Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, May 2, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[00:39:27] <bowlofeggs> rom1dep: if you run fedora 27+, i try to keep the distro package relatively up to date there
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[08:58:06] <rom1dep> How is the chatsecure notifications story for you in 18.04?
[08:58:45] <rom1dep> It seems not to be working well, maybe even worse than 18.03 for some definition of worse that I can't measure myself
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[09:00:14] <marek> rom1dep‎: are the notifications not arriving or do the CS-iOS clients get too many?
[09:01:13] <rom1dep> I think the too many notifications wave is over now (which led to a friend plain uninstalling the app)
[09:01:24] <rom1dep> so I guess they are just not arriving
[09:03:40] <marek> did you set
    include_body: "New message"
in mod_push?
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[09:09:28] <rom1dep> I have bare default settings, so I think not
[09:09:34] <rom1dep> would that help?
[09:11:40] <rom1dep> do I need to do that for all languages?
[09:11:45] <marek> Yep, thats the change in 18.04
[09:12:19] <marek> nope, the users don't see that message-body. it is being replaced by the original message
[09:12:21] <rom1dep> reload-config does take it or do I need to restart?
[09:12:29] <rom1dep> ok
[09:12:30] <marek> reload should do it
[09:12:32] <marek>   mod_push:
    include_body: "New message"
[09:12:48] <rom1dep> nothing seems to have been printed in the logs about it
[09:13:08] <marek> what logs? changelog? ejabberd.log?
[09:13:21] <rom1dep> ejabberd.log
[09:13:28] <rom1dep> after ejabberdctl reload-config
[09:13:56] <marek> it should still work.
[09:14:18] <rom1dep> let's see :)
[09:14:38] <rom1dep> thanks for the pointer, if it's important then maybe make it a default in the template conf?
[09:17:57] <Holger> rom1dep: Yes you'd only see a [debug] log entry with loglevel 5.
[09:18:29] <rom1dep> Holger: okok :)
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[09:21:47] <Holger> > the users don't see that message-body. it is being replaced by the original message
Actually ChatSecure's app server throws that text away and sends it's own generic "New Message!" text via APNS.  ChatSecure then *attempts* to replace it with the original message body but this may or may not work depending on circumstances and the moon.
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[09:22:43] <Holger> Either way the configured message is ignored, yes.  (By ChatSecure's app server.  Other app servers could use it of course.)
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[09:53:45] <rom1dep> Holger: you have written somewhere the recommended conf for something which could work with both conversations and chatsecure?
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[09:56:06] <Holger> rom1dep: For mod_push?  Just what marek suggested above.
[09:56:16] <rom1dep> OK
[09:56:22] <Holger> And I'd enable mod_push_keepalive: {} if you haven't already.
[09:58:39] <Holger> I'll try to document these things this evening.
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[11:13:59] <zinid> badlop: yes, generate the xdata codec inside xmpp repo, then copy generated erl and hrl
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[11:14:59] <zinid> Or maybe hrl is not needed
[11:16:03] <zinid> No idea
[11:16:17] <zinid> Something wrong with p1_utils?
[11:18:28] <zinid> oops, wrong window ;)
[11:18:59] <zinid> private messages UX in conversations is awesome
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[12:18:57] <zuglufttier> zinid, private messages in mucs are annoying everywhere.
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[12:23:14] <zuglufttier> I'd ditch those completely and make it like this:
zinid from ejabberd@conference.process-one.net wants to talk to you in private.
Do you want to continue?
Attention: This will reveal your JID to zinid.
[12:24:47] <Holger> Just ditch anonymous rooms.
[12:25:16] <zuglufttier> Or that.
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[12:27:07] <zuglufttier> And add a button to clients: Create random account for pseudoanonymity;)
[12:27:23] <Holger> Yup.
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[16:03:19] <rom1dep> So we either encourage a system where we create needless spam (by revealing everyone's JIDs) and/or one in which we can't fight it efficiently (with random JIDs for everyone). Perhaps that was sarcasm.
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[16:06:51] <Holger> No sarcasm on my side. If your spam fighting strategy relies on hiding JIDs then I don't want it. I wanna be able to publish my address.
