ejabberd - Tuesday, February 20, 2018

ejabberd

Tuesday, February 20, 2018< ^ >

zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im

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[00:22:07] <Holger> Ah, the final Travis fix was to accept skipped tests: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/983aaac
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[00:23:26] <Holger> Helps with the skipped Riak tests of course, but means Travis will also be happy when all tests are skipped :-)
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[02:00:03] <rom1dep> zinid: about memory, I noticed that my new baseline (on my new server) is 99MB instead of 65. I don't know if it's because I compile from source now (as opposed to using p1's RPMs) maybe using a "wrong" (debug/memory hungry) configure flag, or because the erlang VM pre-allocates more, considering it now has twice the previous amount of RAM available
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[02:17:44] <bowlofeggs> mine seems to use about 36MB RSS
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[02:20:17] <bowlofeggs> on Fedora 26
[02:40:16] <rom1dep> f27
[02:41:06] <bowlofeggs> rom1dep: i happen to be the fedora ejabberd maintainer - have you tried the fedora RPMs? 18.01 is available in the official repo
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[02:47:04] <rom1dep> bowlofeggs: wasn't there when I needed it
[02:48:57] <bowlofeggs> rom1dep: it went in about a month ago, but you can see the other update history here: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=ejabberd
[02:50:17] <rom1dep> bowlofeggs: good to know, thanks
[02:51:06] <bowlofeggs> rom1dep: i also maintain a fedora copr with the latest version for older fedoras (like f26, which is stuch on 17.01 to maintain backwards compatibility): https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/erlang/ejabberd/
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[05:49:11] <mr.newbie> What kind of sub domains should i add to my SSL certificate for ejabberd to be ready for pubsub etc..., should I include pubsub to the alternative name or is pubsub only internally accessed ?
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[05:52:27] <zinid> mr.newbie: yes, you should add to SAN
[05:53:50] <zinid> mr.newbie: actually you should add all domains to SAN, because CN is deprecated and will not be used by browsers in the future
[05:55:02] <zinid> rom1dep: 99Mb? Is it after cold start?
[05:58:21] <rom1dep> zinid: yup
[06:00:19] <zinid> rom1dep, erlang:memory()
[06:00:22] <zinid> from remsh
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[06:07:11] <rom1dep> Busy with red pandas just now
[06:11:09] <rom1dep> https://upload.tamytro.org/upload/a3849b367f4dd4cedd5ad6f64afa7645b7d4f834/7MppUL5ZPMhyvjyBA2z32aV8Fg7yU4quckSmy93o/hjjXIew6TieCjmKo0tn6xg.jpg
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[06:23:12] <zinid> what are you going to do with poor pandas?
[06:26:03] <rom1dep> Poor quality pictures ;-)
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[08:25:31] <flow> I'm working on Smack's (not so fine) connection logic, which requires me to break at certain points of different connection phases, this causes ejabberd to send a connection-timeout stream error. I already tried to set 'timeout' to 5 min in the c2s listening section, but it appears there is another timeout invovled. any pointers?
[08:27:11] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/xmpp_stream_in.erl#L223
[08:27:13] <zinid> it's hardcoded
[08:27:50] <flow> yeah, 30 seconds sounds about what I'm experiencing
[08:28:27] <flow> zinid, any objections making it configurable? at least statically?
[08:28:42] <zinid> flow, of course it's trivial to make it optional
[08:28:57] <zinid> the only problem as always: how to call the option? 🙂
[08:29:09] <Holger> timeout42
[08:29:16] <flow> or set it to whatever timeout is set?
[08:29:41] <zinid> negotiation_timeout?
[08:30:13] <zinid> or just c2s_timeout maybe...
[08:30:28] <zinid> we already have s2s_timeout, but it's for idle connections only
[08:31:19] <Holger> Isn't negotiation_timeout a better description because it really just applies to the negotiation phase?
[08:31:33] <zinid> yes
[08:31:44] <zinid> but we also need it for s2s I think
[08:31:50] <Holger> Ah.
[08:31:57] <zinid> or maybe to make it the same for all types?
[08:32:07] <zinid> why on earth would you configure different timeouts for this?
[08:32:31] <Holger> Agreed.
[08:32:41] <zinid> ok, give me 5 minutes
[08:32:45] <zinid> (I'm bored anyways)
[08:32:48] <Holger> 3
[08:32:53] <zinid> damn
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[08:51:50] <zinid> flow, https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/d625e24029221cea30ef7078010f16da526ce257
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[08:52:14] <zinid> it took 20 minutes 😕
[08:56:22] <flow> zinid, thanks :)
[08:56:30] <flow> will that 18.03?
[08:56:37] <zinid> flow, sure
[08:56:45] <flow> will that hit 18.03?
[08:56:47] <flow> k
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[09:16:56] <Holger> zinid: 👍
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[09:28:48] <mnr11> If I want to save custom data to the DB  from the packet which hook/module should I go with?
