Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, January 31, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[08:02:00] <SouL> .cycke
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[08:02:31] <SouL> Sorry, that should be /cycle (Poezio command) xD
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[09:48:32] <zinid> edhelas, https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2258
[09:48:43] <zinid> edhelas, what issue is he telling about?
[09:48:53] <edhelas> :D eheh
[09:49:11] <edhelas> https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/593
[09:49:38] <edhelas> sorry, I said in my conclusion that it was not related to movim but that they could continue to talk
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[09:50:36] <edhelas> but I think it's wise to just ask him to come to the movim (or ejabberd) chatroom
[09:50:42] <edhelas> the bug tracker is not a service desk
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[09:56:07] <zinid> replied
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[12:03:07] <Holger> SouL: The problem with manual memory management is not just that you can't avoid getting it wrong, but also simply that it's very tedious to do, so you waste time on it.  You need to do this for low-level stuff such as kernels, system libraries, or VMs.  But I'd usually prefer garbage collection for high-level stuff such as daemons or user applications.
[12:03:40] <Holger> zinid: Well Rust doesn't do GC at runtime.
[12:04:09] <Holger> Marketing says they avoid both manual management and GC.  I'd say it's half-manual ...
[12:04:26] <Holger> But yes they do avoid getting it wrong at runtime.
[12:04:29] <zinid> Holger: it does: reference counting is GC
[12:04:45] <prefiks> yeah but that's not what is usually done
[12:04:46] <Holger> But there's no counting at runtime.
[12:05:09] <Holger> The compiler counts and adds a free() call when count==0.
[12:05:10] <prefiks> you also have classes for that in c++ but you wouldn't say that c++ in gc language right?
[12:05:27] <zinid> prefiks: in a huge program you have no idea how many references you will have
[12:05:47] <Holger> prefiks: What's not usually done?
[12:05:52] <prefiks> rust don't use gc by default
[12:06:08] <prefiks> you must use special type for that
[12:07:09] <zinid> Holger: it counts in runtime actually
[12:07:12] <prefiks> no
[12:07:33] <prefiks> you must use Rc<MyType> to have reference counting
[12:07:55] <prefiks> if you use MyType it's allocated on stack
[12:07:58] <zinid> Yes, or RefCell, or WeakRef
[12:08:35] <prefiks> Box<MyType> in smart pointer it dealocates when variable goes out of scope
[12:08:48] <zinid> Yes, I know 😀
[12:09:05] <prefiks> and if allocations are used, Box type is used most often
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[12:37:50] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> wow .. muc icon is nice in movim :)
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[12:40:07] <edhelas> \o/
[12:40:44] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> edhelas: in band pic view on movim.EU won't work neither httpupload
[12:41:32] <edhelas> check your server configuratio
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[12:42:05] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> do u have snoppets how to configure it? i had to re install the whole server
[12:42:14] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> there waas is snipped with hearders and so on
[12:42:37] <edhelas> maybe have a look at the wiki, the only place you have the documentation :3
[12:42:52] <edhelas> https://github.com/movim/movim/wiki
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[12:43:20] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> edhelas: really nice design the dark one
[12:43:35] <edhelas> :) yup using it all the time
[12:43:58] <Holger> Dark Movim theme?
[12:44:11] <Holger> Or what?
[12:44:24] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Holger: yeah
[12:44:36] <Holger> Show pics!
[12:44:40] <Holger> Well one pic :-)
[12:44:43] <edhelas> Holger just login :p
[12:44:49] <Holger> Sigh.
[12:45:01] <Holger> Too much work :-P
[12:45:14] <edhelas> also you can use a search engine https://nl.movim.eu/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/5a903f88-95ef-46dd-a957-e4c5ea6b267e
[12:45:21] <Holger> search what?
[12:45:44] <Holger> Thanks :-)
[12:46:08] <Holger> ZeroMQ!!
[12:46:29] <edhelas> Movim is multithreaded yeah B-)
[12:46:34] <Holger> \o/
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[13:40:11] <zinid> Not sure why movim needs 0mq
[13:44:28] <pztrn> zinid to be listed in dependencies list, of course
[13:44:32] <pztrn> :)
[13:46:38] <zinid> pztrn: you have too big avatar!
