ejabberd - Saturday, March 10, 2018

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[06:51:54] <zinid> rom1dep, no, how will you solve carbons with other resources which don't support e2ee?
[06:54:10] <rom1dep> Non e2ee won't get unencrypted messages, it's only an issue if the user isn't aware of it, which is a UX concern, nothing more
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[07:01:07] <zinid> I wonder why we even need xmpp in this case, because e2ee just destroys backward compatibility
[07:01:37] <zinid> you lose the very basic functionality: chat messages
[07:02:00] <rom1dep> Dunno, sounds like strong words. If as a user it's clear what you are up to, then why not?
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[07:02:47] <zinid> if we assume there are only geeks in xmpp, then yes
[07:03:58] <rom1dep> If there is a discussion details saying "your devices a and b, and recipient's devices d and e will won't receive the messages, update your clients. And by the way, server search which almost no client offers won't work" then what's not ok?
[07:05:10] <zinid> these kind of discussions just get me very frustrated about xmpp
[07:06:41] <rom1dep> I feel you, but you can't adding things without compromises sometimes
[07:06:57] <zinid> yeah, but I can still do a lot of stuff to stop this madness
[07:07:04] <rom1dep> Can't keep*
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[07:07:24] <zinid> by disabling OMEMO in ejabberd and make the configuration option to enable it extremely cumbersome
[07:07:59] <rom1dep> Unless everyone out there becomes a sysadmin and controls its hosting, e2e is a necessity
[07:08:25] <zinid> maybe, but at the current stage e2ee is too unreliable
[07:08:50] <rom1dep> Unless I miss something huge, the compromises seem very reasonable to me
[07:08:51] <zinid> also, I like xmpp because of federation, I don't care about EC encryption, FPS and e2ee
[07:09:17] <rom1dep> Yeah, but omemo isn't touching federation, is it?
[07:09:30] <zinid> it is of course
[07:09:35] <zinid> see broken carbons
[07:10:08] <zinid> have different clients from different vendors is also part of federation in my opinion
[07:10:28] <rom1dep> If your server isn't supporting PEP, I will just not send you omemo messages and we are still friends, isn't that the case?
[07:10:59] <rom1dep> It's part of the ecosystem, not federation
[07:11:15] <zinid> rom1dep, so we're now debating about terminology?
[07:11:21] <zinid> I said what I meant already
[07:12:30] <rom1dep> Sorry, but unless omemo prevents features to be negotiated, and the highest common denominator to be used, there's nothing special about it
[07:12:59] <zinid> sure, so I will just disable OMEMO in ejabberd by default
[07:13:27] <zinid> and will create a proprietary extenstion to enable it contact per contact only
[07:14:02] <zinid> nothing special about it, right?
[07:14:16] <zinid> if clients don't support my extenstion, they need to be updated
[07:15:25] <rom1dep> I fail to see how it's related. You disagreeing with a standard can't make it a non standard.
[07:16:49] <zinid> you better tell me how I should upgrade a client which is not maintainable?
[07:16:58] <rom1dep> (and I respect your disagreement, I'm not trying to convince or anything. This course of action is nonsensical, but again, I might be missing something important)
[07:17:35] <rom1dep> Why would you care about a client which isn't maintained?
[07:17:46] <zinid> rom1dep, because I use those clients
[07:18:01] <rom1dep> Maintain them, then?
[07:18:16] <zinid> really?
[07:18:22] <zinid> and add OMEMO there?
[07:18:27] <zinid> the stuff I don't need?
[07:18:32] <zinid> is it a joke/
[07:18:33] <zinid> ?
[07:18:39] <rom1dep> Where is that? Tkabber?
