ejabberd - Sunday, February 8, 2026

[02:24:45] <zoidberg> >> I meant i send and receive encrypted files(pgp, using Conversations)
> what about dino/gajim?
IIRC Gajim can do too, never tried pgp with Dino(AFAIK Dino dont do pgp).

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[02:30:49] <zoidberg> >> I meant i send and receive encrypted files(pgp, using Conversations)
> what about dino/gajim?
IIRC Gajim can do too, never tried pgp with Dino.

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[10:39:13] <vlad> > >> I meant i send and receive encrypted files(pgp, using Conversations)
> > what about dino/gajim?
> IIRC Gajim can do too, never tried pgp with Dino.
i tried it with gajim a while ago, didn't work
[10:39:34] <vlad> i assumed that openpgp just can't do files

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[10:42:44] <Holger> Works fine with Dino.

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[10:53:58] <vlad> i'll test it

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[11:59:26] <ff> Hello. I have recently upgraded from ejabberd 24.12-debian to 26.01-process1, and now on every start I see error related to Hats and MUC:
`Failed to transform Mnesia table muc_room`
> https://gist.github.com/ff0255/829fd2c4f8bbb6dea2705ed90131d01a
But after that everything including this MUC is working OK.
It's a small private server (<10 users), mnesia db (<20Mb, cleaning every week), standard MUC config, did not enable Hats. The strange thing it's only complains on one MUC, others are fine.
Should I fill a bug or it's something wrong on my side?

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[12:05:41] <Licaon_Kter> Did you follow the upgrade steps if any? See docs.ejabberd.im

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[12:08:43] <ff> > Did you follow the upgrade steps if any? See docs.ejabberd.im
Well.. I read it, but for mnesia db wasn't any, so did nothing

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[12:24:36] <zeank> It’s clearly a bug

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[12:24:45] <Licaon_Kter> ff: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4516 ?
[12:25:30] <zeank> That’s just another one ;)

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[12:27:23] <zeank> If a module with Mnesia backend boots up it checks whether the underlying record definitions have changed and if so triggers a transform function. That’s where it crashes. So even if your room seems to be working there’s probably some data corruption. But I know nothing about the MUC implementation, so can’t tell how big of an issue that is.

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[12:30:55] <ff> > ff: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4516 ?
I didn't try to enable hats, so can't tell

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[12:33:49] <ff> > That’s just another one ;)
Oh, thanks for info👍
I'll fill a bugreport...if it's not fixed by 4516

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[12:42:14] <ff> And may I ask one question about `mod_invites` :)
Am I understanding it right, mod_invites only supports `xmpp:URI` invitations, but not `Magic link` to install from app-store?

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[12:43:04] <zeank> It also uses magic links if you also install the landing page it comes with

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[12:43:51] <zeank> It also uses magic links if you also configure the landing page it comes with
[12:44:16] <zeank> It uses magic links if you also configure the landing page it comes with

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[12:46:29] <zeank> We changed the behavior a bit from how it’s in prosody. If you pick Conversations for instance, you will still be redirected to an install page with instructions rather than just triggering the magic link. According to Daniel those magic links tend to fail and then folks we be left with a dead end on the page.
[12:46:49] <zeank> We changed the behavior a bit from how it’s in prosody. If you pick Conversations for instance, you will still be redirected to an install page with instructions rather than just triggering the magic link. According to Daniel those magic links tend to fail and then folks would be left with a dead end on the page.

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[12:58:26] <ff> > It uses magic links if you also configure the landing page it comes with
Ah, that's good news. I'll try to setup own landing page then, instead of joinjabber's
Thank you and Licaon :)

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[13:08:11] <Kris> We will update the invite.joinjabber.org page with it soon I guess.

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[13:18:24] <vlad> i saw that XMPP can be usd for unified push, but how exactly does that even work? how do i send push notifications to an XMPP user specifically, or what would i configure to test this?

