ejabberd - Saturday, March 21, 2026

[01:57:00] <ksa2> I gave the ejabberd user permissions also of the directory.
[01:57:57] <stratself> it isn't working? how?
[02:00:54] <ksa2> I get this error:

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[02:02:25] <ksa2> <0.701.0>) Failed to secure cas connection: TLS failed: unknown POSIX error: no certfile
[02:02:34] <ksa2> In ejabberd.log file
[02:05:27] <ksa2> Nothing about this is in the error.log file

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[02:17:25] <ksa2> And Conversations says TLS negotiation failed.
[02:17:44] <ksa2> > Hard to tell what’s wrong with your system from here. Anyway, you should have a file /opt/ejabberd-26.02/lib/ejabberd-26.2.0/priv/sql/pg.new.sql on your system, this is the one you want to import if you want to populate your schema by hand. This in case you are using the multi-host schema. Otherwise it is /opt/ejabberd-26.02/lib/ejabberd-26.2.0/priv/sql/pg.sql
I solved it! Thx for ur help

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[02:26:55] <ksa2> > I gave the ejabberd user permissions also of the directory.
I ran chown ejabberd:ejabberd *.pem in /etc/letsencrypt/live/avesdrop.com

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[03:39:46] <eltheanine_> I copy them to another dir via deploy script so I dont have to touch the originals, then chown the copies.
[03:40:18] <eltheanine_> ```
#!/bin/bash
DOMAIN=somestupid.quest
declare -a subdomains=("" "rooms." "proxy." "pubsub." "upload.")
for i in "${subdomains[@]}"; do
    cp /etc/letsencrypt/live/$i$DOMAIN/fullchain.pem /opt/ejabberd/certs/$i$DOMAIN
    cp /etc/letsencrypt/live/$i$DOMAIN/privkey.pem /opt/ejabberd/certs/$i$DOMAIN
    chown -R ejabberd:ejabberd /opt/ejabberd/certs
done
```
[03:40:38] <eltheanine_> ```
#!/bin/bash
DOMAIN=<your-domain>
declare -a subdomains=("" "rooms." "proxy." "pubsub." "upload.")
for i in "${subdomains[@]}"; do
    cp /etc/letsencrypt/live/$i$DOMAIN/fullchain.pem /opt/ejabberd/certs/$i$DOMAIN
    cp /etc/letsencrypt/live/$i$DOMAIN/privkey.pem /opt/ejabberd/certs/$i$DOMAIN
    chown -R ejabberd:ejabberd /opt/ejabberd/certs
done
```
[03:40:55] <eltheanine_> ```
#!/bin/bash
DOMAIN=<example.tld>
declare -a subdomains=("" "rooms." "proxy." "pubsub." "upload.")
for i in "${subdomains[@]}"; do
    cp /etc/letsencrypt/live/$i$DOMAIN/fullchain.pem /opt/ejabberd/certs/$i$DOMAIN
    cp /etc/letsencrypt/live/$i$DOMAIN/privkey.pem /opt/ejabberd/certs/$i$DOMAIN
    chown -R ejabberd:ejabberd /opt/ejabberd/certs
done
```

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[03:41:44] <eltheanine_> my notes here https://the.teabag.ninja/2026/03/14/installing-ejabberd/
There are better guides overall, but those bits are useful.

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[03:42:22] <eltheanine_> ```
certfiles:
- "/opt/ejabberd/certs/*/*.pem"
```
in ejabberd config then.

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[03:50:47] <eltheanine_> I don't know that taking ownership over the files in letencrypt dir is a good idea, depending what else is using them.

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[03:59:23] <ksa2> > I gave the ejabberd user permissions also of the directory.
I ran chown ejabberd:ejabberd *.pem in /etc/letsencrypt/live/avesdrop.com
Ok, how do I reverse this cmd?

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[04:00:37] <ksa2> > I gave the ejabberd user permissions also of the directory.
I ran chown ejabberd:ejabberd *.pem in /etc/letsencrypt/live/avesdrop.com
[04:00:53] <ksa2> >> I gave the ejabberd user permissions also of the directory.
> I ran chown ejabberd:ejabberd *.pem in /etc/letsencrypt/live/avesdrop.com
Okay how do I reverse this command
[04:00:57] <ksa2> ?

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[06:34:13] <ksa2> guys is there a tutorial from start to finish for mod_s3_upload?

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[06:40:17] <ksa2> I ain't exactly an AWS virtuoso.

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[07:13:01] <stratself> why do you want s3 uploads?

