ejabberd - Tuesday, February 17, 2026

[02:35:42] <akrosi> (please let me know if I am posting too much about my weird issue)
I have resorted to wiresharking ejabberd's traffic, and see that my router somehow seems to be mirroring s2s packets back to my server, which is probably something on my network. however, unless I'm doing something wrong, ejabberd seems to be attempting dialback with mod_s2s_dialback commented out, config reloaded, and the daemon restarted

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[04:39:30] <eltheanine> I have noticed int he aspt that some settings needed a service restart (or reboot to achieve the same) to actually change.
[04:39:47] <eltheanine> I have noticed in the past that some settings needed a service restart (or reboot to achieve the same) to actually change.

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[04:52:32] <akrosi> does proper ejabberd s2s require hosted domains to resolve to a loopback IP? I'm at a loss for things that would be breaking the host resolution

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[04:56:23] <akrosi> At this point I'm 99% I have a misconfiguration in one of
- /etc/hosts
- ejabberdctl.cfg
- inetrc
because clearly my ejabberd doesn't think s2s messages are meant for it.
Say I have machine jabberhost at domain.net, but the machine is hosting the entire domain.net XMPP domain—what is necessary for this to work?
[04:57:20] <akrosi> At this point I'm 99% I have a misconfiguration in one of
- /etc/hosts
- ejabberdctl.cfg
- inetrc
because clearly my ejabberd doesn't think s2s messages are meant for it.
Say I have machine jabberhost at domain.net, but the machine is hosting the entire domain.net XMPP domain—what is necessary for this to work? Does a custom node name in ejabberdctl.cfg break things if I don't make other changes?

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[06:46:49] <zeank> Did you post your config somewhere already?

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[09:25:41] <zoidberg> I didnt read most of what said, but what are your intentions and problems again(in a few simple words).

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[10:43:13] <zeank> raver, rain: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4534#issuecomment-3913529240
Could you help out please? We can’t reproduce your problem. There must be something missing from the configuration. Or our assumptions are wrong.
[10:43:35] <rain> Yes, creating a screenshots right now

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[10:44:16] <zeank> badlop: or can it be that your `ip_access` parameter makes the redirect_url be skipped altogether?

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[10:47:20] <rain> https://upload.jabberworld.info/u/ec27dcda43c1bdb422cd46afa492a43811cee88a/9qez76HXc3/zb2rhhi58wzJwcKP7yiSesJq4awDxJttQgHF9SfYfpU3TmYnB.jpg
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My thoughts: can it be a Conversations bug?

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[10:48:05] <rain> My setup:
  mod_invites:
    landing_page: https://join.{{ host }}/invites/{{ invite.token }}
    access_create_account: local
  mod_register:
    ip_access: all

    captcha_protected: true
    redirect_url: "https://jabber.name/registration/"
    allow_modules:
     - "mod_invites"

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[10:50:12] <zeank> >
> https://upload.jabberworld.info/u/ec27dcda43c1bdb422cd46afa492a43811cee88a/9qez76HXc3/zb2rhhi58wzJwcKP7yiSesJq4awDxJttQgHF9SfYfpU3TmYnB.jpg
> https://upload.jabberworld.info/u/ec27dcda43c1bdb422cd46afa492a43811cee88a/pUt9rLQkUz/zb2rhgg9SALW1Hq64A1uNGM8zH9Ju87nHHSW6pY1bCun3HKSc.jpg
> https://upload.jabberworld.info/u/ec27dcda43c1bdb422cd46afa492a43811cee88a/OlwIhQYHqy/zb2rhaHkVPGff2bdK6EPqS5bWN4JnpdDxQpw9zGrRkQJxYDHP.jpg
>
> My thoughts: can it be a Conversations bug?
Pretty sure this is not a conversations bug, it receives an error stanza from the registration process. That's what makes the box go red.

