs but both of them are constantly ignored 😢
>
> Did I something wrong with the linking of the config file? Or are these parameters not ment to use (anymore)?
>
> Thank you :))
is anyone able to reproduce this? 🙂

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[13:49:09] <Holger> ofenkartoffel, FWIW, `ejabberdctl --config-dir "$prefix/etc"` works fine for me, `ejabberd.yml` and `ejabberdctl.cfg` are now expected to be in `$prefix/etc`. And my `$prefix/etc/ejabberdctl.cfg` file has a `LOGS_DIR=/path/to/log/dir` line which is respected as well.

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[14:05:50] <Licaon_Kter> Push appears fine in HEAD, thanks Holger
[14:06:07] <Holger> Thanks for testing 👍

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[14:18:22] <zoidberg> so been getting this in my logs(not related to the recent update, and seems harmless) and i would like to know if i can get rid of this,
```[error] <0.561.0>@ejabberd_sql:check_error/2:1514 SQL query 'ALTER TABLE `rosterusers` ADD COLUMN
`approved` boolean NOT NULL DEFAULT false;
' failed: <<"#42S21Duplicate column name 'approved'">>
[error] <0.561.0>@ejabberd_sql:outer_transaction/3:680 SQL transaction restarts exceeded
** Restarts: 10
```

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[14:19:20] <zoidberg> i tried changing the update_schema to false, restart ejabberd, then ON again. nothing

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[14:19:39] <zoidberg> also tried 2 slaps on the monitor, and nothing.

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[14:24:55] <raver> zoidberg: maybe verify if the existing column exactly matches the one which is trying to be added (including default value). If not, try to make it equal maybe it helps

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[14:27:28] <zoidberg> Hate to mess with the database 🙂 but yes, i think i gonna try to peek with Beekeeper tomorrow.

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[17:39:11] <dwd> > Hate to mess with the database 🙂 but yes, i think i gonna try to peek with Beekeeper tomorrow.
The film, with Jason Statham pretending to have a us accent for the first two minutes? That was fun.

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[17:46:34] <moparisthebest> > The film, with Jason Statham pretending to have a us accent for the first two minutes? That was fun.
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[20:22:58] <vahrein> I have 2 servers
Today I set up a second one and successfully connected via contacts, and even made a call. After that, an error occurred and both servers stopped communicating. I think censorship is at work, or am I missing something?
```
2026-10-03 21:02:51.055158+03:00 [warning] <0.670.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed/2:157 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection jabber.angellive.ru -> jabber.matrix-nk.ru: Connection failed: connection closed; bouncing for 86 seconds
2026-10-03 21:48:09.422674+03:00 [warning] <0.825.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed/2:157 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection jabber.angellive.ru -> jabber.matrix-nk.ru: Connection failed: connection closed; bouncing for 28 seconds
```
Here is the TLS setting
```
# TLS configuration
define_macro:
   TLS_CIPHERS: ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305
   TLS_OPTIONS:
    - no_sslv3
    - no_tlsv1
    - no_tlsv1_1
    - cipher_server_preference
    - no_compression
c2s_ciphers: TLS_CIPHERS
s2s_ciphers: TLS_CIPHERS
c2s_protocol_options: TLS_OPTIONS
s2s_protocol_options: TLS_OPTIONS
s2s_use_starttls: optional
```

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[20:33:29] <rom1dep> Interesting comments about ordering, do you folks know if Monal has come up with a fix in the meantime? Nobody has reported any issue to me so far

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[21:10:22] <moparisthebest> rom1dep: that's because they don't know they aren't getting messages 😂

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[21:12:39] <rom1dep> I know you are being witty but they do happen to send messages so it ain't too bad

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[21:15:03] <moparisthebest> yea but the symptoms will be they only get messages when they open monal and never otherwise

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[21:22:46] <vahrein> My question above is closed. It looks like I disabled IPv6, or maybe someone just took pity on me). I have another question about the new captcha. Can it be used like this, but not enable the captcha for open registration with an image? Does it protect the server if it's not specified in the blocks, for example, during registration?
```
captcha_cmd: /opt/ejabberd-26.09/lib/captcha-ng.sh
captcha_url: auto
captcha_limit: 10
captcha_pow: 5
```

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