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[07:14:09] <ksa2> well, VPS storage is hella expensive
[07:14:36] <stratself> cant you mount a folder from your home storage
[07:14:50] <stratself> cant you mount a folder from your home storage?
[07:15:01] <ksa2> Yea but then my home internet ain't the most reliable
[07:15:50] <stratself> are there any free/low-cost s3 providers around? I think for the scale of an ejabberd server, they're kinda expensive
[07:16:04] <stratself> (i can't help with s3, just asking to make sure it's not an XY problem)
[07:16:33] <ksa2> I calculate around 300 USD/month for VPS & S3 costs combined. 10 TB of S3.
[07:17:11] <stratself> what on earth do you need 10TB of S3 for...
[07:17:21] <ksa2> > stratself wrote:
> are there any free/low-cost s3 providers around? I think for the scale of an ejabberd server, they're kinda expensive
You guys are getting s3 for free! Where?
[07:17:48] <ksa2> > stratself wrote:
> what on earth do you need 10TB of S3 for...
Well, I'm planning on releasing a public commerical server, so...

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[07:18:08] <stratself> oh... lol
[07:18:31] <stratself> i have no idea of the game at that level, sorry
[07:18:39] <ksa2> me neither

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[07:18:46] <ksa2> but imma try

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[07:20:38] <akrosi> > I calculate around 300 USD/month for VPS & S3 costs combined. 10 TB of S3.
is that typical? if you can afford 300/mo for a commercial server, you can't afford self hosting?
[07:20:58] <ksa2> self hosting from my home?
[07:21:14] <akrosi> colocation probably

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[07:22:57] <akrosi> I am solely a home-gamer so I have no idea what enterprise pricing is like. but my main RAID array is 80TB of WD disks, costing $free because they were recycled. the secondary arrayd I use for ejabberd are 2x8tb 4x3tb WD and HGST disks I got cheap off eBay, in Dell servers that were thrown away
[07:23:18] <akrosi> power is by far the largest expense and I try not to think about it

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[07:27:50] <akrosi> oh man, hard drives shot up. WD He10 (10TB enterprise helium filled HDD) are $200/pop used now. I guess 300/mo to have a magic 10TB bin to put your data isn't too unreasonable in this market

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[07:30:53] <ksa2> The thing is I got like 400 USD credits just lying across different services, I hope to turn profit before running out of those credits
[07:31:49] <ksa2> I'm not entirely unrealistic about it also, I know my pocket is gonna take a hit but meh

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[07:32:19] <ksa2> > akrosi wrote:
> I am solely a home-gamer so I have no idea what enterprise pricing is like. but my main RAID array is 80TB of WD disks, costing $free because they were recycled. the secondary arrayd I use for ejabberd are 2x8tb 4x3tb WD and HGST disks I got cheap off eBay, in Dell servers that were thrown away
Do you got a reliable internet?
[07:32:29] <ksa2> [Corrected] Do you have a reliable internet?

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[07:34:14] <ksa2> nonetheless, no business is allowed to be conducted on home internet. I gotta have a business plan which might as well cost the same. Plus, then I'd have risks of down time.

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[07:34:43] <ksa2> > akrosi wrote:
> power is by far the largest expense and I try not to think about it
Oh yea, the freaking power.

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[07:37:05] <ksa2> > akrosi wrote:
> colocation probably
🤣 I don't have any server hardware. Even if I did, I guess no one in Aisa offers colocation service.

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[07:40:01] <zoidberg> for 200 bucks for month anyone can make available 10TB 😀
[07:41:07] <ksa2> I mean by my calculations if my service is profitable, I'll make much more than 300 USD, that'll cover the costs of per month operation.
[07:41:33] <ksa2> Even if the profits aren't high, I'll be able to run Outta my pocket for several months.
[07:41:35] <zoidberg> But storage is indeed getting expensive more and more

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[07:42:42] <zoidberg> Are you that good of a salesman?
[07:43:50] <ksa2> prolly, we'll see
[07:44:31] <zoidberg> I think people these days are stocking up on canned food, water purifiers and survival gear, not XMPP servers

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[07:46:15] <zoidberg> But some people can sell sand on the desert so...

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[07:46:35] <ksa2> > zoidberg wrote:
> for 200 bucks for month anyone can make available 10TB 😀
I don't wanna start with 10 TB, 100 GB is more than enough to start.
[07:46:59] <ksa2> I can scale dynamically after, unlike running form my own hardware.
[07:48:00] <zoidberg> you can always buy a HDD/SSD no?
[07:49:21] <stratself> my question is how are you gonna make money hosting ejabberd

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[07:53:07] <agh> Pair it with an email service, and sell accounts?

