Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, May 8, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[02:41:20] <alacer> Holger, zinid:
> zinid: Should it be possible to have different certificates for subdomain.example.com vs. example.com?
For a new deployment would a wildcard certificate for any domain.tld would work? and we could use it for all Sub Domains in ejabberd?
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[05:16:38] <zinid> alacer: yes, I think so
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[05:22:56] <alacer> zinid: Thanks...
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[07:57:20] <mightyBroccoli> Holger, is that special branded/paid version or self compiled and messed with to get this?
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[08:03:32] <Holger> mightyBroccoli: You mean conversation.im? It's running the community edition self-compiled with a few local patches.
[08:04:16] <Holger> 18.04.9-conversations.im is 18.04 plus the next 9 upstream commits plus local modifications.
[08:04:25] <mightyBroccoli> yeah I meant the version reply that looks really nice :D
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[08:07:10] <Holger> Yes by default it would say something like 18.04.15 (assuming 6 local commits), it's more useful to show the just the number of upstream commits.
[08:07:40] <Holger> And this way I notice immediately if I compiled the wrong branch 😁
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[08:39:09] <rom1dep> Already 9 upstream commits?
[08:39:34] <rom1dep> I'm so behind on everything...
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[08:45:01] <Holger> rom1dep: You're using the totally outdated 18.04 release or what?
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[08:49:09] <rom1dep> Yeah !
[08:49:13] <rom1dep> Shame on me
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[09:46:08] <Holger> zinid: I think the 'extauth_instances' default was 1, maybe it's unsafe to default to multiple instances now?
[09:46:27] <Holger> Not sure all script are "thread-safe".
[09:47:14] <Holger> Well usually they are I guess.
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[09:47:49] <zinid> Holger: the only problem might occur on remove_user and try_register
[09:48:10] <zinid> Anyway, we will mention that in release notes
[09:48:23] <Holger> Well my script writes things on authentication as well :-)
[09:48:34] <Holger> Yah good solution.
[09:50:07] <zinid> Well I think it makes sense to write the script in thread-safe mode, it's 2018 after all with even phones having several cores. Anyway, I don't consider this as a regression
[09:50:38] <zinid> You can always set it to 1
[09:50:59] <Holger> Yup ok.
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[09:51:25] <zinid> I think by default we should be performant
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[09:52:57] <Holger> I'm convinced already.  I guess my case is special, there may well be no second script in use with this problem.  If it's in the release notes we can quote them if someone complains.
[09:53:14] <zinid> Yep
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[09:54:39] <zinid> Btw, now you can change the pool size on the fly 😁
[09:54:55] <zinid> Took me a while to implement this...
[09:55:11] <Holger> Very cool.
[09:55:43] <Holger> All your work on making it possible to change stuff on the fly is extremely useful to me.
[09:56:14] <zinid> Yeah, same for our saas instances 😀
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[09:56:51] <zinid> This reduces a number if scripts because you only need to reload
[09:57:22] <Holger> Yeah, très chic.
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[10:03:45] <zinid> Holger: btw, would be great if you can test new extauth code before release, since you're already using it 😋
[10:04:02] <Holger> Yes I'll do for sure.
[10:06:08] <Holger> !version jabber.fu-berlin.de
[10:06:09] <Servant> Holger: jabber.fu-berlin.de is running ejabberd version 18.03.42-ZEDAT on unix/linux 3.16.0
[10:06:14] <Holger> Need to updated anyway :-)
[10:06:21] <Holger> *update
[10:07:18] <zinid> 👍
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[12:41:56] <Holger> We currently can't hot-reload NIF libraries right?
[12:42:30] <Holger> Ah maybe I just need to add an upgrade() function to the NIF.
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[13:12:06] <zinid> which is not trivial
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[13:16:56] <Holger> The issue is handling the existing state I guess.
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[13:23:07] <Holger> Right now I'd just like to upgrade fast_tls.beam, not the .so files.  But there's no way I guess.