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[13:22:21] <Holger> vlad, you can't do that (hopefully).
There's this Unified Push server:
https://codeberg.org/iNPUTmice/up
That one uses the XMPP connection Conversations attempts to keep up 24/7 for push notifications to other apps. You can either stick to the default UP instance (up.conversations.im) or set up your own and point Conversations to that one in the app settings.

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[13:23:12] <vlad> i mean i'm running my own ejabberd server, and i want to experiment with it for family members who have smartphones

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[13:23:36] <Holger> If you want an app to actually use it (e.g., the Mastodon app "Tusky"), you'll have to point it to up.conversations.im or your own instance so that your Mastodon server triggers notifications on that instance.
[13:23:44] <Licaon_Kter> vlad: Conversations will be your UnifiedPuh distributor for your other apps...not for xmpp
[13:23:51] <Licaon_Kter> vlad: Conversations will be your UnifiedPush distributor for your other apps...not for xmpp

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[13:23:52] <vlad> initially i thought that xmpp can just USE unified push, but after reading more it seems like XMPP (ejabberd specifically) can act as a push server on its own, for other things to use
[13:24:01] <Holger> Right.
[13:24:15] <vlad> > vlad: Conversations will be your UnifiedPush distributor for your other apps...not for xmpp
thats what i mean, how do i handle this, is there a non-stupid way to test that without a smartphone?
[13:24:47] <Holger> What's your actual goal? 🙂
[13:24:47] <vlad> how would i impersonate an android app for example, trying to send push notifications to ejabberd (and thus conversations)
[13:25:01] <vlad> > how would i impersonate an android app for example, trying to send push notifications to ejabberd (and thus conversations)
i.e. a matrix client
[13:25:26] <vlad> > If you want an app to actually use it (e.g., the Mastodon app "Tusky"), you'll have to point it to up.conversations.im or your own instance so that your Mastodon server triggers notifications on that instance.
i want this, but how do i actually test it without a phone

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[13:25:39] <vlad> i can't see through the docs, they are obscure
[13:25:41] <Holger> You cannot trigger notifications for apps that didn't actively subscribe to them.
[13:26:00] <Licaon_Kter> vlad: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.unifiedpush.example

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[13:26:22] <Holger> (Else you could make my phone ring, which would be bad.)
[13:26:22] <vlad> > vlad: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.unifiedpush.example
oh so i can just throw this into an android container and play around with it?
[13:26:25] <vlad> that's just what i needed, thank you!

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[13:26:31] <vlad> > (Else you could make my phone ring, which would be bad.)
oh i get it
[13:27:09] <vlad> wait when was UP introduced in ejabberd again? (what version)
[13:27:17] <vlad> im running 25.04
[13:27:22] <Holger> It's not part of ejabberd.
[13:27:40] <vlad> > It's not part of ejabberd.
its external?
[13:27:43] <Licaon_Kter> There's a contrib module or a component

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[13:27:55] <vlad> well i remember it only working starting from a specific version
[13:28:10] <vlad> i recently migrated my server to a new domain, new OS setup, and all that (gentoo)

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[13:28:14] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_unified_push
[13:28:25] <vlad> > https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_unified_push
thanks

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[13:28:27] <Licaon_Kter> Or https://codeberg.org/iNPUTmice/up

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[13:28:46] <vlad> i guess i have to update, even if later versions are still marked as unstable

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[13:29:45] <Holger> But note that only relatively geeky clients support UP, so whether or not it can be useful for your family members obviously depends on whether they use one of those apps.
[13:29:51] <Holger> But yes that does include some Matrix clients.