[07:18:46] <zinid> yes, for example tkabber
[07:19:18] <zinid> the only client without bugs
[07:19:21] <rom1dep> If you can gather sufficient people, you may be able to sponsor it, even
[07:19:34] <zinid> all other desktop clients are worthless buggy shit, despite they are being maintained
[07:19:48] <zinid> rom1dep, nah, I will just disable OMEMO on the server
[07:19:56] <zinid> much easier for me
[07:20:13] <zinid> and will make it a default 😉
[07:20:21] <rom1dep> I'm not sure I can even run tkabber on my machine without compiling it
[07:20:45] <zinid> rom1dep, so now you want me to convince to use another desktop client?
[07:20:47] <zinid> which one?
[07:21:00] <zinid> maybe this lagging Dino shit?
[07:21:07] <zinid> or console crap like poezio?
[07:21:08] <rom1dep> Nope
[07:21:19] <zinid> both don't support OMEMO btw
[07:22:04] <zinid> I really don't care about OMEMO, use it, but why do you force it?
[07:22:06] <rom1dep> But if it's too much effort to update tkabber, maybe it means it's been dead for so long that catching up now is pointless. I honestly don't know. Even PSI got its support for omemo
[07:22:28] <rom1dep> I'm not forcing it to anyone
[07:22:36] <rom1dep> Maybe some other do
[07:22:39] <zinid> you're forcing in fact
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[07:22:54] <zinid> this is because guys like you it's now enabled in Conversations by default
[07:23:11] <rom1dep> Nope
[07:23:27] <rom1dep> I think as it was before 2 was fine
[07:24:06] <rom1dep> I'm considering staying with 1 for a while, because I'm not convinced at all by 2
[07:24:30] <zinid> yeah, Daniel just went crazy
[07:24:35] <rom1dep> But again, what a client does and why your client is dead are two separate things
[07:24:40] <zinid> I'm considering changing the client as well
[07:24:43] <zinid> xabber maybe
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[07:26:24] <rom1dep> Should be doable to spin up a friendly fork with previous defaults
[07:26:34] <rom1dep> Maybe it'll come to that
[07:26:48] <zinid> fork is crap
[07:26:56] <zinid> how long will you maintain it?
[07:26:57] <rom1dep> Almost everyone dislike the new UI anyways
[07:27:10] <zinid> 1year, 2 years, 3 years? Then you will become bored
[07:27:21] <rom1dep> Forking is easy if backporting changes is easy
[07:28:43] <rom1dep> It can be just a way to draw attention and show that users actually prefer the alternative
[07:28:58] <rom1dep> If the alternative is nothing but better default, then it speaks for itself
[07:29:05] <rom1dep> That's extreme anyways
[07:29:47] <rom1dep> zinid: how clean do you think the code of tkabber is, btw?
[07:30:34] <zinid> rom1dep, very clean
[07:30:55] <zinid> the point is Tcl/Tk has the best GUI API ever
[07:31:35] <rom1dep> But most issues are with handling edge cases of the protocol, UI is the easy part imo
[07:32:00] <zinid> tkabber has been the best in this case, I used it on purpose
[07:32:45] <rom1dep> And could that good protocol layer be used together with a newer frontend?
[07:33:05] <zinid> only in theory
[07:33:14] <zinid> in practice you need to rewrite half of the code
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[07:33:39] <rom1dep> That's unfortunate
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[07:34:30] <zinid> I could maintain tkabber, but I don't want to maintain something 5 users are using
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[07:34:47] <zinid> I can probably know them all in person, lol
[07:35:01] <rom1dep> Good clients generally miss making their network stack available. Maybe the whole state of despair of this ecosystem boils down to that
[07:35:26] <rom1dep> zinid: does it have PEP?
[07:35:46] <zinid> rom1dep, yes, but only for outdated shit like mood and tune
[07:36:28] <rom1dep> Is it much different to get new shit like prekeys?