[13:23:25] <zinid> regarding https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2410
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[13:23:37] <zinid> is it related to https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/1529 ?
[13:23:51] <zinid> his mam configuration:
mod_mam:
  default: always
  enforce_default_auto_save: true
  request_activates_archiving: true
  assume_mam_usage: if_enabled  
[13:24:13] <Holger> Sigh.
[13:24:24] <Holger> Maybe.
[13:24:26] <zinid> oh wait
[13:24:35] <zinid> his mod_mam modules is not inside modules, lol
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[13:24:48] <Holger> enforce_default_auto_save what's that?
[13:24:51] <zinid> sql_type: mysql
sql_server: "localhost"
sql_database: "******"
sql_username: "*******"
sql_password: "*******"
sql_port: 3306
mod_mam:
  default: always
  enforce_default_auto_save: true
  request_activates_archiving: true
  assume_mam_usage: if_enabled  
db_type: mysql
shaper:
  normal: 1000
  fast: 50000
[13:24:53] <zinid> epic :D
[13:24:56] <Holger> Hehe.
[13:26:03] <Holger> enforce_default_auto_save sounds like an option name I invented but I didn't!
[13:26:06] <Holger> 😂
[13:26:18] <zinid> :)
[13:27:19] <edhelas> I start to think that there's too much config variables in ejabberd
[13:27:37] <edhelas> and that you shoudl subdivise, simplify some of them if possible :p
[13:27:48] <zinid> edhelas, I"m all ears
[13:27:51] <mightyBroccoli> I was wondering what this should do but there is nothing in the docu :D hidden variable to magically make mam even better
[13:28:22] <Holger> mightyBroccoli: There's nothing in the source code either.
[13:28:42] <zinid> OK, I just replied to the dude
[13:28:48] <Holger> Thanks.
[13:28:53] <mightyBroccoli> Holger, thats why its magic :D
[13:29:13] <Holger> I'd like to add such an option just to annoy zinid.
[13:29:31] <Holger> maybe_save_some_messages_by_default_except_at_full_moon_hi_zinid = true
[13:30:11] zinid is irritated
[13:30:18] <edhelas> create_random_crashes_if_message_from_movim_hi_holger = true
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[13:30:47] <Holger> zinid: Because you liked #1529 so much.
[13:30:51] <Holger> (And my other hacks.)
[13:30:54] <mightyBroccoli> there needs to be a non listed docu page just to list all these important variables
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[13:32:37] <Holger> Maybe we could deprecate request_activates_archiving, actually.  Now that more and more clients support MAM.
[13:32:53] <Holger> It made most sense when MAM support was an exception.
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[13:33:35] <Holger> Of course somebody will always complain.
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[13:33:40] <zinid> and add `enforce_default_auto_save` instead!
[13:33:46] <Holger> Yes! \o/
[13:34:27] <zinid> seems like mod_mam is your territory, I don't want to put my nose into this :P
[13:34:28] <Holger> Ahh that's a mod_archive option :-)
[13:34:38] <Holger> https://www.ejabberd.im/mod_archive/
[13:35:02] <Holger> This one wasn't my fault, mod_archive was written before I was around!
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[13:38:01] <Holger> Haha look this text could've been written by me as well:
> for example, for personal ejabberd server, until all clients support XEP-136, combination default_auto_save = true, enforce_default_auto_save = false is quite logical [of course it is!], while for some public ejabberd server with lots of users and shortage of disk space default_auto_save = false, enforce_default_auto_save = true might be desirable.
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/blob/721ca125e/mod_archive/src/mod_archive_odbc.erl#L46
[13:38:03] <XEP_Translator> XEP-0136 (Standards Track, Deprecated): Message Archiving - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html
[13:38:34] <zinid> ha
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[13:43:46] <alacer> > Maybe we could deprecate request_activates_archiving, actually.  Now that more and more clients support MAM.
> It made most sense when MAM support was an exception.
