ejabberd - Sunday, April 12, 2026

[02:15:40] <ksa> > Hello everyone, I have some serious news for you...
> blog.unionium.org/ARTICLES/1.HTM
But if you provide a fix, then what's so serious?
[02:16:54] <Ley> Well, there's a chance that not everyone will find out about the fix.

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[02:31:27] <eltheanine_> Why not propose a fix upstream to the default config

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[05:02:20] <zoidberg> Old config files did come with a modest default, went to peek on my servers and their setting were already set.

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[05:06:42] <zoidberg> Wait, on github it also comes with a default one.

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[05:19:18] <eltheanine_> I thought mine had rate limits, as I base on the latest default. So... storm in a teacup?

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[07:04:26] <zeank> Looks like a variation of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion_laughs_attack - not actual news. Default config that ships with most distributions should be fine.

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[08:01:05] <zeank> Btw, the proposed mitigation in this document seems flawed. First of all, setting a limit on user sessions isn’t a mitigation for this attack, since you don’t need an established session for this to work. Second, the way you set `max_user_sessions` is just terrible wrong the way it’s proposed. Similar problem for how you’d do this in prosody (setting `c2s_limit`). This parameter doesn’t seem to exist. My guess it that there’s some AI bullshit at work here.

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[08:12:19] <zeank> Btw, the proposed mitigation in this document seems flawed. First of all, setting a limit on user sessions isn’t a mitigation for this attack, since you don’t need an established session for this to work. Second, the way you set `max_user_sessions` is just terrible wrong the way it’s proposed. Similar problem for how you’d do this in prosody (setting `c2s_limit` - this parameter doesn’t seem to exist). My guess it that there’s some AI bullshit at work here.

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[08:18:23] <eltheanine_> Seems likely.

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[11:34:09] <zoidberg> Ley: can you prove you are not an AI??!! Sorry its getting difficult to identify.
[11:34:36] <Ley> I'm not robot ✅

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[11:35:50] <zoidberg> Ok then we have concrete proof

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[11:36:54] <Ley> Okay, seriously, that text was written *with the help of AI*, and yeah, the prosody config on the page was incorrect. I've already fixed the example config.

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[11:38:34] <zoidberg> You did wrote kinda too fast with all the correct grammatical rules. Sorry skynet you still cant pass by human.

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[11:40:09] <Ley> 😞

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[11:43:22] <zeank> The example for ejabberd is not correct either, you might suggest a modified version of
```yml
shaper:
  normal:
    rate: 3000
    burst_size: 20000
  fast: 100000
shaper_rules:
  max_user_sessions: 10
  c2s_shaper:
    none: admin
    normal: all
  s2s_shaper: fast
```
[11:43:49] <zeank> That includes how you would set `max_user_sessions` correctly - but as mentioned, this is not a mitigation
[11:45:40] <zeank> After reading through the source a little, I'm not sure if `max_fsm_queue` has any effect - but maybe I'm just blind

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[11:48:11] <zeank> > The example for ejabberd is not correct either, you might suggest a modified version of
>
> ```yml
> shaper:
>   normal:
>     rate: 3000
>     burst_size: 20000
>   fast: 100000
>
> shaper_rules:
>   max_user_sessions: 10
>   c2s_shaper:
>     none: admin
>     normal: all
>   s2s_shaper: fast
> ```
this assumes you have `c2s_shaper` in your listener config like:
```yaml
listen:
  -
    port: 5222
    module: ejabberd_c2s
   [...]
    shaper: c2s_shaper
```
and so on, for further listeners

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[11:48:23] <zeank> > The example for ejabberd is not correct either, you might suggest a modified version of
>
> ```yml
> shaper:
>   normal:
>     rate: 3000
>     burst_size: 20000
>   fast: 100000
>
> shaper_rules:
>   max_user_sessions: 10
>   c2s_shaper:
>     none: admin
>     normal: all
>   s2s_shaper: fast
> ```
this assumes you have `c2s_shaper` in your listener config like:
```yaml
listen:
  -
    port: 5222
    module: ejabberd_c2s
   [...]
    shaper: c2s_shaper
```
and so on, for further listeners

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[11:48:34] <zeank> > The example for ejabberd is not correct either, you might suggest a modified version of
>
> ```yml
> shaper:
>   normal:
>     rate: 3000
>     burst_size: 20000
>   fast: 100000
>
> shaper_rules:
>   max_user_sessions: 10
>   c2s_shaper:
>     none: admin
>     normal: all
>   s2s_shaper: fast
> ```
this assumes you have `c2s_shaper` in your listener config like:
```yaml
listen:
  -
    port: 5222
    module: ejabberd_c2s
   [...]
    shaper: c2s_shaper
```
and so on, for further listeners
[11:48:42] <zeank> > The example for ejabberd is not correct either, you might suggest a modified version of
>
> ```yml
> shaper:
>   normal:
>     rate: 3000
>     burst_size: 20000
>   fast: 100000
>
> shaper_rules:
>   max_user_sessions: 10
>   c2s_shaper:
>     none: admin
>     normal: all
>   s2s_shaper: fast
> ```
this assumes you have `c2s_shaper` in your listener config like:
```yaml
listen:
  -
    port: 5222
    module: ejabberd_c2s
   [...]
    shaper: c2s_shaper
```
and so on, for further listeners
[11:49:08] <zeank> > The example for ejabberd is not correct either, you might suggest a modified version of
>
> ```yml
> shaper:
>   normal:
>     rate: 3000
>     burst_size: 20000
>   fast: 100000
>
> shaper_rules:
>   max_user_sessions: 10
>   c2s_shaper:
>     none: admin
>     normal: all
>   s2s_shaper: fast
> ```
this assumes you have `c2s_shaper` in your listener config like:
```yaml
listen:
  -
    port: 5222
    module: ejabberd_c2s
   [...]
    shaper: c2s_shaper
```
and so on, for further listeners

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[14:21:17] <moparisthebest> > Hello everyone, I have some serious news for you...
> blog.unionium.org/ARTICLES/1.HTM
Ley: https://www.moparisthebest.com/eatxmempp-cve-2021-32918/
[14:22:44] <moparisthebest> it's not billion laughs, XMPP is immune to that, but you can still inflict some damage with garbage collected languages and bad GCs

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[14:25:11] <zoidberg> So moparisthebest how is the status of this issue today?

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[14:25:54] <zoidberg> Can one with a few machines easily perform those attacks and bring down servers?

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[14:26:29] <moparisthebest> with modern prosody, default config, and lua 5.4 it's solved, unsure it was ever a problem with ejabberd

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[14:27:13] <zoidberg> at your article you ended kinda of suggesting the your proxy thing was the solution

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[14:27:23] <moparisthebest> prosody didn't have it on lua 5.1 either, but 5.2 and 5.3 had totally broken looking garbage collectors
[14:27:25] <zoidberg> But i reckon the article is old

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