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[07:37:06] <zinid> no
[07:37:15] <zinid> I don't think so
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[07:38:16] <rom1dep> Maybe there's some fun to earn in doing that 😉
[07:38:28] <rom1dep> Train is arriving, BBL
[07:38:29] <zinid> not for me
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[07:41:44] <rom1dep> Avatars are more fun? 😁Ok, just nagging
[07:45:55] <zinid> avatars improve reading
[07:46:36] <zinid> I don't need to read every nickname to understand who wrote this
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[10:42:58] <Holger> rom1dep: OMEMO is non-standard by the way.
[10:46:31] <Holger> rom1dep: I think in theory, you can make E2EE work quite reliably, but you obviously loose the option to do nice things server-side. Clients don't implement search today because the XEP is missing a proper option for that, but IMO that would be a very nice feature. Also spam filtering. Also filtering of push notifications. And so on.
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[10:48:39] <Holger> rom1dep: But this is purely theory, in practice we are very far away from reliable E2EE, OMEMO breaks communication in many ways, all the time. I think it's a bad idea to deploy it in such a broken state.
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[10:50:10] <Holger> I think usable E2EE would have to be based on something like OX. No forward secrecy, and a single key per contract rather than per device.
[10:51:18] <zinid> I think the idea is that this will stimulate to fix these issues, just like all those stupid xeps deprecations
[10:53:59] <Holger> Yeah, probably. We do beta testing by deploying broken technology in production. Everyone knows XMPP is unreliable anyway, so that's fine.
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[10:57:26] <zinid> Yeah
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[11:22:15] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: +1
Then again you complain a lot about bikeshedding from XSF...now this...forces things...forward somewhat
[11:23:14] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, this is totally unrelated to XSF, the last XSF council did virtually nothing for xmpp, they only do bikeshedding
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[11:50:18] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, also, all those bugs are pretty-much known, why wouldn't just fix them first?
[11:51:12] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: you know why, everyone works on what they like first.
[11:52:16] <zinid> so better forcing to do things they don't like?
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[12:05:03] <Licaon_Kter> It's not yet forced though....there is a reason for "beta"
[12:08:36] <zinid> hard to say when the author doesn't respond
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[12:13:22] zinid: How should I configure ejabberd? I cannot connect to the server
[12:13:37] <zinid> i, what's in the logs?
[12:13:45] <zinid> is it even running?
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[12:14:30] <zinid> also, configuration is done via the configuration file `ejabberd.yml`, you should change it as needed then do `ejabberdctl reload`
[12:15:03] <zinid> how did you install it? what version?
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[12:17:10] 18.01
[12:17:57] <zinid> deb? rpm? from repo? from the site?
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[12:19:39] ejabberd-18.01-linux-x86_64-installer.run
[12:20:16] <zinid> find where it's installed, find `ejabberdctl` file there and run:
$ ejabberdctl status
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[12:22:46] <zinid> so it works
[12:23:23] <zinid> you cannot create an account or what?
[12:23:57] <zinid> you should have created an admin account during installation, you can use it to connect to the server using any xmpp client
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[12:25:11] I cannot connect to the server
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[12:26:40] https://share.litcc.com/i/jBKaIP7L47tWJc2l/ejabberd.log
[12:27:02] My log file.
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[12:45:38] <zinid> I don't see connection attempts except some s2s connections
[12:46:20] Is it a certificate issue?
[12:46:40] <zinid> well, you have some certificate issues, yes
[12:46:45] <zinid> see [warning] messages
[12:46:52] <zinid> but I don't think this is the case now
[12:47:01] <zinid> but you should fix those warnings anyway
[12:48:14] <zinid> > Failed to read /opt/ejabberd-18.01/conf/cacert.pem: no such file or directory
First error
[12:48:34] <zinid> > Path /opt/ejabberd-18.01/conf/server.pem is empty, please make sure ejabberd has sufficient rights to read it
Second error
[12:49:32] Now I installed it, the configuration file is basically the default
[12:49:50] <zinid> yes, but you still need to configure certfiles
[12:50:03] <zinid> where do you have your PEM files?