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[11:01:41] <raver> zeank: I've tried with conversions

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[11:02:19] <raver> And it looks exactly the same than what rain posted

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[11:40:57] <raver> This is my config: https://paste.rimkus.it/?bea3d288682ee7cd#9c4pbGCaxBKoNmujB84VBgznJfA94PgEBRVFcy4DkDGn

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[11:43:00] <raver> I could try the invitation process with gajim if it is appreciated

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[11:47:19] <zeank> At this point it's more of a problem on our side to reproduce what you see.
[11:47:21] <zeank> I think
[11:47:27] <zeank> Haven't tried myself yet

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[11:50:37] <raver> Ok, If you need any further info from my side please let me know 😊

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[12:01:23] <raver> By the way how do you do the invitation process with conversejs, I couldn't find an option to enter the invitation token

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[12:02:14] <raver> https://upload.rimkus.it/rimkus.it/share.php/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/CGojNpIBRStAHVJ2lbNzbftzPyJH8eZrYFOmBjdc/Screenshot_20260217-130157.png

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[12:05:35] <zeank> This works only if you have a client that supports handling those XMPP URIs
[12:05:49] <zeank> Otherwise you have to use the included web-form
[12:06:20] <zeank> I.e. you create an account first and then configure your new credentials with the app of your choice

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[12:06:53] <zeank> So, not sure how converse.js could ever support that. Probably - yeah - if it would allow to input an invite token manually (not very elegant)
[12:07:58] <raver> Then I'm interested in how badlop used conversejs for doing the invitation process

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[12:09:01] <zeank> He was just checking if it shows a registration form
[12:09:06] <badlop> no, i used conversejs after account is registered, in step 6, and to try if it can register using IBR, in step 1

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[12:10:02] <badlop> invitations are generated using ejabberd API (ejabberdctl, ad-hoc, ...), or ad-hoc (with compatible lcient like gajim or tkabber)
[12:10:16] <raver> > Otherwise you have to use the included web-form
https://upload.rimkus.it/rimkus.it/share.php/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/C0ydIXMy24RoGK12gHdflukXqbKJDBVhBXQbMlq8/zb2rhY8MuWPGyheFi4G8wBd7QQogFR2Cjq5hV4ydrC2rw524y.png
[12:10:25] <raver> I don't see a web form only this
[12:10:36] <raver> badlop: I see thx for clarification
[12:10:52] <zeank> Yeah, that's not supported at the moment. The web-form is only supported if you do an actual account creation invite

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[12:11:37] <raver> And how do I initiate an account creation invite?
[12:12:19] <zeank> Glad you asked! > https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/service/great_invitations/
;)
But neither Conversations nor Monal support creating those.
[12:12:38] <raver> As soon as I press the + sign in conversions/cheogram at the top it generates the qr code, or I can create a complete user with password..
[12:12:44] <zeank> You need a client that has ad-hoc support (like Gajim, profanity, Movim)
[12:12:57] <raver> zeank: I see thx

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[12:14:00] <zeank> There was a catch, why I didn't implement this right away, but can't remember at the moment. I'll work on this whole process though. Let's see what we can do.

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[12:15:02] <zeank> The flow that Conversations and Monal offer is meant for adding someone to your contact list first and foremost. Account registration is an afterthought.

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[12:15:34] <zeank> It works as long you stay within the environment (Monal or Conversations)

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[12:22:11] <raver> https://upload.rimkus.it/rimkus.it/share.php/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/u6SVumJT6FqMuse0XzkPWBsVxCZs4Eoghnl3pHUK/Screenshot_20260217-132158.png
[12:22:29] <raver> On movim the submit button is somehow missing..

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[12:26:12] <zeank> I think it's because your username is invalid

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[12:27:27] <zeank> That's optional btw, it's just if you want to suggest one (not binding anyway)
[12:27:43] <zeank> This username is then reserved until the token is being redeemed

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[12:27:54] <raver> No even if I remove the whitespace no submit button occurs
[12:28:21] <zeank> make it lowercase

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[12:29:36] <raver> https://upload.rimkus.it/rimkus.it/share.php/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/Gje0S2te9qY99BM8VAXtCLaoBEMxdHKuXaDSfkQn/Screenshot_20260217-132928.png

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[12:29:52] <raver> I'll try with a real browser when I'm back on keyboard

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[12:31:10] <zeank> Tested with Safari (on your instance) and it shows the buttons.

