ejabberd - Tuesday, March 17, 2026

ejabberd

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[00:02:03] <Holger> Layman's Vaultwarden is the Apple/Google cloud, passkeys are typically synced there just like passwords, so in practice, the former are no more or less device-tied than the latter.
Anyway my utterly deranged point was really just that going to great lengths to cope with users choosing bad passwords, and keep noticing they're still not great enough, might not end up being the greatest idea in the history of securing credentials.

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[00:19:42] <ksa> Does conversations have a spammer problem? I ask because they have in band registration enabled.

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[00:35:28] <Kris> sometimes

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[00:36:27] <ksa> How did they avoid being on the xmppbl list?
[00:37:49] <moparisthebest> the admins proactively monitor it and promptly respond to abuse reports
[00:38:16] <ksa> Oh, makes sense

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[07:34:28] <zeank> For smaller instances it might also make sense to configure registration watchers, so you get notified if a new account is being created.

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[07:36:31] <stratself> how easy it is, do you all think, to tune Ejabberd for an easy install experience like what Snikket did to Prosody?

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[07:40:25] <zeank> I’ve been thinking about this for a couple days. It’s sort of „easy“ - maybe even easier than doing it with prosody.
That lead me to an idea of creating a configurator, that takes a very reduced set of configuration parameters and spits out a functioning configuration that aims at small instances but provides maximum compatibility with modern clients (100% compliance suite rating). This configurator could generate configurations for both, ejabberd and prosody. Sort of a middle ground between running snikket and do everything on your own. Goal is to remove all the noise and pitfalls from the default configuration.
[07:41:02] <zeank> Maybe (on demand) also creates a configuration for Nginx
[07:41:49] <rom1dep> stratself: I think the point of ejabberd is that it comes with sane "batteries included" defaults so there isn't much or anything to configure. That's been my experience since 2015 give or take.

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[07:45:15] <zeank> You still need to know where to look and change things in the default config it comes with (apart from the default config needing some more polish). For people new to the ecosystem this might be quite a challenge. No one wants to read through pages of documentation first.
[07:45:24] <stratself> > I’ve been thinking about this for a couple days. It’s sort of „easy“ - maybe even easier than doing it with prosody.
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> That lead me to an idea of creating a configurator, that takes a very reduced set of configuration parameters and spits out a functioning configuration that aims at small instances but provides maximum compatibility with modern clients (100% compliance suite rating). This configurator could generate configurations for both, ejabberd and prosody. Sort of a middle ground between running snikket and do everything on your own. Goal is to remove all the noise and pitfalls from the default configuration.
i agree with the goal. ejabberd's example config do have some outdated/insecure defaults, and it could be nice to tune the instance further to match with the IM use case
if it were to me, i'd just do a bash + docker-compose where one could just enter a domain and let it take shape from there

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[07:46:37] <stratself> > stratself: I think the point of ejabberd is that it comes with sane "batteries included" defaults so there isn't much or anything to configure. That's been my experience since 2015 give or take.
yeah. one doesnt need an external coturn for calls or anything. Plus the modules are quite aplenty
[07:46:37] <zeank> I’d rather not want to use docker. That could be a differentiating factor. Allow to use whatever your distribution comes with. And adapt the configuration accordingly.
[07:47:03] <zeank> Otherwise you’re just recreating snikket - so why not just use snikket? What’s inside the container shouldn’t matter to you.

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[07:50:38] <stratself> > I’d rather not want to use docker. That could be a differentiating factor. Allow to use whatever your distribution comes with. And adapt the configuration accordingly.
my initial thought was to recreate snikket-like stuff with ejabberd, since a lot of people i know are already familiar with docker/deploying with docker. So yeah
but since ejabberd is basically just one executable that comes with all features, I'd say it's easier to do what you said than prosody

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[07:52:53] <stratself> > For smaller instances it might also make sense to configure registration watchers, so you get notified if a new account is being created.
by the way, whats the best way to do this on ejabberd? is there a hook that posts to a room whenever a new account is registered?
[07:53:19] <stratself> notifying when someone password resets would be nice too
[07:54:03] <zeank> There’s `registration_watchers` in `mod_register`: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_register
A list of JIDs.