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[13:30:14] <Licaon_Kter> Or Fedi clients

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[13:30:48] <Licaon_Kter> Or FossWarn
[13:31:01] <vlad> > But note that only relatively geeky clients support UP, so whether or not it can be useful for your family members obviously depends on whether they use one of those apps.
i already bullied pretty much all of them to use XMPP and matrix, plus i just want it to work in case they absolutely do need it, because i also bullied them into removing google malware from their cellphones (so push notifications for all the proprietary things are pretty much broken)

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[13:31:37] <vlad> personally i used to use ntfy to send messages to people, like using a pager

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[13:32:17] <vlad> so instead of an ntfy client you need an xmpp client for that now?
[13:32:47] <Holger> If WhatsApp + Twitter don't notify (reliably) on your family's phones, but Conversations + Tusky do, then you did a good job :D
[13:33:08] <Holger> vlad: There's several ways to use Unified Push, Conversations is just one of them.
[13:33:30] <vlad> > If WhatsApp + Twitter don't notify (reliably) on your family's phones, but Conversations + Tusky do, then you did a good job :D
thats the goal
[13:33:42] <Holger> Heh.
[13:33:46] <Holger> https://unifiedpush.org/users/distributors/

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[13:34:20] <vlad> there are GNU/Linux clients too?
[13:34:23] <vlad> even better

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[13:34:34] <Holger> For mobile Linux phones?

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[13:35:02] <vlad> yes, and desktop
[13:35:13] <Holger> On desktop you typically don't need push notifications since desktop clients just maintain a persistent TCP connection. (Except maybe browser clients.)
[13:35:38] <vlad> if i keep them running that is, which i can't really do with gajim because it starts having race condition issues after 10 minutes
[13:35:54] <vlad> (plus i have a potato, it wastes 30% cpu usage)

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[13:35:57] <Holger> I think Daniel mentioned mobile Linux support during his FOSDEM talk last week-end but my brain is non-existent.
[13:36:10] <vlad> i might look into that
[13:36:42] <Holger> That Gajim thing sounds like broken-ness for which push does not sound like the correct fix.
[13:37:16] <vlad> gajim IS broken
[13:37:30] <Holger> Every software is.
[13:37:30] <vlad> but so is dino

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[13:37:48] <vlad> > Every software is.
actually, the only reason why i use matrix at all is https://git.dec05eba.com/QuickMedia
[13:37:51] <Kris> > It's not part of ejabberd.
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_unified_push
[13:38:00] <vlad> matrix has 1 or 2 good clients, xmpp has 0 on desktop

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[13:39:12] <Holger> Since we're in a ProcessOne channel, tried <https://github.com/processone/fluux-messenger>? :D
[13:39:39] <Holger> That said Gajim and Dino do work for me, modulo minor issues here and there.

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[13:40:51] <vlad> you have a super computer compared to my machine
[13:41:36] <vlad> > Since we're in a ProcessOne channel, tried <https://github.com/processone/fluux-messenger>? :D
havent tried that yet, does it require a web browser/js engine or can it run natively?
[13:41:36] <Kris> Have you tried Movim in the browser? Work nicely on desktop and is low resource use.
[13:41:41] <Holger> I keep wanting to install new Matrix clients to stay in contact with my one-and-a-half Matrix people but then I run into that key migration pop-up hell and give up.

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[13:41:54] <vlad> > Have you tried Movim in the browser? Work nicely on desktop and is low resource use.
i don't want to try it because i know javascript is gonna be worse than the most buggy gajim version
[13:41:58] <ludo> Hi there! After postponing this task for several years, I would like to migrate my existing ejabberd installation (Debian 13 + PostgreSQL) from the Debian repository to the ProcessOne Debian repository. Is there anything I should be aware of? I read the documentation at https://repo.process-one.net/ but found no information about migration procedures.

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[13:42:05] <vlad> > I keep wanting to install new Matrix clients to stay in contact with my one-and-a-half Matrix people but then I run into that key migration pop-up hell and give up.
thats why i dont use omemo
[13:42:06] <Kris> But hopefully Kaidan will have MUC support soon.
[13:42:09] <vlad> > I keep wanting to install new Matrix clients to stay in contact with my one-and-a-half Matrix people but then I run into that key migration pop-up hell and give up.
thats why i dont use olm
[13:42:10] <Holger> vlad: Positive thinking :-)

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[13:42:56] <Kris> >> Have you tried Movim in the browser? Work nicely on desktop and is low resource use.
> i don't want to try it because i know javascript is gonna be worse than the most buggy gajim version
No, because most of Movim runs in php on the server. Quite light on javascript.