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[12:31:26] <zeank> But submit is greyed out the moment you use an uppercase letter

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[12:41:24] <raver> I see, let me check with a non mobile browser

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[12:42:01] <raver> If it's still not visible then maybe it has s.th. to do with our issue with redirect_url
[12:42:39] <zeank> Right, I was logged into my own server. Not sure what difference that would make regarding the form though.

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[14:59:11] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/8QyPydaUjSQc/ejabberd.yml
[14:59:15] <akrosi> > Did you post your config somewhere already?
here

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[15:01:13] <akrosi> > I didnt read most of what said, but what are your intentions and problems again(in a few simple words).
I have a server with all the creature comfort features (websockets, TLS certificates, HTTP upload, invite links/webserver integration) working perfectly for locally registered users, and I know my firewall is probably configured okay because I can receive messages from external users over S2S, but outbound server-server federation fails with host-unknown

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[15:02:03] <zoidberg> akrosi: to all servers?
[15:02:06] <akrosi> yes
[15:02:11] <akrosi> at least all I've tested
[15:02:35] <zoidberg> did you test with conversations.im?
[15:02:40] <akrosi> if someone here has a test server with minimal auth requirements, I'd be happy to send a message to it to make sure my certs aren't being rejected or something
[15:02:45] <akrosi> yes, I have 100% compliance
[15:03:02] <zoidberg> no i mean s2s with someone on conversations.im

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[15:03:17] <akrosi> ah, not yet

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[15:03:55] <zoidberg> I have servers that i could test but i am travelling and have no access to the servers/logs(and only whitelist).

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[15:04:38] <zoidberg> But if you want i can use this acc(from conversations.im) to attempt to send u a msg
[15:04:40] <akrosi> if anyone wants to see what it looks like from the inbound side (since those connections do fail, just seemingly after the message has gotten through) I am happy to take messages at emperor@emacsuser.net

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[15:05:56] <akrosi> received your message, same host-unknown error trying to reply
[15:06:01] <zoidberg> also cant see your file on my mobile, maybe a pastebin service?

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[15:08:21] <zoidberg> Maybe try to ping these domains from your server

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[15:09:40] <akrosi> I have tried using inet and inet_res from within the erlang debug shell on ejabberd and it appears to resolve target domains fine

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[15:10:40] <akrosi> and I also observed outbound TCP packets on my network with wireshark going to the correct port on a remote address, but things look a little weird, so I'm curious what "correct" XMPP S2S traffic looks like on a LAN

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[15:12:17] <akrosi> because I see two simultaneous TCP handshakes, one between my server and the remote server, and another between my router and my server (is this expected from s2s_bidi?)

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[15:16:31] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/Z2phgBt7CpzD/Screenshot_20260217_101620.png

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[15:19:37] <zoidberg> Have you tried maybe a default ejabberd config?

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[15:20:09] <zoidberg> i mean, with only the very basic changes like domain etc...
[15:20:24] <zoidberg> Make worth a try...

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[15:29:48] <zeank> ```
[15:29:56] zeank retracted a previous message, but it's unsupported by your client.
[15:30:02] <zeank> ```
2026-02-17 16:26:48.482104+01:00 [info] <0.4631008.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:init/1:292 Outbound s2s connection started: x-berg.de -> emacsuser.net
2026-02-17 16:26:49.291469+01:00 [info] <0.4631008.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_success/2:226 (tls|<0.4631008.0>) Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication x-berg.de -> emacsuser.net (96.231.167.37)
2026-02-17 16:28:02.649142+01:00 [info] <0.4631008.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed/2:150 Closing outbound s2s connection x-berg.de -> emacsuser.net: Connection failed: connection closed
```

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[15:30:39] <zeank> So, my server tries to open a connection, but nothing happens and then it gets closed. Firewall?

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[15:31:48] <zeank> I can create an outbound connection, I could also verify your SSL cert being correct.

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[15:32:56] <zeank> ```
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-server -connect emacsuser.net:5269 < /dev/null | openssl x509 -noout
Connecting to 96.231.167.37
depth=2 C=US, O=Internet Security Research Group, CN=ISRG Root X1
verify return:1
depth=1 C=US, O=Let's Encrypt, CN=E8
verify return:1
depth=0 CN=*.emacsuser.net
verify return:1
DONE
```

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[15:39:01] <akrosi> > So, my server tries to open a connection, but nothing happens and then it gets closed. Firewall?
hmmm, but then how do messages get through?
[15:39:22] <akrosi> I think it's that my server isn't or can't respond, for some reason
[15:40:03] <zeank> What do you mean by "how do messages get through"?