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[08:24:36] <zeank> Thoughts? Holger? Badlop? Anyone?
Add more?
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4550

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[09:01:35] <Holger> zeank: I think you'd use `auth_stored_password_types` to specify multiple algos:
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/toplevel/#auth_stored_password_types

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[09:01:45] <Holger> Otherwise, LGTM.

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[09:03:55] <zeank> > zeank: I think you'd use `auth_stored_password_types` to specify multiple algos:
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> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/toplevel/#auth_stored_password_types
like this?

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[09:04:13] <zeank> > zeank: I think you'd use `auth_stored_password_types` to specify multiple algos:
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> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/toplevel/#auth_stored_password_types
like this?
```
auth_stored_password_types: [scram_sha1, scram_sha256, scram_sha512]
```

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[09:28:38] <Holger> Yes (or a dashed list).

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[09:31:16] <Holger> `auth_password_format` can be omitted then.

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[09:35:36] <zeank> Added more detailed explanation to educate about our choices (yesterday's discussion):
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4550/changes/5cf1acefb0f2bb2ea1cc348089d117353c76906c

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[09:37:11] <zeank> Added some more examples in the PR, especially one for the 'admin' ACL that is being referred to at various places but doesn't exist.

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[09:56:13] <Holger> Matter of taste, I mean we ended up with the current minimalistic state after being unhappy with an old endless example config with tons of explanations. I know today's admins don't read docs but personally I still see value in keeping the example config short and having admins ask ChatGPT instead.

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[10:12:28] <zeank> If we tell people to use ChatGPT etc for stuff like this, most of them won‘t be able to afford running their own server soon. All ethical and ecological problems aside. But I guess that‘s a different discussion than what the config file should look like.
I‘d rather not have to answer the same questions over and over, be it here or through other means.

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[10:16:05] <zeank> *but still rather have personal interaction than relying on the fortune teller.

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[10:20:45] <zeank> Or in other words, if the choice is between encouraging the use of LLMs or asking me in person, I‘m 100% sold on the second option. But I‘d of course strive for keeping this to a minimum.

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[10:25:25] <stratself> what do you think about changing `s2s_use_starttls: optional` to `required` or `true`

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[10:27:13] <zeank> I have that on my personal server and never had any issues with that. 🤷‍♂️
[10:27:14] <stratself> plus, do you have a full config file with all options? some projects do inline explanations and I found that very neat (as opposed to bawling my eyes out at the docs' pages to make sure I didnt get myself into any footguns

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[10:30:18] <stratself> also on line 18, `hosts: - localhost` could be changed to match domain.tld. With an additional comment saying change this to your desired domain or something

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[10:44:14] <ChatLux> > Guys, can I set a higher limit for mod_http_upload for specific users? like 100 mb for everyone but like 500 mb for selected accounts?
ksa: ACL are done for this purpose

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[10:46:20] <Holger> zeank: Me mentioning ChatGPT was sarcasm. I tell people to read docs if they ask for documentation, and don't like duplicating docs in config files (above very short hints). I think our old config file, which did just that, was unusable and think the new one is way better in several ways.
[10:46:28] <Holger> But I'm not the boss 🙂

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[10:47:53] <Holger> > what do you think about changing `s2s_use_starttls: optional` to `required` or `true`
I think that makes sense but maybe we should change the default in the code and remove the option from the example config file. I had the same idea for at least one of zeank's other changes.

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[10:51:11] <Holger> > plus, do you have a full config file with all options? some projects do inline explanations and I found that very neat
As I said I hate that wholeheartedly for several reasons. But obviously we could maintain a separate one. But I'll pay you ten if we manage to keep the defaults and new options in sync, and the docs with those duplicated docs for longer than 12 months.
[10:51:24] <Holger> Other projects that do this stuff don't.
[10:51:44] <Holger> *ten beers.