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[07:53:59] <ksa2> > my question is how are you gonna make money hosting ejabberd
Maybe how discord is making money while being ad free?
[07:54:22] <ksa2> I know they got CCP funding but aside from that.
[07:54:39] <zoidberg> Selling the user meta data?
[07:55:07] <ksa2> Ejabberd doesn't collect metadata. At most usernames, right?
[07:55:24] <stratself> yes, i'd like to pay money to use a service that i can register freely elsewhere /j
[07:55:28] <ksa2> I can't even snoop on users' chats even as the admin
[07:55:43] <stratself> you can if they disable encryption

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[07:55:59] <ksa2> Yea but the freely available xmpp services don't offer you with 500 mb uploads do they?

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[07:56:06] <zoidberg> You can have lots of meta from the server side
[07:56:15] <stratself> even if you dont you can see the chat timestamps and infer activity
[07:56:35] <zoidberg> 500 mb goes p2p no problem
[07:56:40] <stratself> > Yea but the freely available xmpp services don't offer you with 500 mb uploads do they?
they'll just upload a link to google drive or some 3rd party
[07:56:53] <stratself> or yes, use jingle p2p file transfer
[07:56:58] <ksa2> > you can if they disable encryption
I mean that's unlikely
[07:57:32] <ksa2> Even the oldest person I know can click one button in conversations to enable encryption after seeing the red warning.

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[07:58:00] <ksa2> > You can have lots of meta from the server side
Like?
[07:58:08] <zoidberg> you looking for customers or victims?(sorry, got to ask at this point)
[07:58:51] <ksa2> > even if you dont you can see the chat timestamps and infer activity
Even Signal stores that, but that doesn't make it any less secured

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[07:59:54] <stratself> >> You can have lots of meta from the server side
> Like?
contact list + presence info is a huge part

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[08:00:25] <ksa2> > or yes, use jingle p2p file transfer
P2P is yet unreliable, coz what if the sender is offline when the receiver wants the file.
[08:00:40] <stratself> >> or yes, use jingle p2p file transfer
> P2P is yet unreliable, coz what if the sender is offline when the receiver wants the file.
google drive
[08:00:48] <ksa2> Happens a lot with mobiles
>> or yes, use jingle p2p file transfer
> P2P is yet unreliable, coz what if the sender is offline when the receiver wants the file.
[08:01:15] <ksa2> >> P2P is yet unreliable, coz what if the sender is offline when the receiver wants the file.
>
> google drive
an old person ain't going through all that effort. And it's also good ux
[08:01:40] <ksa2> > you looking for customers or victims?(sorry, got to ask at this point)
Victims from what point of view? Please elaborate.
[08:01:43] <stratself> have you tried uploading a 500MB file? did nothing break?

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[08:02:41] <ksa2> >> Like?
>
> contact list + presence info is a huge part
You can choose to not use mam from your client, not add ppl to your contact list. Like the options for privacy are there. But if u want convenience, you gotta have some info stored server side.

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[08:03:11] <ksa2> > have you tried uploading a 500MB file? did nothing break?
Currently I don't have enough storage on the freaking vps lol.
[08:03:15] <stratself> my point is that if you're charging money and your only appeal is to send large files, i don't think i can trust you lol

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[08:03:31] <akrosi> > [Corrected] Do you have a reliable internet?
yes
I lose my DHCP lease after power outages, but dynamic DNS and a cloudflare API key solved this easily

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[08:03:53] <akrosi> I usually have internet during power outages because it's fiber, so a UPS would solve this, but that costs money :)
[08:04:14] <ksa2> Nope, encrypted vid/voice calling w/o lim
> my point is that if you're charging money and your only appeal is to send large files, i don't think i can trust you lol
it is another selling point
[08:04:49] <zoidberg> What XMPP server doesn't have that yet?
[08:04:53] <stratself> > Nope, encrypted vid/voice calling w/o lim
>> my point is that if you're charging money and your only appeal is to send large files, i don't think i can trust you lol
>
> it is another selling point
dont we already have this

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[08:05:33] <zoidberg> anyways, i dont think i am being constructive here. And i will see myself out of this discussion.