[12:51:07] <zinid> I guess /opt/ejabberd-18.01/conf/cacert.pem is the default CA file shipped with ejabberd, why is it missing? did you delete it?
[12:51:50] no
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[12:51:59] <zinid> does it exist?
[12:52:29] I did not delete it
[12:52:31] <zinid> ls -la /opt/ejabberd-18.01/conf/cacert.pem
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[12:53:36] “/opt/ejabberd/conf/cacert.pem”
[12:53:50] <zinid> so change the path
[12:53:55] <zinid> in ejabberd.yml
[12:53:57] It is here
[12:54:06] <zinid> post ejabberd.yml somewhere
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[13:00:31] so that's it
[13:00:48] <zinid> what?
[13:02:19] Is the issue of the certificate path
[13:02:54] Which subdomain certificates do I need to apply for?
[13:03:02] <zinid> look
[13:03:25] <zinid> just put *all* your PEM files in some directory, then point to it using `certfiles` option of ejabberd.yml
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[13:05:43] Oh
[13:06:10] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.yml.example#L113
[13:06:34] <zinid> just like in this example
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[13:09:11] ok
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[13:30:35] zinid: thanks a lot
[13:31:14] I can connect to the server.
[13:32:45] <zinid> Good
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[13:33:18] https://share.litcc.com/i/Sx4CFqOTSarNpYIS/iAniPGl-T9OLm1kdzl8B8w.jpg
[13:34:14] <zinid> i: I cannot download the image
[13:34:56] Ok, it doesn't matter
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[13:49:03] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: works for me
[13:49:35] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: yes it works now
[13:51:38] <zinid> It's better to enable mam and http upload
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[14:22:10] I am planning to see how to enable mam with http upload
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[16:21:34] https://share.litcc.com/i/wkF8LQT6AoQgJyk5/vLg1B4guS4C8CW4wW2xInQ.jpg
[16:22:13] <zinid> http upload is left 😉
[16:22:25] Can anyone tell me how to open http file upload
[16:22:59] <zinid> isn't there example in the ejabberd.yml.example?
[16:24:14] I don't know which option to turn on
[16:24:42] <zinid> I have the following configuration:
in `listen` section you should add the listener:
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 port: 5280
 module: ejabberd_http
 request_handlers:
 "/upload": mod_http_upload
[16:25:22] <zinid> then add the module to `modules` section:
 mod_http_upload:
 docroot: "/home/foo/www"
 put_url: "http://upload.@HOST@/upload"
 get_url: "http://upload.@HOST@/upload"
[16:25:36] <zinid> but you should fix port, get_url and put_url according to your network settings
[16:27:04] What is mod_http_fileserver doing?
[16:27:19] a bit messy
[16:27:21] <zinid> i, it's a simple web-server serving files over HTTP
[16:27:30] <zinid> messy what?
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[16:32:17] <zinid> Holger, am I right? mod_http_upload can serve http requests without mod_http_fileserver?
[16:34:01] https://share.litcc.com/i/qDnGE4x7GYtd2bVY/IMG_20180311_003336_026.jpg
[16:34:01] https://share.litcc.com/i/hJICGM9V8BjqjfLj/IMG_20180311_003334_577.jpg
[16:34:01] https://share.litcc.com/i/spdhCbbx3RZe4r1W/IMG_20180311_003331_513.jpg
[16:34:09] look
[16:34:26] <Holger> zinid: Yes.
[16:34:48] <zinid> yeah, what a mess...
[16:35:08] <zinid> i, well, remove other shit
[16:35:10] Unlike what you sent me, I don't know which one I should turn on or whether I need to enable it.
