ejabberd - Tuesday, November 3, 2026

[08:55:57] <Kris> And one more question about clustering. Do all nodes have to be publically accessible? Could you run some private ones to just load balance component services off them, or do the clients need to actively connect to the node for the component service connected to the node to be used?

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[08:57:14] <Kris> I am trying to load balance some rather resource heavy components, but for the main xmpp server a single accessible node would be sufficient.

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[10:06:47] <Kris> Are my messages coming through or is it just unusually quiet here?
[10:07:35] <zeank> *pong*

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[10:13:34] <sezuan> > Also: would a latency of 20 to 50 ms between cluster nodes cause problems?
I tried ejabberd cluster about 10 years ago. That was a cross datacenter setup. It was very unreliable, probably due to the fact that I had all data in mnesia and mnesia recovers poorly (not at all?) from splits/connection issues.

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[10:16:58] <Kris> >> Also: would a latency of 20 to 50 ms between cluster nodes cause problems?
> I tried ejabberd cluster about 10 years ago. That was a cross datacenter setup. It was very unreliable, probably due to the fact that I had all data in mnesia and mnesia recovers poorly (not at all?) from splits/connection issues.
I would be mostly using postgres, but I think mnesia is required for some of the cluster stuff.

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[10:18:16] <Kris> If I can avoid the cluster stuff and still load balance components that would be of course preferrable, but the documrntation makes it sound that this is a feature/side effect of clustering.

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[10:58:23] <sezuan> > Do all nodes have to be publically accessible?
I don't think so. I guess an approach would be to have a normal ejabberd node and stripped down ejabberd nodes with the purpose to be connected by the components you want to loadbalance.

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[12:04:52] <Kris> Yes I was thinking the same, but it migth just complicate things over a single node setup.

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[12:06:01] <Kris> And I suspect the component connection is more resilient to latency as well.

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[12:31:11] <marko.cupac> Is there a way to provide channel binding when ejabberd is behind haproxy?
[12:31:42] <marko.cupac> I'm not terminating ssl on haproxy, just tcp relaying.

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[12:33:00] <Holger> In that case it's not clear to me how HAproxy would affect channel binding?

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[12:47:13] <marko.cupac> Well I have no idea where to start looking or what affects it. My son's conversations quit authenticating at one point, complained about channel binding. I compared my settings and noticed he had channel binding enabled. I wouldn't want my clients think I'm MITMing them and would like to provide them the ability to have this option on. Where should I look? Conversations, haproxy or ejabberd?

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[12:49:15] <marko.cupac> All my ejabberd users are in ldap (samba ad).

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[12:49:27] <Holger> marko.cupac: ejabberd offers channel binding if it (a) terminates TLS and (b) has access to the SCRAM-hashed or plaintext password (i.e., SQL or Mnesia auth, as opposed to LDAP/extauth).

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[12:50:25] <marko.cupac> Oh, ok. So no channel binding with LDAP.
[12:50:43] <Holger> marko.cupac: Right. Conversations insists on channel binding since a recent update, must be disabled in the client settings.
[12:50:59] <Holger> (Yes, great fun.)
[12:50:59] <marko.cupac> Thanks! 👍

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[13:30:24] <Kris> The prosody blog has a good explanation.

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[13:32:56] <Holger> Yup: https://blog.prosody.im/channel-binding/

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[13:55:15] <stratself> what would i need to have ejabberd hook up to my ldap server and have channel bindings preserved?

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[13:55:40] <moparisthebest> impossible
[13:55:42] <stratself> i would need ejabberd to support passing through that feature, and also find a compatible ldap server, correct?

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[13:56:09] <stratself> isnt there ldap scram or something?

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[13:57:07] <moparisthebest> and already have password hashes stored a particular less secure way that was deprecated 20+ years ago

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[13:58:25] <stratself> what does that mean?

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[13:59:35] <moparisthebest> there's a new draft adding scram and therefore channel binding support for modern password hashes https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bouchez-scram-mcf/
prosody has an experimental module to support it, obviously no clients do yet

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[14:02:10] <moparisthebest> > what does that mean?
current SCRAM methods require passwords stored with PBKDF2+sha, which was replaced in 2005 with bcrypt and 2010 with scrypt and 2015 with argon2

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[14:02:49] <stratself> so you're saying i should look into that direction of the new draft rather than RFC5803, right?

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[14:05:31] <moparisthebest> I'm saying channel binding with ldap is only possible now if all your software has support (probably not) AND your existing password hashes are stored this one ancient way (probably not)

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[14:06:07] <moparisthebest> and that it might get better in the future but likely not for some years

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[14:12:43] <stratself> > I'm saying channel binding with ldap is only possible now if all your software has support (probably not) AND your existing password hashes are stored this one ancient way (probably not)
ah okay,
so are there any LDAP servers that currently support this? including the pbkdf2+sha storage format?

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[14:18:47] <moparisthebest> I suspect openldap supports everything, but I would not wish that on my worst enemy, good luck 🙃

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