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[08:05:39] <ksa2> > I usually have internet during power outages because it's fiber, so a UPS would solve this, but that costs money :)
Oh yea ups needs charge too 🥲 electricity bills 💹
[08:05:59] <akrosi> > Yea but the freely available xmpp services don't offer you with 500 mb uploads do they?
mine offers 512MiB but you have to be my friend to use it

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[08:06:15] <ksa2> Yup, but mine will be open
[08:06:34] <ksa2> Not just to frnds
[08:06:55] <akrosi> >> you can if they disable encryption
> I mean that's unlikely
not really, OMEMO is almost unusable with multiple clients, and web clients especially

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[08:08:20] <ksa2> > What XMPP server doesn't have that yet?
But in all honesty do you see yourself going through the chaos of talking on another xmpp account and then switching over to another account just to send a video you recorded of your dog?
[08:09:03] <stratself> yes actually

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[08:09:35] <ksa2> >> I mean that's unlikely
>
> not really, OMEMO is almost unusable with multiple clients, and web clients especially
Most people use their phone exclusively for chatting. At least the non tech savvy ones
[08:10:34] <ksa2> Then again I use omemo with almost 6 clients with minimal problems. Just the occasional not encrypted for this device. That's a fair compromise for privacy I think.

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[08:11:57] <ksa2> > yes actually
You can or care to, but I bet most normies aren't gonna bother.

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[08:12:36] <ksa2> They gonna be suffering thru the default 100 mb limit sending low quality compressed vids like there's no Tomorrow.

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[08:13:38] <stratself> you're walking a fine line between "most normies are savvy enough to know how to enable encryption" and "most normies are willing to pay for a service to expand their upload capacity instead of finding workarounds"

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[08:14:28] <stratself> i just wish you good luck in selling the service with a convincing argument why they need high-quality media. I think thats important
[08:14:50] <stratself> because around me, i see normies dont even know/care that their facebook photos are being compressed
[08:15:34] <stratself> i just wish you good luck in selling the service with a convincing argument why they need high-quality media, in-band. I think thats important

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[08:17:17] <ksa2> Thank you stratself, you opened my eyes a bit. I'll be careful.
[08:17:56] <ksa2> Thanks zoidberg for convincing counterpoints

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[08:46:57] <arcanicanis> Just had a thought: are there any bridges/servers a person can put in front of an XMPP server to act like an IRC server that can be accessed by an IRC client that's maintained still (and give/take IRCv3 extensions)?

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[08:49:36] <arcanicanis> (just for novelty sake, as I'm sure there's easy arguments of simply "why not just use an XMPP client?", which I don't disagree with, but just for the sake of a little variety)

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[08:54:54] <Kris> No
[08:55:15] <Kris> Would be nice to have though

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[08:55:58] <arcanicanis> I suppose I could look into making some attempt of it maybe, but I'm sure that'd entail a bit of work, but not too challenging
[08:58:20] <Kris> It has been discussed a bit. I think adding a xmpp backend to the Soju bouncer might be the easiest/best
[08:59:36] <arcanicanis> It is also oddly interesting to notice SCRAM auth support listed in Hexchat as an option, as I hadn't noticed before

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[10:49:06] <Licaon_Kter> ksa2:
> Ejabberd doesn't collect metadata. At most usernames, right?
Lol... https://web.archive.org/web/20211215132539/https://infosec-handbook.eu/articles/xmpp-aitm/

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[12:31:31] <ksa2> > ksa2:
>> Ejabberd doesn't collect metadata. At most usernames, right?
> Lol... https://web.archive.org/web/20211215132539/https://infosec-handbook.eu/articles/xmpp-aitm/
Oh no

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[14:35:52] <starkzarn> > ksa2:
>> Ejabberd doesn't collect metadata. At most usernames, right?
💯

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[15:33:35] <ksa2> > ksa2 wrote:
> guys is there a tutorial from start to finish for mod_s3_upload?
Please, anyone?

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[15:46:31] <ksa2> Do I just write mod_s3_upload in .yml file and enter correct credentials?

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[15:46:48] <ksa2> Or do I need to install the module first?

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[16:38:02] <stratself> is it from ejabberd-contrib?
[16:38:09] <stratself> install if it's from there

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[16:44:47] <ksa2> yes I installed it

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[16:45:59] <ksa2> how do i solve this error?
https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/PTbCkfCDLdPFblU8/image.png
[16:46:35] <ksa2> this is talking about ejabberd.yml

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[17:01:03] <svp> > Just had a thought: are there any bridges/servers a person can put in front of an XMPP server to act like an IRC server that can be accessed by an IRC client that's maintained still (and give/take IRCv3 extensions)?
back in the cretaceous there was a ejabberd module that did exactly that, minus the v3 part

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[17:01:45] <svp> it's still in contrib if you want to take a stab at it but it hasnt been functional in a good while

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[17:11:36] <ksa2> > ksa2 wrote:
> Please, anyone?
nvm I got it working people

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