ejabberd - Sunday, March 15, 2026

[03:00:41] <admin_cb> I am just figuring out that setting the host_config sql-type doesn't cause ejabberd to use sql exclusively. It looks like things like muc_room are still stored in mnesia. Is it possible to make ejabberd use sql exclusively for all its stores? Is there any reason why that would not be advisable? Basically I'm looking at simplifying the migration or restoration of a server by being able to recover everything by restoring the sql database. But right now it looks like not only do I need to back up restore the sql database, but I have backup and restore mnesia as well. Another question is if the ejabberd has already been running with mnesia, how do I transfer all the existing mnesia data into sql?

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[03:31:35] <zoidberg> `default_db: sql` or something like this

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[04:41:36] <admin_cb> Whenever I have default_db: sql in the top level options, I'm getting " Internal error of module mod_muc has occurred during start" and the server terminates. I don't even know how that is related.

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[04:50:50] <zoidberg> well, you need to investigate and get the specific logs in question.

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[04:56:35] <admin_cb> I don't know what this means 2026-03-14 21:45:47.811923-07:00 [critical] <0.729.0>@gen_mod:maybe_halt_ejabberd/0:304 ejabberd initialization was aborted because a module start failed.
2026-03-14 21:47:54.240876-07:00 [error] <0.810.0> ** State machine 'ejabberd_sql_chatterboxtown.us_1' terminating
** Last message in was {'$gen_sync_event',
                           {<0.729.0>,
                            [alias|
                             #Ref<0.0.93315.1456261717.2912747523.145908>]},
                           {sql_cmd,
                               {sql_transaction,
                                   #Fun<ejabberd_sql_schema.34.50055920>,1},
                               -576460448764}}
** When State == session_established
**      Data  == {state,<0.820.0>,pgsql,140013,0,<<"chatterboxtown.us">>,
                        {{[],[]},0,10000},
                        undefined,60000}
** Reason for termination =
** {timeout,{gen_server,call,[<0.820.0>,{squery,[<<"rollback;">>]},59000]}}

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[07:51:11] <resoli> Hello, I am planning to upgrade my ejabberd instance, using the official debian repo at https://repo.process-one.net/
[07:52:06] <resoli> I got the gpg key https://repo.process-one.net/ejabberd.key (hash: 651C08E9330DD31D8D7DF23A6F97DBF7353A8563 )
[07:52:21] <resoli> I got the gpg key https://repo.process-one.net/ejabberd.key (hash: `651C08E9330DD31D8D7DF23A6F97DBF7353A8563` )
[07:53:40] <resoli> But It seems is not published anywer for web of trust for verification (I checked on https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/ and https://keys.openpgp.org/ )

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[07:54:41] <resoli> But It seems is not published anywhere for web of trust for verification (I checked on https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/ and https://keys.openpgp.org/ )

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[10:44:41] <debalance> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1128568#23

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[12:25:01] <ksa> What steps would you guys recommend to make an ejabberd server bullet proof to downtime?

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[12:25:40] <ksa> Even restarting the server kicks all online users, and what about updating the server version?

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[12:28:05] <zoidberg> There will be like 3 or 4 updates per year, a bit of down time nobody will notice
[12:28:29] <zoidberg> Plus for chaging config use ejabberdctl reload_config

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[12:34:34] <ksa> Also, I read here joinjabber.org that it is not ideal to use nginx + certbot package for ejabberd, why?
[12:34:55] <ksa> I wanna know coz that's precisely what's I'm using.

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[12:35:26] <Kris> where does it say so on joinjabber.org ?
[12:35:33] <ksa> wait

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[12:36:07] <Kris> ksa, you could setup an ejabberd cluster, but it is imho not worth the effort.

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[12:36:52] <Kris> clients will reconnect automatically, so it isn't much of a big deal. And you can use the reload command instead of the restart command for most things.
[12:36:59] <ksa> https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/self-hosted/ejabberd/#step-3-set-up-the-web-server-and-get-your-ssl-certificates
To avoid using something like nginx + Certbot, use the built-in ejabberd acme module, but this article assumes it is desired to host other web services on the same system, in which case each HTTP service would be reverse proxied to a single HTTPS web service.
[12:37:33] <Kris> that doesn't mean it is bad
[12:37:49] <Kris> just in some cases you don't want to use that
[12:38:02] <ksa> like what cases?
[12:38:16] <Kris> when you don't run a webserver on the system
[12:38:25] <ksa> > ksa, you could setup an ejabberd cluster, but it is imho not worth the effort.
sry for ignorance but what is an ejabberd cluster?

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[12:38:53] <Licaon_Kter> Integrated acme is limited, use whatever, copy certs, fix perms, then reload_config
[12:39:08] <Kris> > sry for ignorance but what is an ejabberd cluster?
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/guide/clustering/

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[12:39:37] <Kris> but I really recommend against that, it is just unecessary complexity

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[12:39:50] <Kris> unless you run some huge commercial service

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[12:40:03] <ksa> > https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/guide/clustering/
So this is like a CDN?

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[12:40:43] <ksa> > unless you run some huge commercial service
Like with millions of users, got you.
[12:40:54] <Kris> no it is multiple ejabberds that coordinate with each other so that they appear as a single instance but can for example be updated and restarted individually without any service interruption.