[13:46:50] <pztrn> zinid that's a feature
[13:46:52] <pztrn> :))))))
[13:47:35] <zinid> Yeah, poor poezio gets crazy downloading it on every login
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[14:08:03] <SouL> For what is ZeroMQ used?
[14:08:12] <SouL> Or at least in Movim
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[14:58:09] <pztrn> zinid poezio tests you network connectivity with that and send to Microsoft as part of Telemetry /stoppingsayingshit
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[15:56:31] <Licaon_Kter> Is the error "Illegal instruction" a problem of running ejabberd 18.01 armhf from Debian stretch-backports on Raspbian or something that ejabberd signals?
[15:57:13] <Licaon_Kter> *RPi1B
[15:58:09] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, seems like related to platform indeed
[15:58:18] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, we saw this a lot in OSX for example
[16:00:07] <Licaon_Kter> Umm, I was trying DietPi distro, I'll see with plain Raspbian next.
[16:06:25] <Licaon_Kter> I was hoping that I won't need to cross-compile it for Linux too... Oh ffs
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[16:10:18] <Licaon_Kter> FreeBSD was working great, except this $hit (0 replies yay): https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/64311/
Linux gives me 228Mb of RAM available but it spits "illegal instruction" instead :(
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[16:30:26] <zinid> odd
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[16:32:57] <prefiks> iirc ejabberd is compiled for hard floats in that, do that distro of yours use soft floats?
[16:36:44] <cromain> yes, build is for armv7hf. won't work on armv6 and RPi1 is armv6 AFAIR. that would explain the illegal instruction
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[16:45:56] <vanitasvitae> Licaon_Kter: i had the same error
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[16:46:12] <vanitasvitae> Ended up compiling ejabberd myself
[16:46:37] <vanitasvitae> Once you figured out all dependencies, thats not a hassle though
[16:47:08] <vanitasvitae> Plus you can always stay on HEAD :)
[16:47:44] <zinid> vanitasvitae, how much time does it take?
[16:47:58] <vanitasvitae> Around 3 mins or so?
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[16:48:10] <zinid> ha, I'm told it takes eternity
[16:48:19] <vanitasvitae> Nah
[16:48:42] <zinid> ThUnD3r|Gr33n, did you lie to me?
[16:49:02] <zinid> ah, probably it takes a lot to compile erlang
[16:49:30] <zinid> because Erlang takes way more than 3 minutes to compile even on modern desktop
[16:49:47] <vanitasvitae> zinid: i think I installed erlang from the repos
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[16:50:15] <vanitasvitae> I noticed there were some dependencies missing from the readme, but unfortunately I forgot which :D
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[17:03:16] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: erlang (and some other deps) would take a bit more under 1h iirc, but ejabberd is pretty fast
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[17:04:18] <Licaon_Kter> cromain: Raspbian is armhf for 6 and 7, as far as the forums say. But yes, that error sounds like a 7 instruction would have beon triggered or something.
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[18:07:22] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: now I see, noooo, it takes days on the device... I was cross-compiling on desktop
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[18:11:52] <zinid> I wonder why rpi has so shitty cpu
[18:12:15] <zinid> I have a 100$ phone (xiaomi) with decent cpu
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[19:27:06] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: It's a cheap board, with an old (it was old in 2012 when I bought it, let alone now) CPU. But, I can push it up to 900MHz and it's a bit better. Now, depending on the workload, I found it to more limited memory wise (I have the 256Mb version) since SD storage is slow, basically if it starts swapping it's gone down the $hitter.
[19:28:51] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, heh, not sure why you use it, but whatever ;)
[19:29:22] <zinid> digitalocean instance costs 5$/month and has 1Gb RAM with quite decent CPU core
[19:32:23] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: because it's "free" for my purpose.
I could even have multiple old dual-cores Intel@3GHz if I wanted, that just sit in the corner, but... where's the fun in that. ;)
[19:32:50] <zinid> ah, for fun
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