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[15:40:17] <akrosi> I can receive messages from federated servers perfectly fine
[15:40:35] <akrosi> but I can't send them, and clearly my server isn't returning any data after message delivery
[15:40:56] <zeank> Yeah, I think your server can not create outbound connections. Incoming seems fine.

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[15:41:20] <akrosi> so my guess is: remote server sends message -> negotiates TCP connection successfully, shoves some XML through, hears absolutely nothing back so the connection dies (hence no delivery receipts). and since my server has to initiate for outbound, that fails entirely
[15:41:44] <zeank> That's what it looks like, yes

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[15:42:57] <akrosi> so my immediate question is what code is involved in outbound s2s and not outbound c2s (because like I said, I've never had any issue with c2s up to this point, even from europeans/australians/canadians etc.)
[15:43:38] <zeank> You mean s2s?

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[15:44:46] <akrosi> no, I mean: client to server is fine, anyone can log in from anywhere, TLS negotiates fine, etc. connections have been totally stable as well. so what would break server to server and not client to server

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[15:44:51] <zoidberg> What a world we live in, he is saying that "even" from europeans/australians/canadians.(Used to be China, North Korea

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[15:45:19] <akrosi> hah yeah
but I mean, it's probably not some long range routing or ipv6/nat thing, because I know I can take international connections fine

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[15:46:17] <zeank> > no, I mean: client to server is fine, anyone can log in from anywhere, TLS negotiates fine, etc. connections have been totally stable as well. so what would break server to server and not client to server
For that all that is needed is inbound connections, it's the client establishing a connection TO your server, but your server doesn't need to establish an outbound connection for that. This is only in the s2s case.
[15:46:46] <akrosi> but the server has to send data back to the client, right?
[15:46:50] <zeank> Code involved: src/ejabberd_s2s_{in,out}.erl
[15:46:54] <akrosi> or else nobody would get any messages
[15:47:06] <zeank> Yes, but that's over the one single tcp/ip connection
[15:47:34] <zeank> Whereas on s2s there is one for in and one for out (unless both servers agree on using bidi)

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[15:48:19] <akrosi> ah, I see
and that explains the two simultaneous TCP handshakes then
[15:49:20] <akrosi> I'm using a mikrotik router and afaik those should have no outbound firewall rules of any kind to deal with, and the server is a debian trixie VM on proxmox, and again I'm not aware of any firewalling by default
[15:49:28] <akrosi> I'm using a mikrotik router and afaik those should have no outbound firewall rules of any kind to deal with, and the server is a debian trixie VM on proxmox, and again I'm not aware of any firewalling by default on either

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[15:49:55] <zeank> You mentioned your inetrc ... what does it look like?
[15:50:22] <akrosi> right now I have reverted inetrc and ejabberdctl.cfg to what ships with the process-one deb package

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[15:51:39] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/VI3OBlHNT9DR/Screenshot_20260217_105127.png
[15:51:40] <akrosi> so this
[15:52:00] <akrosi> is it good practice to edit it, or should the defaults be adequate?

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[15:57:02] <akrosi> > Whereas on s2s there is one for in and one for out (unless both servers agree on using bidi)
I can run through the wireshark packet capture I have if you want—you'd probably have a better idea of what proper handshaking should look like than me

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[16:02:43] <zeank> Can you log into your debug console (`ejabberdctl debug`) and then do this:
```
> {ok, S} = gen_tcp:connect("jwchat.org", 5269, [{active, false}, binary]), gen_tcp:send(S, "hello world\n"), gen_tcp:recv(S, 0).
```

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[16:06:18] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/29chTVJUY0N1/Screenshot_20260217_110556.png

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[16:07:05] <zeank> weird
[16:07:31] <zeank> Yeah, maybe show wireshark then. Not like I'm any good at that. But maybe someone else is.
[16:08:10] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/v4Jq9TWCxPH8/Screenshot_20260217_110752.png
[16:08:17] <akrosi> this is the entire exchange with a friend's prosody server on 5269
[16:08:25] <zeank> With "weird" I mean, this looks ok. So your server can resolve my host, it can connect and send. And receive of course.