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[13:43:33] <vlad> https://upload.xmpp.earth:5281/file_share/019c3d7e-4c55-7f63-bd4c-37121289cfb1/xmpp%20experience.png
[13:43:40] <Holger> ludo: Most notably the file system layout is different, the upstream packages install the software below /opt/ejabberd-$version and configuration/data/logs below /opt/ejabberd. So you want to copy over at least the configuration directory.
[13:43:43] <vlad> omemo isn't much better than olm though...

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[13:44:12] <Holger> At least the real-world clients make it easier for me to ignore verification foo.
[13:44:12] <vlad> > No, because most of Movim runs in php on the server. Quite light on javascript.
oh really?
[13:44:16] <vlad> i might actually try it then

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[13:44:32] <vlad> > At least the real-world clients make it easier for me to ignore verification foo.
even on matrix i use pgp, despite it not even being a real standard
[13:44:48] <Kris> ludo: mostly that the ejabberd repo puts config etc. in /opt/ejabberd and not /etc/ejabberd.
[13:45:03] <vlad> just hack inline pgp into your client and auto encrypt to keys of people with their mxid in email format (i.e. @foo:home.server -> foo@home.server)

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[13:45:55] <vlad> > just hack inline pgp into your client and auto encrypt to keys of people with their mxid in email format (i.e. @foo:home.server -> foo@home.server)
it works way better than any desktop-GNU/Linux xmpp client with omemo
[13:46:00] <vlad> except no files :(
[13:46:29] <vlad> btw, do i need full-xml for anything in ejabberd?

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[13:46:39] <Holger> I kinda get the impression you're not a fan of desktop-"GNU/Linux" XMPP clients.
[13:46:40] <vlad> could omemo files break just because i lack that?

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[13:46:57] <vlad> > I kinda get the impression you're not a fan of desktop-"GNU/Linux" XMPP clients.
true, all of them are broken in at least 3 different ways
[13:47:07] <ludo> @Kris @Holger ok, thanks!
I do have have some files in-use in /var/lib/ejabberd, don’t know if I need to migrate them or they will be re-created by ejabberd?
```
% ls -lhtr /var/lib/ejabberd/ | tail -n 9
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd 2.2K Dec 19  2019 pubsub_state.DCD
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd 1.2M Feb  7 18:54 translations.cache
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd  37K Feb  7 18:59 schema.DAT
drwxr-xr-x 2 ejabberd ejabberd 4.0K Feb  7 18:59 certs
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd 7.2K Feb  7 19:02 pubsub_item_3.DAT
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd 6.1K Feb  7 19:02 roster_3.DAT
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd  21K Feb  8 14:44 mod_auth_fast.DAT
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd   94 Feb  8 14:44 LATEST.LOG
-rw-r--r-- 1 ejabberd ejabberd  155 Feb  8 14:44 DECISION_TAB.LOG
```
[13:47:07] <vlad> meanwhile mobile ones work perfectly fine, no matter which one you pick

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[13:47:22] <vlad> i guess it's a me-problem because i don't want to use cellphones

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[13:47:45] <Holger> vlad: If you're using SQL storage you can just ignore those, they will be recreated

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[13:48:06] <Holger> vlad: If you use Mnesia storage, you should copy them to /opt/ejabberd/database.
[13:48:11] <vlad> > vlad: If you're using SQL storage you can just ignore those, they will be recreated
oh okay
[13:48:11] <Holger> And then migrate to SQL storage.
[13:48:14] <vlad> i use postgresql

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[13:49:17] <Holger> In that case the only thing you'll really _need_ to do is copying over the config directory, and possibly updating one or two paths within the configuration (depending on your config).