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[12:41:29] <ksa> > no it is multiple ejabberds that coordinate with each other so that they appear as a single instance but can for example be updated and restarted individually without any service interruption.
Thx for the explanation Kris,

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[12:41:59] <Kris> np

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[12:43:05] <ksa> > Integrated acme is limited, use whatever, copy certs, fix perms, then reload_config
That's what I thought when I was deciding whether to run certbot and nginx or not, coz if I wanna run some other web service then Ejabberd's own ACME ain't gonna help much.

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[12:43:48] <ksa> > but I really recommend against that, it is just unecessary complexity
warning heeded

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[16:20:20] <ksa> Can I use some other password hashing method other than md5?

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[16:20:43] <ksa> I'm using sql for auth_method
[16:20:55] <Kris> certainly, and please don't use md5
[16:21:05] <Kris> and I am pretty sure that isn't the default
[16:21:15] <ksa> Problem is how do I change it lamo
[16:21:22] <ksa> you got a tutorial I can refer?
[16:21:33] <Kris> should be in the official documentation, no?
[16:21:43] <ksa> I'll recheck

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[16:25:48] <ksa> When using sql is only SCRAM hashing supported?

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[16:25:57] <ksa> other than md5
[16:26:19] <moparisthebest> just use the defaults?

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[16:27:17] <ksa> default is md5 im afraid
[16:27:35] <ksa> docs only mention scram as an alternative

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[16:37:17] <ksa> > moparisthebest wrote:
> just use the defaults?
I didn't think about password hashing until now let alone alter the defaults for it. I just set up Postgresql as the default database, that's it.
[16:37:41] <moparisthebest> I would just leave the defaults /shrug

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[16:38:34] <Kris> I am pretty sure md5 isn't the default
[16:38:42] <Kris> where do you even get that from
[16:40:41] <Licaon_Kter> ksa: it's not related to mnesia, sql, etc
[16:41:33] <Kris> scram-sha seems to be the default

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[16:43:36] <Kris> you can bump that to sha256 if you want, but it doesn't make a huge difference

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[16:45:07] <Kris> > scram-sha seems to be the default
actually the docu seems to indicate that "plain" is the default? ugh...
[16:45:23] <Kris> that should probably be changed

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[16:46:10] <Kris> I think the example config file that ships with ejabberd uses scram-sha

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[16:50:19] <zoidberg> database password are hashed by default, and if only connections from local host are accepted, and the database port is closed for the outside, i think that what sort of hash is the least of the worries?

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[17:24:47] <Kris> if "plain" is the default, they are not hashed by default

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[17:33:36] <eltheanine_> When I changed to scram, my client (Monocles) complained of a downgrade. So I removed that so it uses default.

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[17:34:24] <eltheanine_> When I changed to scram, my client (Monocles) complained of a downgrade. So I removed that line again so it uses default.

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[17:37:46] <Kris> well that would be confusingly worded in Monocles as it just signifies a change?

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[17:40:55] <eltheanine_> Depends. Can the client choose the mechanism, and specify a better one? Because that what it seems like.
[17:41:22] <eltheanine_> Depends. Can the client choose the mechanism, and specify a better one? Because that is what it seems like.

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[17:42:14] <eltheanine_> I started with nothing specified, then added the line for scram - and it would not log on until I manually told it to due to downgrading auth.
[17:42:31] <Kris> I think unless you explicitly prohibit it, it is possible to use different hash methods

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[17:43:08] <eltheanine_> Ah k, so it is probably a good client in that aspect then.

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[17:52:41] <ksa> Btw how can I check what hash I'm using?

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[17:53:27] <ksa> I've been looking at his section in Ejabberd web admin
[17:53:29] <ksa> https://avesdrop.com:5443/upload/3d358a32d9e5f95da236b8585d3259020ab4632e/A0pAqUt4mIEwZoENQwohZ3WvuwLYq67Mkkr3Fkr6/image.png

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[17:53:47] <ksa> > ksa wrote:
> I've been looking at his section in Ejabberd web admin
The check password hash section

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[17:54:19] <ksa> It seems to indicate that I'm using md5 for every user.
[17:54:29] <dwd> ksa, SCRAM itself is only defined for SHA1 and various sizes of SHA-2.
[17:54:54] <dwd> ksa, Well, ignoring that it has a very early draft based on MD5 that nobody uses.

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[17:56:20] <ksa> Thank you @dwd didn't know that

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[18:04:11] <cbtadmin> I just updated to 26.2 from 23.10 (incrementally with each release version in between). Can't seem to connect to any external mic anymore.

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[18:18:29] <Licaon_Kter> cbtadmin: errors??

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[18:32:28] <ksa> Well guys, I got bad news

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[18:32:49] <ksa> The passwords are stored in plain text by default.
[18:32:58] <ksa> I just checked my database entries
[18:33:06] <ksa> Not even md5

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[18:34:18] <ksa> > Kris wrote:
> actually the docu seems to indicate that "plain" is the default? ugh...
Well, the documents aren't lying

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[18:39:58] <cbtadmin> I just updated to 26.2 from 23.10 (incrementally with each release version in between). Can't seem to connect to any external muc anymore.

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[18:47:56] <cbtadmin> > cbtadmin: errors??
I have loglevel set to 2 and nothing comes up in the logs when I try to connect to a muc.

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