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[16:09:49] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/9fovoGhlHnY4/Screenshot_20260217_110920.png
[16:10:12] <akrosi> you can see the bidirectional syn, syn/ack, ack to handshake, and then the first psh, ack packet is this (which looks correct!)

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[16:10:57] <akrosi> however I then get the exact thing back—is that expected in s2s connection intiation? at what point does starttls kick in?
[16:11:24] <zeank> After this
[16:12:05] <zeank> Could you do this on your machine:
```sh
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-server -connect jwchat.org:5269 < /dev/null | openssl x509 -noout
```

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[16:13:57] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/t4uHrOT6l4lx/Screenshot_20260217_111346.png
[16:13:58] <akrosi> hmmm

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[16:15:03] <zeank> Ok, that's bad. I don't know what it means and what could be the cause but this shouldn't happen.

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[16:18:24] <akrosi> ok, so apparently this machine can't do outbound TLS properly, which is deeply concerning

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[16:18:34] <zeank> What happens if you just do this?
```
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-server -connect juchat.org:5269 < /dev/null
```

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[16:19:00] <zeank> What happens if you just do this?
```
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-server -connect jwchat.org:5269 < /dev/null
```

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[16:19:18] <akrosi> https://upload.movim.eu/files/7ad9056d9df55ee9f9aefdde184eeae7a4b7144e/IrIox7UTvcjH/Screenshot_20260217_111911.png

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[16:20:24] <zeank> wth

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[16:20:42] <akrosi> exactly

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[16:20:55] <akrosi> hold on, lemme eliminate a variable

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[16:24:28] <akrosi> ok, same result after switching the VM CPU from emulated x86-64-v2-AES to "host"

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[16:25:12] <akrosi> this explains EXACTLY what's going wrong though; my server has a valid certificate for clients to connect to it, but it can't make a regular TLS connection somehow

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[16:26:33] <akrosi> I can handshake with regular websites on port 443 fine...

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[16:32:13] <akrosi> > wth
ok, so this is something with my network somehow
my laptop in another state on a university network gets the certificate fine, my openSUSE VM doesn't, and my phone on a full VPN to my home network doesn't

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[16:33:23] <zeank> So it's your home network?
[16:33:33] <zeank> What happens if you do
```
openssl s_client -connect trashserver.net:5270 < /dev/null
```

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[16:34:32] <akrosi> works perfectly fine
[16:34:47] <zeank> Hm, then it's the starttls part of the story
[16:34:59] <zeank> *from within your home network