[09:30:39] <zinid> there is so no such module, you should write one
[09:30:55] <zinid> and you should intercept packets in user_send_packet/user_receive_packet hook
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[09:40:07] <mnr11> yeah right, I'm writing one, I was just asking about that and thinking about using user_send_packet, thanks!
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[09:44:51] <mnr11> I was should think about editing the core module, right?
[09:45:18] <zinid> mnr11: core module?
[09:46:25] <mnr11> yeah, where it's saving the data to the desired table, which is archived table here
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[09:49:30] <mnr11> Like, mod_mam_sql module here.
[09:50:28] <mnr11> I can just add a new column to the sql query
[09:51:57] <mnr11> so there is no extra parsing packet or extra query
[09:52:22] <mnr11> would it be good idea?
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[09:53:12] <mrDoctorWho> editing core modules is never a good idea
[09:53:13] <mnr11> *a
[09:54:10] <mnr11> Yeah, I know
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[09:55:57] <mnr11> But it would be little slower if I try to parse each the packet for messages  and hit the DB for that.
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[10:03:24] <zinid> some crazy shit you're doing there
[10:03:31] <zinid> but you're the boss
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[10:05:24] <mnr11> I'm just a beginner so I'm misunderstanding a lot of thing.
[10:06:08] <mnr11> I'm sorry.
[10:08:00] <mrDoctorWho> if you could tell us what do you want to achieve, we probably could help you
[10:11:45] <mnr11> mrDoctorWho, firstly I want to save the stanzaID to the archive table in mysql.
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[10:12:56] <mnr11> The column is not present in the table, so I have added it as I got suggestion from here
[10:13:01] <mrDoctorWho> as far as I remember you told that you want to know whether the message got delivered
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[10:13:40] <mrDoctorWho> you can make your clients send urn:xmpp:receipts on message reception and save them
[10:13:52] <mrDoctorWho> although saving ids is less expensive
[10:14:09] <mrDoctorWho> but I'm not sure what are you going to achieve with this, as of ids are mostly random
[10:14:39] <mnr11> I will try to make relation with a table
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[10:16:15] <zinid> mnr11, but the question is why you want to store stanza-id
[10:16:35] <zinid> what task are you trying to solve and why existing solutions don't satisfy you
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[10:50:37] <mnr11> zinid, sorry for the delay, I need the delivery/seen status of messages in one-to-one chat and also in group chat.
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[10:52:26] <mnr11> Is it possible to do that without writing any module or changing the default provided DB schema?
[10:52:29] <Holger> mnr11: The receiving clients could generate XEP-0333 Chat Markers (and could add a <store/> hint to make sure they are stored to MAM).  That won't do the trick?
[10:53:09] <Holger> mnr11: I mean why does the server need to be involved with this?
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[12:11:25] <rom1dep> zinid: 98M from htop/RES
[{total,47941688},
{processes,7199032},
{processes_used,7198808},
{system,40742656},
{atom,1025209},
{atom_used,997021},
{binary,1862848},
{code,23372641},
{ets,4420408}]
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[12:13:08] <rom1dep> my ./configure --enable-user=ejabberd --enable-pgsql --enable-zlib --enable-iconv --enable-stun --enable-sip --prefix=/opt/ejabberd
[12:14:01] <rom1dep> erlang version: erlang-compiler-19.3.6.5-1.fc27.x86_64
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[12:26:16] <mnr11> Holger, I just asked the person who is building the client side what you said, I wasn't sure about how to do it what he was asking, thanks for giving me the hints, very much appreciated.
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[15:14:33] <zinid> rom1dep, this is really odd, ejabberd sees only 48Mb
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[15:18:23] <rom1dep> zinid: and it's been steady since the server started, so it's not some weird native leakage
[15:20:17] <zinid> rom1dep, well, there is a way to check this, but too much fiddling
[15:21:13] <rom1dep> zinid: how do you measure your ram usage?
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[15:28:02] <Holger> ps -o rss -C beam.smp
[15:28:15] <Holger> ... is what I do.
[15:32:04] <zinid> I just look into `top`
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[15:36:27] <rom1dep> yup, so no big surprise there
[15:36:44] <rom1dep> returns RSS 101888
[15:37:20] <zinid> $ ps -o rss -C beam
  RSS
60532
[15:38:07] <zinid> rom1dep, what happens when you run pure erlang, i.e. just `$ erl`
[15:38:13] <zinid> how much does it consume?
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[15:38:20] <bowlofeggs> i'm seeing 77952 today
[15:40:28] <bowlofeggs> 59228 on my rawhide box (no users on that one)
[15:40:47] <rom1dep> zinid: 20100
[15:40:53] <zinid> I have ~60Mb with 3 sessions 😉
[15:41:04] <zinid> rom1dep, and erlang:memory()?
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[15:42:07] <rom1dep> 1> erlang:memory().
[{total,13432936},
{processes,4030784},
{processes_used,4029424},
{system,9402152},
{atom,202505},
{atom_used,188099},
{binary,165808},
{code,4013562},
{ets,214720}]
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[15:44:13] <zinid> yeah... go figure
[15:45:10] <zinid> ah, it seems like you're not using system erlang
[15:45:41] <rom1dep> am I not?