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[16:15:52] <mightyBroccoli> I think there are 2 main bases here. One that would want to spam detection and possible deletion to be completely on the client side like the AntiSpam Gajim Plugin and the other base would be I dont want this mess on my devices do it serverside. I would think that this has a major downside; false positives. No one wants a message service that drops 1 in x messages in circumstance x. I really like the serverside captcha idea though that could help for a while.
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[16:29:32] <frainz> Hi, I updated a server from 18.01 to 18.03 and migrated the sql-scheme using "ejabberdctl update_sql" afterwards. That threw a few errors and now when some users log in, I get messages like this:
2018-05-02 18:26:42.052 [error] <0.795.1>@ejabberd_sql:check_error:1100 SQL query 'Q102140255' at {mod_mam_sql,98} failed: [{severity,'ERROR'},{code,<<"23502">>},{message,<<"null value in column \"server_host\" violates not-null constraint">>},{detail,<<"Failing row contains (frainz, 1525278402050590, frainz@postadigitale.org, frainz@postadigitale.org, <message xml:lang='en' to='frainz@postadigitale.org' from='frain..., , 245408, chat, , 2018-05-02 18:26:42.051719, null).">>},{115,<<"public">>},{116,<<"archive">>},{99,<<"server_host">>},{file,<<"execMain.c">>},{line,1699},{routine,<<"ExecConstraints">>}]
2018-05-02 18:26:42.151 [error] <0.514.1>@ejabberd_sql:check_error:1100 SQL query 'Q74939267' at {mod_offline_sql,61} failed: [{severity,'ERROR'},{code,<<"23502">>},{message,<<"null value in column \"server_host\" violates not-null constraint">>},{detail,<<"Failing row contains (frainz, <message xml:lang='en' to='frainz@fem-net.de/gajim.Y1T7E4UI_' fr..., 192900, 2018-05-02 18:26:42.150251, null).">>},{115,<<"public">>},{116,<<"spool">>},{99,<<"server_host">>},{file,<<"execMain.c">>},{line,1699},{routine,<<"ExecConstraints">>}]
I'm pretty sure, I broke the sql-scheme during the updtate. Do you have any ideas, how to fix this?
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[16:44:43] <rom1dep> Holger: agreed, I do want to be able to share my jid as well, that doesn't mean I want to leave it "unprotected" in areas where it's too damn easy to crawl (like a popular MUC). I generally "obfuscate" my email by s/@/(at) for instance. That's naive and imperfect, gets the bulk of the bots away, though. There wouldn't even be a first layer of filtering in an "all open" mode like you suggest
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[17:25:01] <Holger> rom1dep: I don't really like the (at) thing either (addresses should be clickable), but either way you can hardly compare that to the complexity/problems you get by adding an anonymization layer to a group chat protocol.
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[17:32:25] <zuglufttier> JIDs should be something that can be published without thinking about it. The problem to solve is to differentiate between spam and ham, like always ;)
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[17:34:16] <zuglufttier> It applies to every messaging system, it's nowhere solved. Those messengers that use phone numbers are a bit better in that regard because people don't put their phone number in public spaces easily.
[17:38:21] <Licaon_Kter> zuglufttier: I'd say the other way around, _because it's harder to get a new number once you get on a spam list_
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[17:40:51] <zuglufttier> Licaon_Kter: True. So, xmpp accounts can be created only once by using your DNA.
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[17:41:23] <zuglufttier> That would certainly help a bit.
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[17:55:36] <Licaon_Kter> 🙄
[17:57:36] <zuglufttier> I mean look at the evolution: It's all based on messaging and transporting the DNA to the next vessel and some extra information.
[17:58:01] <zuglufttier> It just takes some time.
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[19:47:12] <bammes> I dont understand, what 18.03 does with the new sql schema
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[19:47:30] <bammes> we just migrated our schema to the new one
[19:47:40] <bammes> setting the respective option in the config
[19:47:50] <bammes> and ejabberdctl update_sql or so
[19:48:37] <bammes> what happened: ejabberd did not set the server_host column in its queries when trying to write
[19:49:04] <bammes> so all queries failed with not not allowed constraints
[19:50:13] <bammes> what we reconstructed from the migration script was, that the new server_host column was created with DEFAULT 'default_vhost_domain'
[19:50:26] <bammes> but one step after that, this default was dropped in the same script
[19:51:03] <bammes> we got it to run, after we set the default in all tables to our one and only vhost
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