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[13:49:45] <zoidberg> can flux do OMEMO/PGP +Video calls compatible with conversations?
[13:49:59] <Holger> I don't think so, it's like 6 weeks old :-)
[13:50:24] <Holger> But the basics already look at least as good as other clients that are 10+ years old.
[13:50:38] <Holger> At least that was my impression during my single multi-minute test.

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[13:51:37] <vlad> > I don't think so, it's like 6 weeks old :-)
my client just needs to do omemo, and especially proper omemo file uploads/downloads without hanging or having race conditions, calling/markdown/syntax highlighting/proper replies are just a nice bonus
[13:51:43] <zoidberg> but fluxx only do websockets right?

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[13:51:58] <zoidberg> Dont use the normal XMPP ports right?
[13:52:01] <ludo> @Holger thanks. I do use PostgreSQL, at the time I build the server I only kept mnesia for mod_auth_fast:
```
% grep -B7 mnesia /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
modules:
  mod_adhoc: {}
  mod_admin_extra: {}
  mod_announce:
    access: announce
  mod_auth_fast:
    # Module mod_auth_fast doesn't support database 'sql'
    db_type: mnesia
```
[13:52:02] <vlad> speaking of websockets, how do i even test if i set it up correctly?

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[13:53:06] <Mickaël> > zoidberg wrote:
> Dont use the normal XMPP ports right?
Yes, for now. I guess, we will have to do something about that soon. We have a PR for this but I did not review it yet
[13:53:54] <Holger> ludo: Ah right forgot about mod_auth_fast, that could be a reason to copy over /var/lib/ejabberd after all. Then again, nothing bad will happen if you don't. FAST auth will fail and clients will just login normally and retrieve new FAST tokens.

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[13:54:06] <Holger> We should really add SQL support to mod_auth_fast :-)
[13:54:27] <zoidberg> Mickaël: 👍 you gotta implement that to convince me to go to the dark side.
[13:54:45] <ludo> @Holger perfect! Thanks for helping 😊

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[13:56:44] <Holger> zoidberg: Dave just posted on the standards@ list that he Vibe-coded yet another desktop client. Seems it's the year of new clients.
[13:57:03] <Holger> https://github.com/dwd/Wimsy

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[13:59:14] <zoidberg> I just hope that these new clients will be maintained, and not only go to the long list of XMPP clients 😁

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[14:00:08] <Holger> Not so sure about Dave's, he mentioned something along the lines of "I don't know the code so I'm not really in the position to review patches" 😂
[14:00:21] <Holger> Great world we live in now.

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[14:01:59] <zoidberg> No OMEMO or PGP on Winsy(at least yet).

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[14:03:26] <Mickaël> :)

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[14:04:13] <Mickaël> > zoidberg wrote:
> I just hope that these new clients will be maintained, and not only go to the long list of XMPP clients 😁
Fluux Messenger is very important for us, so yes, we will keep building it

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[14:13:15] <Kris> > https://github.com/dwd/Wimsy
😲

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[14:15:02] <Kris> > Great world we live in now.
😢

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[14:44:31] <raver> >> zoidberg wrote:
>> I just hope that these new clients will be maintained, and not only go to the long list of XMPP clients 😁
> Fluux Messenger is very important for us, so yes, we will keep building it
❤️

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[16:28:47] <badlop> ff: i've updated an old ejabberd 24.xx up to git master and got that same error
Failed to transform Mnesia table muc_room:

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[18:17:23] <vlad> whats the difference between https://@HOST@ and https://@HOST_URL_ENCODE@ ?
[18:17:35] <vlad> new config has the latter one for some reason

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[20:03:18] <ff> > ff: i've updated an old ejabberd 24.xx up to git master and got that same error
> Failed to transform Mnesia table muc_room:
So you got all the info and I don't need to open an issue? (I'm still away from pc)

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