[15:46:00] <zinid> you're installing p1's package, right?
[15:46:04] <zinid> erlang is bundled there
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[15:46:34] <rom1dep> nope, I stopped doing that, this is fedora's erlang, as posted just below the ./configure
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[15:51:09] <Akasch> is there a way to get mod_shared_roster to run under 18.01 or do I have to downgrade my ejabberd? I'm running into #1706 it seems
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[15:53:17] <zinid> downgrade
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[15:53:30] <zinid> and wait for 18.03, it will be fixed there
[15:53:39] <Akasch> ok thanks
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[16:16:40] <Akasch> is this error: "Application ejabberd exited with reason: {aborted,{bad_type,{ejabberd_commands,gen_html_doc_for_commands,[do" because I did not replace the mnesia database with the backup, ore have I missed something else while downgrading?
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[16:19:33] <zinid> I think due to downgrading
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[16:19:44] <zinid> ejabberd doesn't support database downgrade
[16:20:01] <zinid> just delete the table
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[16:21:17] <zinid> ejabberd_commands.something-something
[16:21:21] <zinid> inside mnesia directory
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[16:26:29] <Holger> https://www.eveonline.com/article/p4g5k3/preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-eve-voice
[16:26:33] <Holger> XMPP is the future!
[16:31:32] <rom1dep> wowh
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[16:38:01] <zinid> Holger, what is "an industry standard XMPP chat server"?
[16:38:07] <zinid> what are they using?
[16:38:14] <zinid> prosody? 🙂
[16:38:26] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: 0.4% means `not using`
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[16:38:50] <Licaon_Kter> Also, it was just bridging voice? To what?
[16:39:02] <Holger> zinid: Hehe, I have no idea.
[16:39:46] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, a lot of our customers use ejabberd for some weird shit, this is no surprise to me 😉
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[17:19:59] <Neustradamus> Holger: EVE Online is XMPP since a very long time no?
If my memory is good
[17:21:09] <Holger> Well that article says it's new and the date is 2018-02-20.  But I have no idea.
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[17:24:32] <zinid> Not sure why they chose XMPP, it's PITA
[17:24:46] <zinid> good luck them now to scale it
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[17:27:06] <Neustradamus> Holger: maybe 10 years ago
[17:27:55] <Licaon_Kter> I'm the only one that read it?
They close *only* their voice servers given that the players use other services.
[17:28:43] <Holger> > With the March release, we'll be updating the chat system in EVE Online, moving from the custom solution we've been using since EVE was initially designed, to an industry standard XMPP chat server that will offer better performance and flexibility for the future.
[17:28:56] <Holger> Whatever.
[17:31:59] <SouL> XMPP is great!
[17:33:09] <SouL> zinid, what do you mean by that? Big companies like Google did. How is that you say so?
[17:33:45] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: yes, but when you're using something else for voice, you'll use that for chat too
[17:34:22] <zinid> SouL, just from my practice, if I need scalable protocol I would never choose XMPP
[17:34:38] <zinid> XMPP is for home servers and localhost admins
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[17:35:35] <Holger> Large MUC rooms or large rosters suck.
[17:35:52] <zinid> Holger, clustering is also PITA
[17:35:55] <Neustradamus> https://xmpp.org/2010/02/xmpp-roundup-13-services/ :)
[17:36:26] <zinid> and Google is not an argument, invest like Google and you can choose whatever shit you like
[17:36:30] <Holger> Neustradamus: Ah.
[17:36:43] <zinid> just add 100 servers when in doubt
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[17:40:49] <SouL> zinid, what would you rather choose isntead of XMPP?
[17:41:16] <zinid> lol, reminds me KDE that is running xmpp for ages and now they want to migrate from IRC 🙂
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[17:41:54] <zinid> SouL, custom solution, with complex client and stateless servers
[17:42:50] <Holger> Google back then actually was interested in interop with others, so it made sense to pick whatever standard solution was available and work around the limitations.
[17:43:22] <zinid> yeah, just like email, which has not perfect infrastructure, to say the least 🙂
[17:43:23] <Holger> Then when it became apparent that nobody was interested in interop with them, they ditched it.
[17:43:46] <zinid> Holger, nerds were interested!
[17:44:11] <Holger> Hehe yes.  From what I know there was some motivation within Google to drive the industry into XMPP.
[17:44:45] <zinid> "the industry"
[17:44:47] <Holger> But that attempt failed miserably of course.
[17:44:58] <zinid> google + facebook + apple, and other marginals 🙂
[17:45:09] <Holger> Well the global players that offered chat.
[17:46:31] <Neustradamus> zinid: XMPP is used since 2005/2006 for KDE yes
[17:46:38] <zinid> Neustradamus, I know
[17:46:44] <zinid> I even remeber that 😉
[17:46:56] <zinid> (#iamold)
[17:47:15] <Neustradamus> Before ejabberd and after prosody
[17:48:39] <zinid> yes
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[18:59:57] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Evening
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[19:41:00] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n®: hey, that's insensitive and borderline violence. Don't _assume_ my timezone
🤡
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