[16:35:13] <zinid> just leave what I gave you
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[16:35:34] <zinid> I think you don't need ws or bosh
[16:36:24] Wait, I will turn it off
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[16:40:46] So, I should open a separate port 5444 by default, or just like you, at 5280
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[16:43:46] <zinid> it's up to you
[16:44:11] <zinid> for example, on my machine I opened 5280 (just a convenient number), then redirected 80th port via iptables on 5280
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[16:46:37] Oh
[16:47:05] <zinid> you can pick whatever port number you want
[16:47:20] <zinid> if you don't want redirect, then you should put that port into put/get url
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[17:47:54] https://share.litcc.com/i/JHgwgJnBvma04xjG/BlMbTiC0Sg2Y20rLVWhFvA.jpg
[17:48:25] https://share.litcc.com/i/o9Dr2v2TPXmJ1xHE/-_kbbXRhSN2xDoivLVtmYg.jpg
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[17:48:57] Why can't I send it?
[17:49:11] <zinid> what's in the log?
[17:49:22] <zinid> do you see slot allocation?
[17:52:03] <zinid> I think something is wrong with either put_url or get_url or port
[17:58:22] https://share.litcc.com/i/3QWQ2qZKu1yvKLOq/ejabberd.log
[17:59:39] <zinid> you have 4 errors in the config
[18:00:51] <zinid> from the log I see `request_handlers` are configured incorrectly, no surprise you don't have it working
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[18:05:18] Yeah, yes, I wrote less of a "/"
[18:05:48] <zinid> you should also respect indentation
[18:05:54] <zinid> YAML is indentation dependent
[18:06:21] it's good now
[18:06:30] <zinid> it works now?
[18:07:12] Well, I am concerned about indentation
[18:07:18] yes
[18:07:28] <zinid> congrats
[18:07:54] Thank you!
[18:08:42] There are several questions to ask, I am a bit obsessive-compulsive, there are errors in the log, but I do not know how to solve
[18:09:15] <zinid> I see only configuration related errors
[18:09:27] <zinid> 2018-03-11 01:54:26.794 [error] <0.329.0>@gen_mod:validate_opt:561 ignoring invalid value ''Discipline'' for option 'iqdisc' of module 'mod_roster'
2018-03-11 01:54:26.838 [error] <0.329.0>@gen_mod:validate_opt:561 ignoring invalid value ''Seconds'' for option 'max_resume_timeout' of module 'mod_stream_mgmt'
[18:09:30] <zinid> these ones?
[18:09:57] yes
[18:09:58] <zinid> just remove iqdisc from mod_roster and max_resume_timeout from mod_stream_mgmt
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[18:10:14] <zinid> you don't need them anyway
[18:10:32] <zinid> especially iqdisc, this parameter will be removed in 18.03
[18:11:00] https://share.litcc.com/i/kT6I08gZrhkWV1Tr/a.PNG
[18:11:15] <zinid> ah, inotifywait
[18:11:20] <zinid> apt install inotify-tools
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[18:18:58] Thank you very much,My server is already working!
[18:19:09] <zinid> good 😉
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[18:21:23] I'm going to bed. My side has been 2.30 in the morning. Bye!
[18:21:34] <zinid> good night!
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[22:54:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> nice nice .. got my very own github clone running :)
[22:55:03] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> gitea.ddns.net :)
[22:57:18] <SouL> ThUnD3r|Gr33n, what are you using? Gogs?
[22:57:40] <SouL> Ah wait, Gitea.
[22:58:03] <SouL> I didn't know this :O
[22:58:58] <SouL> Oh, so disappointing, it's a Gogs' fork..
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[23:03:31] <SouL> Sounds that has a good community (as in good people). Worth taking a look I guess, thanks for sharing.
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[23:11:08] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> SouL welcome.. works really nice.. migration of github.. mirrored .. i just tested local git pull and push and it really works like github.
[23:11:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> smooothy :)
[23:11:33] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> gogs has https issue as far as i know.. tried it and it sucked :P
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[23:19:37] <SouL> Glad to hear that, ThUnD3r|Gr33n, nice :)
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[23:39:18] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i tried setting up jitsi.. but i already have gitea running.. now i dunno how to setup he virtual host :(
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[23:44:03] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Nighty night
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