ejabberd - Sunday, September 27, 2026

[04:36:52] <Eddy> Question about c2s_dhfile / s2s_dhfile.
ejabberd 26.07 here, with only an ECDSA cert (Let's Encrypt, no RSA). I generate a 4096-bit dhparam file at install and point both options to it, but as far as I can tell it's never used: DHE ciphers need an RSA cert, a DHE-RSA handshake on 5222 fails, and TLS 1.3 doesn't use the file anyway.
Is it safe to just drop the option in that setup? And if someone does need DHE, would you recommend the RFC 7919 ffdhe groups over a custom dhparam?
The docs still suggest openssl dhparam, and say the RFC 5114 default "might not provide the same level of security".
Thanks!

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[09:50:11] <Holger> Right, it will remain unused with that setup. Safe to remove.

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[10:02:35] <marko.cupac> Kinn, Kris: oblak.mimar.rs/s/eTPXwFJqX99HJEq

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[10:02:47] <marko.cupac> Kinn, Kris: https://oblak.mimar.rs/s/eTPXwFJqX99HJEq

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[10:05:43] <marko.cupac> Users need to be memberof XMPP Users, and have 'company' field set. It takes some time for new user in ldap to be added to other users' roster, check with get_roster.

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[10:07:11] <marko.cupac> You can use field other than company, just make sure to put correct field in ldao_groupattr and make sure it's not empty, otherwise user won't be shown in shared ldap roster.

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[10:08:15] <marko.cupac> You can use field other than company, just make sure to put correct field in ldap_groupattr and make sure it's not empty, otherwise user won't be shown in shared ldap roster.

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[10:09:27] <Kris> What is that company attribute even doing in this case?

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[10:09:29] <svp> upgraded packages on debian, found out apt helpfully upgraded from 26.07-1 (repo.process-one.net) to... 26.07-1 (deb.debian.org)
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[10:11:45] <marko.cupac> It groups people into roster group. In some clients one can have different groups in roster.
[10:12:26] <marko.cupac> If there's no roster group, user doesn't get added into roster at all.

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[10:12:47] <Kris> Ugh, so instead of using actual ldap groups for that, it uses a group attribute to fake it?

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[10:13:20] <Kris> That makes it useless for my case

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[10:13:46] <marko.cupac> It uses any attribute you specify in ldap_groupattr.
[10:13:59] <Kris> Yes, but not the actual groups

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[10:17:03] <marko.cupac> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/ldap/#configuration-examples

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[10:18:11] <marko.cupac> It's quite powerful, but takes some effort to understand. depends which overlays are used, what is the schema etc.

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[10:20:17] <marko.cupac> In AD concept of groups is different than openldap.

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[10:32:57] <Kris> Hmm... I am using neither.

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[10:33:38] <Kris> In Voidauth OIDC groups map to ldap groups that that's it.

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[10:35:35] <Eddy> > Right, it will remain unused with that setup. Safe to remove.
Thanks!

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[10:57:57] <marko.cupac> What is a ldap group anyway? In most openldap schemas there are user CNs which have (usually multiple) group attributes. Which is (for me, spoiled with AD) inconvenient when I need to add dozens of users to a group, as I need to edit dozens of user CNs. AD has default memberof overlay (can be set up in openldap as well) which creates group objects from group attributes in user CNs and reverses the logic - users are memberof groups, not groups attributes of groups.
[10:58:55] <marko.cupac> What is a ldap group anyway? In most openldap schemas there are user CNs which have (usually multiple) group attributes. Which is (for me, spoiled with AD) inconvenient when I need to add dozens of users to a group, as I need to edit dozens of user CNs. AD has default memberof overlay (can be set up in openldap as well) which creates group objects from group attributes in user CNs and reverses the logic - users are memberof groups, not groups attributes of users.

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[10:59:39] <marko.cupac> No idea how voidauth handles it.

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[11:12:08] <Kris> me neither 🙃 LDAP is a mess

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[11:12:30] <Kris> I only use it with ejabberd because clients don't support OIDC

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[14:47:04] <rom1dep> Kris: is there any client that does?
I've recently rolled-out SSO with pocketId, and with the feedback and experience being overwhelmingly positive, I've been on the fence as whether to push it to ejabberd as well, but I have no idea what to expect in terms of resulting user-experience across platforms

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[14:47:43] <Kris> none.
[14:48:01] <Kris> they want to work on that a bit in the XSF sprint in November I think
[14:48:37] <Kris> there are experimental and bit-rotted implementations for ConverseJS and Movim that never made it into the main codebase

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[14:54:32] <rom1dep> I think I would want to see a Conversations/Monal implementation the most, this is generally where I have the most elderly users who regularly struggle with passwords

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[14:56:29] <zoidberg> what do young people use then?
[14:56:49] zoidberg [afraid of becoming obsolete]

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[15:03:02] <rom1dep> > what do young people use then?
I think young people have less trouble with password, I suspect some of them write them down on sticky notes or something 🙃

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[15:11:24] <zoidberg> I might still go to the old people bucket here😃 i make my password, type in all the clients, and its over, i never remember it anymore.

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[15:12:17] <zoidberg> When i need to change then i use the conversations.im password recovery, and on my server i just change it, type it once and forget😀

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[15:13:04] <zoidberg> Its the only thing i dont have to worry about remembering passwords

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[15:16:41] <rom1dep> neat :-) since I'm my own server admin, I end-up ressetting them via the web UI and SMS-ing them, quite often

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[16:48:39] <dwd> I have something rattling about in my head involving threshold cryptography and key signing and a passkeyish thing. I'd suggest it somewhere but I think people are getting fed up of me offloading half-baked ideas. :-)

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[17:14:35] <zoidberg> Arent you a a xerpa? (the guys who do the XEPs, not the mountain ones...)

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[17:19:44] <moparisthebest> most young and old and people in between use android and hence Conversations or forks, literally higher market share than microsoft windows

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[17:20:36] <moparisthebest> re: passwords they must use a password manager, nothing special or specific to XMPP

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[18:41:41] <Kinn> > Kinn, Kris: https://oblak.mimar.rs/s/eTPXwFJqX99HJEq
thanks for this, will try and implement it on my setup and send results

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[20:15:03] <Kinn> i think im hung up on the `ldap_groupattr: "company"` line, everything else makes sense to me. I don't think my AD has a company attribute defined and im not sure if its a per-user attribute or per-group

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[20:16:14] <Kinn> also trying to verify if the roster list appears, is `ejabberdctl srg_list <domain>` the right command?

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[20:57:54] <marko.cupac> It is in 'organization' tab.

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[21:03:24] <marko.cupac> https://oblak.mimar.rs/s/r2sJcKMjZkSeFx9

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[21:05:16] <marko.cupac> I check it with `ejabberdctl get_roster <user> <host>`

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