ejabberd - Thursday, March 12, 2026

[07:17:15] <stratself> however, I run into a problem where the jwt expires quite early. I've noticed this in the logs quite often
```
[debug] rejecting expired jwt: 1773297398 > 1773293320
```

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[07:18:47] <stratself> this results in a 401 error from ejabberd, and so the push flow will fail after a period of inactivity

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[07:20:20] <stratself> my question would be twofold:
- will this jwt deadline be extended whenever a new push happens? and
- can the jwt timeout be set to higher, or even unlimited?

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[07:21:25] <Licaon_Kter> stratself: does it work directly or through some other centralized gateway? Ref https://social.tchncs.de/@ludman1/116194009634871460

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[07:22:50] <stratself> Licaon_Kter, I'm selfhosting my own Matrix gateway via common-proxies
https://codeberg.org/UnifiedPush/common-proxies/

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[07:23:13] <stratself> matrix push gateway*

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[07:26:22] <stratself> the entire flow is continuwuity(matrix homeserver) > common-proxies > mod_unified_push > Conversations
I believe to set up this flow, Conversations has to register a push target in-band first

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[07:29:42] <stratself> the entire flow is continuwuity(matrix homeserver) > common-proxies > mod_unified_push > Conversations > Element X(matrix client)
I believe to set up this flow, Conversations has to register a push target in-band first

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[07:31:05] <Licaon_Kter> Does Element show the UP status?
[07:31:20] <stratself> yes, all Element X tests passed

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[07:32:21] <stratself> I tried registering against a UP-Example, and found the following in the debug logs:
```
[debug] jwt verify at system timestamp 1773300463: %{
  "a" => "long-random-string",
  "e" => 1773301343,
  "i" => "long-random-string",
  "o" => "stratself@server/resource"
} - {:jose_jws, {:jose_jws_alg_hmac, :HS256}, :undefined, %{"typ" => "JWT"}}
```
the `e` field is expiration, this translates to roughly 15 minutes
[07:33:27] <stratself> with this in mind and looking at the code, I believe the expiration is hardcoded to such a number
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/blob/master/mod_unified_push/src/mod_unified_push.erl#L251

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[07:35:47] <stratself> i believe this low-expiration value makes it untenable to maintain the push target after a while

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[07:40:04] <stratself> therefore, i'd like to kindly ask: could this jwt expiration value be customizable? it would help a lot for persistent targets like android apps and the like
let me know if you wanna open a github issue for this
[07:40:10] <stratself> cc badlop

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[07:57:12] <stratself> okay, looks like I went ahead of myself 😅
i've managed to successfully set the expiration to something higher, simply with this additional line
```yaml
modules:
  mod_unified_push:
    push_url: "https://example.com:443/up"
    expiration: 86400
```
thanks all for now

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[07:59:28] <zeank> Yeah, what you were looking at is the default value.

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[11:28:19] <ksa> It would be good if xmpp had polling support. I wanted to poll the members of this muc on What database they run.

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[11:37:00] <zoidberg> I've heard rumors that M ickaël might invent a XEP for that, and also implement on Fluux.
[11:37:23] <zoidberg> But only time will tell if it will become a reality.
[11:37:41] <ksa> On that, fluux doesn't encrypt?
[11:38:06] <zoidberg> _not yet_ no.
[11:38:18] <ksa> I sent a chat to one of my contact and the msg wasn't encrypted
[11:39:18] <zoidberg> Well its encrypted with tls so if you are the server owner its not that bad, but yes E2E encryption is a must these days.

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[11:39:27] <ksa> > _not yet_ no.
seems like that should've been the first feature they should've implemented

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[11:42:34] <divya> > That’s a purely client-side feature, there’s no module directly related to that.
I was told apparently there is consensus against having messages be always accessible to editing, is that the case? Apparently XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction) is the one that
[11:42:50] <divya> > That’s a purely client-side feature, there’s no module directly related to that.
I was told apparently there is consensus against having messages be always accessible to editing, is that the case? Apparently XEP-0308 (Last Message Correction) is the one that's implemented by most clients and that's considered good enough.
[11:43:00] <divya> Though to be honest, sometimes you'd like to edit older messages.

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[14:05:01] <ksa> how to send a message to all of my registered users as a personal chat?
[14:05:15] <ksa> not only to the currently online users

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[14:10:06] <badlop> you are looking for something like announce_send_all, but sending "chat" instead of headline?

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[14:10:55] <zeank> There's also "message of the day" which might be what you want, ksa

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[14:11:47] <ksa> > you are looking for something like announce_send_all, but sending "chat" instead of headline?
yea, for example when telegram or whatsapp release a new feature and a new chat comes in for every user. Like that.
[14:12:15] <ksa> > There's also "message of the day" which might be what you want, ksa
Yup, closest thing with the features I want ig.

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[14:50:21] <ksa> How do I go about not letting automated spam bots create infinte accounts on my server? I'd prefer the easiest and most lightweight solution.