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[10:53:15] <Holger> > I‘d rather not have to answer the same questions over and over, be it here or through other means.
That's precisely my reasoning. Answer questions once. In the docs.

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[10:53:59] <Holger> If people continue asking questions that are well-answered in the docs, we can simply respond with a link.

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[10:54:34] <Holger> Rather than "oh if you happen to use the upstream example config you could use your editor to search for $string".

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[10:55:09] <ChatLux> > max_days is global, so you wouldn't be able to do it, limits use acl, size limits are access rules so you should be able to do that
prefiks: Hi prefiks, when you mention "max_days" is global, do you mean global for a vhost or global for all the vhost hosted on a single server or single cluster ?
In one word, if " max_days " is defined into an " append config file " does "max_days" value differ from vhost1 to vhost2 definition or not ?
Thank you in advance for your light. Have a nice day.
[10:57:21] <prefiks> global as not configurable per user, but i am pretty sure you can set that per vhost (ussing host_config).

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[11:01:20] <Holger> Yup.
[11:01:25] <ChatLux> prefiks: thank you it make sense. Have a nice day.

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[11:34:48] <Kris> > Added some more examples in the PR, especially one for the 'admin' ACL that is being referred to at various places but doesn't exist.
👍

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[11:55:19] <zeank> Yeah, ideally we give defaults an overhaul and make the overall config shorter (and have the rest in the docs section). Absolutely agree.

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[16:05:33] <ksa> Guys, can I delete any of the existing files any user may have uploaded to my server using mod_http_upload?

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[16:17:36] <ksa> I've set a new parameter for max days a file should remain on my server. Now, just to start with a clean slate i wanna delete any files stored on the server from any user. Even the deleted users.
[16:19:28] <Holger> Sure; recipients will obviously run into an error message if trying to access shared files, but other than that, there's no issue with just deleting those files.
[16:19:54] <Holger> max_days would delete any older files anyway.

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[16:20:12] <Holger> And deleting accounts should delete their uploads.

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[17:47:21] <ksa> > max_days would delete any older files anyway.
Wow, Ejabberd is awesome! That means that if I've been running a server for 6 months and then I set up max_days, it's gonna consider those 6 months as well. Not just from when it (max_days) was implemented.

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[17:47:45] <ksa> Holger, Thanks for the great info

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[17:50:30] <Holger> >> max_days would delete any older files anyway.
> Wow, Ejabberd is awesome! That means that if I've been running a server for 6 months and then I set up max_days, it's gonna consider those 6 months as well. Not just from when it (max_days) was implemented.
Yes.

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[17:56:45] <Licaon_Kter> The longer you run it, the more #EJBRD tokens you win

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[18:01:30] <ksa> What does the option default do in mod_mam? Only store texts? No gifs, vids, images aka media?
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/?h=days#mod_mam
One more thing!
Also, if I go into Ejabberd web admin rn, I see some users' MAM archives show me 4000 or 5000. That means their messages are stored in encrypted format since their accounts were created. But docs mention that the default behavior of 'default' is to never store MAM. What's going on?
I've had the 'default' set to always from the get go. I used the .deb package.
That means the docs are saying it's never out of the box but it really is always.

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[18:07:19] <Licaon_Kter> Users set MAM for their own accounts. You can set defaults, true, but they control it.

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[18:10:54] <ksa> > The longer you run it, the more #EJBRD tokens you win
I don't get the joke lol

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[18:22:25] <Licaon_Kter> You'lL understand once you get your first %holgers (fyi 100000000 %holgers = 1 #EJBRD)
[18:22:30] <Licaon_Kter> You'll understand once you get your first %holgers (fyi 100000000 %holgers = 1 #EJBRD)
[18:23:04] <ksa> pls explain, is this something that ruins servers?

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