Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, March 26, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[09:47:00] <pod> trying to upgrade from gentoo package manager ejabberd 17.01 to the newest git version:
i use mysql as database and mnesia for mod_carboncopy
i did the mysql database upgrades from the documenation and applied differences in the ejabberd.yml to my configuration
when i start "ejabberdctl live" i get the error:
Error when reading /dev/null/.erlang.cookie
and the process crashes, can somebody point me in the right direction please
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[09:59:40] <Holger> pod: Looks like the home directory of the user running ejabberd is set to /dev/null. Bad idea.
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[10:04:26] <flow> that's due gentoo's jabber-base package
[10:05:05] <Holger> Oh. But you don't have that problem?
[10:05:23] <flow> No, but I don't use mysql for example
[10:05:34] <flow> although erlang.cookie sounds like it's an erlang thing
[10:06:37] <Holger> Yes that's unrelated to SQL.
[10:06:57] <flow> there is possibly some magic somewhere that is missing in the ejabber 18.x ebuilds
[10:07:26] <flow> IMHO the whole jabber-base ebuild is nonsence
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[10:07:56] <Holger> Usually (distributed) Erlang will read/write an $HOME/.erlang-cookie file.
[10:08:15] <Holger> And ejabberdctl won't work without that.
[10:09:04] <Holger> So no idea how this would work with HOME=/dev/null. Except if the HOME variable is modified to point elsewhere or something.
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[10:22:11] <flow> https://github.com/rion-overlay/rion-overlay/blob/master/net-im/ejabberd/files/ejabberd-18.01-ejabberdctl.patch
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[10:24:57] <Holger> Ah.
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[11:04:59] <zinid> flow: I can invite rion here if you like
[11:07:47] <flow> zinid, I already left a commen (mostly for him) at https://bugs.gentoo.org/626260#c15, but it couldn't hurt to have him idle here if he is going to maintain the ejabberd ebuilds
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[12:44:29] <pod> holger: thanks, i sorted it out - works now
[12:46:48] <pod> i set the HOME dir for the jabber user, which is created by the ejabberd ebuild, to /var/spool/jabber
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[16:54:10] <flow> zinid, Holger, how strongly would you prefer something like MIX to send messages as pubsub notifications, i.e. wrapped in <item/> probably using <forwarded/>?
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[17:04:33] <zinid> probably I'm not the right guy to ask, as I'm not a big expert in pubsub or mix 🙂
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[20:47:32] <Holger> flow: I'd have to re-read MIX, it's been a while and I forgot everything.  I think MIX should be based on PubSub as far as possible (and if stuff is missing from 0060, it should be added there), so I wouldn't want to break 0060 re-use just to avoid the syntax overhead.
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[20:51:44] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Holger: will mix er be implemented in clients .. I would love seeing more pub sub in mobile clients
[20:52:35] <flow> Holger, I see your point, but I think that there is a thin line here
[20:53:15] <flow> For example: When sending messages to the channel, would you prefer a standard message stanza to channel@example.org, or would you also use xep60 publish semantics?
[20:53:49] <Holger> The latter.
[20:53:59] <flow> I'm torn between the possible design approaches
[20:54:46] <flow> Ok, so the other extreme compared to current MIX: Do pubsub wherever possible
[20:55:13] <flow> I see that this is tempting and probably also allows to re-use large parts of existing pubsub code
[20:55:36] <Holger> If a group chat is not a typical example of a publish-subscribe pattern, what else is.  So if 0060 won't do the trick (at least for the core functionality), it seems there's something wrong with 0060, to me.
[20:55:48] <flow> I'm all up for drafting a protoxep and implementing the client part, if someone was willing to sponsor the server part :)
[20:56:22] <Holger> Initially I thought this was the main idea behind the MIX design.
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[20:56:32] <Holger> Either I misunderstood or the idea changed.
[20:57:37] <flow> One problem with re-using pubsub everywhere is that xep60 does not include a 'from' in the notifications
[20:58:06] <flow> So you could easily, without an additional mechanism, spoof the sender
[20:58:23] <flow> if it where included just somewhere in the <item/>'s payload
[20:58:59] <flow> (happy to be proven wrong on this, but that is at least how i remember it)
[20:59:09] <Holger> Yup that's the one thing I had in mind when I mentioned updating 0060 :-)
[21:00:44] <flow> So one should draft an item-origin pubsub add-on xep first
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[21:02:08] <Holger> Dunno whether a separate XEP is better than a new 0060 feature.  But yes either way sounds good to me.
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[21:03:35] <rom1dep> flow: which client do you work on?
[21:03:53] <flow> rom1dep, no client, just an client library: smack
[21:04:00] <rom1dep> oh!
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[22:47:32] <zinid> flow: I'm all for normal mix and can implement it
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[22:48:11] <zinid> But I'm not sure what I should implement if we decide to reuse pubsub
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[22:49:21] <zinid> And I agree with Holger: groupchat is a good benchmark for pubsub
[22:50:04] <zinid> If pubsub doesn't pass it, then it's worthless
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[23:17:31] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Ding
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[23:24:30] <JuniorJPDJ> Dong
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[23:34:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> My hooks in conversations are gone
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[23:35:23] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Ok
[23:35:28] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Back again
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