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[16:36:31] <zeank> I guess
```
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-server -connect trashserver.net:5270 < /dev/null
```
won't work again
[16:36:38] <zeank> sorry, wrong port
[16:36:53] <zeank> ```
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-server -connect trashserver.net:5269 < /dev/null
```
[16:37:41] <akrosi> correct

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[16:38:01] <akrosi> do I need any specific inbound firewall rules for starttls to work properly, besides TCP on 5269 open?
[16:38:43] <zeank> Inbound works! Outbound doesn’t.
[16:38:49] <akrosi> yeah...

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[16:39:21] <zeank> Probably some awesome security feature of your router 🫣
[16:39:26] <akrosi> are ISPs even capable of meddling with this granularity? are they selectively dropping my STARTTLS packets after they leave my house?!
[16:40:09] <zeank> You can connect to some other xmpp servers from your phone at home using STARTTLS?
[16:40:51] <akrosi> my servers are actually at my home in one state and I'm in a unviersity in another, but yes, every other internet link besides my home one seems to allow connecting to any server via STARTTLS fine

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[16:44:16] <zeank> I just wonder why you didn’t run into problems before. Never mind.

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[16:46:42] <akrosi> what other services offer STARTTLS that I can test easily? I wonder if it's only XMPP or all STARTTLS

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[16:47:17] <zeank> There are some email servers (IMAP), that use that too

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[16:48:05] <zeank> What if you do
```
openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-client -connect jwchat.org:5222
```
[16:48:53] <zeank> > There are some email servers (IMAP), that use that too
Ah no, it seems that SMTP has that
[16:50:37] <raver> zeank: even when commenting out `redirect_url` in `mod_register` and restarting ejabberd afterwards I don't see a submit button in `Account Creation Invite` on my movim instance on mobile browser.. I'll check tomorrow on a real desktop and report back

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[16:51:01] <zeank> > zeank: even when commenting out `redirect_url` in `mod_register` and restarting ejabberd afterwards I don't see a submit button in `Account Creation Invite` on my movim instance on mobile browser.. I'll check tomorrow on a real desktop and report back
Quite certain it's a movim issue

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[16:51:16] <zeank> akrosi, or try this
```
openssl s_client -starttls smtp -crlf -connect mail.strigler.de:587 </dev/null
```

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[16:52:30] <raver> zeank: but you told before that you've tested successfully on my instance with your jid
[16:52:50] <zeank> yes, with a desktop browser
[16:52:56] <raver> > yes, with a desktop browser
👍
[16:53:18] <raver> I think it's the mobile brave browser too

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[17:13:05] <akrosi> > akrosi, or try this
> ```
> openssl s_client -starttls smtp -crlf -connect mail.strigler.de:587 </dev/null
> ```
works fine
[17:13:25] <zeank> weird

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[17:14:03] <akrosi> > What if you do
> ```
> openssl s_client -starttls xmpp-client -connect jwchat.org:5222
> ```
no peer certificate again
[17:14:26] <zeank> that's discrimination!
[17:14:37] <akrosi> ok, I know what it is
[17:14:48] <akrosi> my firewall rules are– OH, hold on, I might know what this is about
[17:15:00] <akrosi> if I disable my inbound firewall rules, STARTTLS works!

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[17:18:08] <akrosi> incredible
so apparently having very open dst-nat rules somehow mangles or blocks STARTTLS packets, I guess?

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[17:21:17] <akrosi> IT WORKS!!!!
[17:21:30] <akrosi> zeank: thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction with STARTTLS

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[17:22:03] <zeank> 🥳
[17:22:12] <zeank> Glad to hear it works! :)

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[19:36:13] <akrosi> ok, I should be connected from my own homserver now
[19:36:19] <akrosi> all seems well?

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[19:36:58] <zeank> 👍

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[19:57:12] <router> > <zeank> Probably some awesome security feature of your router 🫣
i have made a terrible naming blunder

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[19:59:37] <router> is it time to renick to `routеr` with a cyrillic e yet?

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[20:11:45] <router> back on-topic, i'm designing a XEP to complement 0320 for multiuser voicechat, while technically most of it, or all, could be done in bot code (i.e. call a bot named `mygroupvc@conference.jabber.org` 1o1, get presences for other members from bot, submit intents i.e. watch dedicated video stream to bot) i'd rather have bots be a fallback with voice MUCs being the canon
is a ejabberd module a good idea given the default mode would be "privileged bot impersonates MUC", or should i focus the actual interconnect (i.e. porting jitsi to xmpp-native), as any XEP-0320-capable client can participate and -XXXX-capable would have a full featureset that _isn't_ commands?
it's a stupid question but i'd rather make the roadmap concrete for myself

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[20:13:52] <router> back on-topic, i'm designing a XEP to complement 0320 for multiuser voicechat, while technically most of it, or all, could be done in bot code (i.e. call a bot named `mygroupvc@conference.jabber.org` 1o1, get presences for other members from bot, submit intents i.e. watch dedicated video stream to bot) i'd rather have bots be a fallback with voice MUCs being the canon
is a ejabberd module a good idea given the default mode would be "privileged bot impersonates MUC", or should i focus the actual interconnect (i.e. porting jitsi to xmpp-native), as any XEP-0320-capable client can participate and -XXXX-capable would have a full featureset that _isn't_ commands?
it's a stupid question but i'd rather make the roadmap concrete for myself - "should i start with a duplicit identity module"

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