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[14:52:48] <moparisthebest> that's the million dollar question
[14:53:34] <zeank> > https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/self-hosted/ejabberd/#great-invitations could be a good start ;)
[14:53:48] <zeank> https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/self-hosted/ejabberd/#great-invitations could be a good start ;)

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[15:01:24] <ksa> what about rtbl? How do I implement it? I'm a bit lost
[15:01:52] <ksa> Seems like rtbl would be simpler if not better for UX. I can deal with UX later.

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[15:03:22] <zeank> That doesn't help you with signup, RTBL is lists of identified spammers. That's how you protect your server from the outside world mostly. But look into `mod_muc_rtbl` and `mod_antispam`. The first one is to protect your muc channels, the second one to protect from direct messages.
[15:03:34] <prefiks> rtbl will not help with that, as its lists existing account, and you will not able to use that info for newly created one

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[15:05:50] <zeank> See https://xmppbl.org
[15:06:47] <ksa> > That doesn't help you with signup, RTBL is lists of identified spammers. That's how you protect your server from the outside world mostly. But look into `mod_muc_rtbl` and `mod_antispam`. The first one is to protect your muc channels, the second one to protect from direct messages.
Do i just write 'mod_muc_rtbl' & 'mod_antispam' in my ejabberd.yml config file? Please, can you provide how to insert this in the config file.

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[15:07:14] <ksa> > That doesn't help you with signup, RTBL is lists of identified spammers. That's how you protect your server from the outside world mostly. But look into `mod_muc_rtbl` and `mod_antispam`. The first one is to protect your muc channels, the second one to protect from direct messages.
I hadn't thought about that but it's good to implement this anyway.
[15:07:24] <ksa> > rtbl will not help with that, as its lists existing account, and you will not able to use that info for newly created one
omfg im dumb
[15:07:51] <zeank> See
> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_antispam
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> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_muc_rtbl
[15:07:58] <ksa> > https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/self-hosted/ejabberd/#great-invitations could be a good start ;)
>
What's better? CAPTCHA or this method?
[15:08:57] <zeank> Captcha is not really much of a protection and just adds bad UX - the good ones are deterred, the bad ones don't really care

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[15:09:59] <ksa> hmmmm ok, and ig most clients don't support captcha, right? Redirecting to browser everytime is surely bad UX

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[15:10:13] <ksa> very annoying

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[15:13:22] <moparisthebest> the problem with captcha in current decade is it's easier for automated bots to pass than for humans

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[15:14:51] <zoidberg> > the problem with captcha in current decade is it's easier for automated bots to pass than for humans
So true. I suffer with that crap, specially google ones, but hey youtube is full of bots... great job keeping humans out.

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[15:16:05] <zoidberg> They say select all motorcycles, and keep thinking does the driver + helmet count or not? Never pass the test.

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[15:17:16] <zoidberg> They say select all motorcycles, and i keep thinking does the pilot + helmet count or not? Never pass the test.

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[15:19:43] <zeank> ksa, be sure to have a contact address published and easy to find for your service, for instance how it's advised here: https://xmppbl.org/reports
This way people can contact you in case there are problems with people who signed up through your service and be able to report them as spammers.

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[15:20:46] <zeank> ksa, this here is also general good advise on how to operate your own public server: https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/service/public/

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[15:23:28] <zeank> There's also a guide on how to *use* the invite system: https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/service/great_invitations/

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[15:50:00] <ksa> https://avesdrop.com:5443/upload/3d358a32d9e5f95da236b8585d3259020ab4632e/gGt3XgWsOnmDe1V4jZOdVrQyB6nObICxh5tgWoQr/a2877c95-69c6-421a-8fb1-20fc855e2ded.png

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[15:54:32] <ksa> > https://avesdrop.com:5443/upload/3d358a32d9e5f95da236b8585d3259020ab4632e/gGt3XgWsOnmDe1V4jZOdVrQyB6nObICxh5tgWoQr/a2877c95-69c6-421a-8fb1-20fc855e2ded.png
How do I implement this, there ain't no example config given like 'mod_antispam'

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[15:55:34] <ksa> I followed this for mod_antispam: modules:
  mod_antispam:
    rtbl_services:
      - xmppbl.org
    spam_jids_file: "@CONFIG_PATH@/spam_jids.txt"
    spam_dump_file: "@LOG_PATH@/spam/host-@HOST@.log"
Is there a similar example for mod_muc_rtbl?
[15:55:39] <Kris> you just add it to the enabled modules

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[15:55:45] <Kris> the defaults are fine for now
[15:56:31] <ksa> just write mod_muc_rtbl under modules: ?

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[15:56:58] <zeank> `mod_muc_rtbl: {}`
[15:57:24] <ksa> *mod_muc_rtbl:

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[15:58:16] <ksa> ok thx
[15:58:24] <zeank> Be aware, this is only relevant if you‘re hosting public muc channels
[15:59:10] <ksa> if I'm not?

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[15:59:20] <ksa> at best its gonna sit there right?
[15:59:32] <ksa> not mess with anything else?

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[16:01:19] <zeank> Yes
[16:01:42] <ksa> thank you so much, your beware scared me a bit lamo

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[16:13:06] <zeank> Sorry 😅

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