Off Course count me...😀😉
[13:44:39] <alacer> > Of course somebody will always complain.
Ya me...😁☺
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[13:45:53] <zinid> And regarding #2410 again, the dude said:
> ... and there is not error in log
Really? How that? He should have got at least configuration errors due to orphaned `mod_mam` option
[13:46:51] <zinid> Here is what I get:
16:46:31.390 [info] Loading configuration from /home/xram/git/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml
16:46:32.641 [error] unknown option 'mod_mam' will be likely ignored
16:46:32.641 [error] unknown option 'db_type' will be likely ignored
[13:47:01] <zinid> "no errors", my ass
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[13:48:11] <zinid> damn, admins became fucking retards
[13:48:16] zinid is irritated again
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[13:50:09] <zinid> should we just stop ejabberd on unknown/malformed options?
[13:50:28] <alacer> zinid: Well neutrality.. most admins are just better geeks but to understand a communication software takes more...
[13:50:49] <zinid> alacer, but you should be able at least to `grep error /path/to/ejabberd.log`
[13:50:54] <zinid> that's my main concern
[13:51:13] <Holger> Just yesterday I wasted dunno-how-much-time on http_upload support even though the ejabberd.log *clearly* stated the problem right from the beginning.
[13:51:19] <Holger> https://github.com/ForNeVeR/Kaiwa/issues/218#issuecomment-387038488
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[13:51:53] <Holger> zinid: Sounds good to me, there's probably no reason we should ignore malformed config.
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[13:52:59] <alacer> > alacer, but you should be able at least to `grep error /path/to/ejabberd.log`
> that's my main concern
That's why they're the better geeks...😀😂
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[13:54:18] <zinid> Holger, yes, seems like right now we have all options described in the validators, so probably we'll go for it
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[14:30:59] <Holger> Tracking down why our server is sometimes picking the wrong cert for outgoing s2s is tricky.
[14:32:10] <Holger> fast_tls:tcp_to_tls/2 is called with the correct {certfile, Path}.  And then fast_tls.so picks the wrong one (it'll complain if you remove the wrong PEM file it's trying to pick).
[14:33:33] <Holger> AFAICS this only happens with a single destination and only with some sender domains.
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[14:34:39] <Holger> Can't reproduce it on my test server.  And can't really play with fast_tls on the production server :-/
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[14:36:32] <zinid> Sad
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[15:49:31] <Holger> This *cannot happen* dammit.
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[15:51:26] <zinid> Try harder!
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[15:55:07] <Holger> Yeah.
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[16:01:18] <zinid> Seems like you're the only one finding bugs in ejabberd, because GitHub is flooded with support questions 😁
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[16:04:00] <Holger> Hah.
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[17:16:16] <mightyBroccoli> just to be 100% sure I need to restart the service when upgrading from 18.01 to 18.03 or could I use the ejabberdctl upgrade function?
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[17:16:45] <zinid> you cannot use it from release to release
[17:16:54] <zinid> *to migrate from
[17:17:03] <zinid> so you need restart :/
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[17:20:53] <mightyBroccoli> hmm thats a bummer I think I wait for 18.04 in any repo and then I upgrade :D I dont want to upgrade and upgrade again 3 days later :D
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[17:31:48] <rom1dep> mightyBroccoli: a kitten dies during the server restart (which takes couple of seconds)?
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[17:32:31] <zinid> yes, and one user is converted to whatsapp
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[17:35:16] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: nono, users don't see restarts, they've closed ChatSecure anyway (I meon Whatsapp does not *need* to stay open) 🤷
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[18:43:52] <debalance> Hi, is there a 18.05 release planned/schedule?
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[18:45:43] <Holger> Not planned, AFAIK.
[18:48:33] <debalance> Okay, then I'll try to get packages for 18.04 in shape over the next couple days :)
[18:48:46] <debalance> including backports
[18:53:29] <zinid> seems like there won't be 18.05
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[18:58:03] <mightyBroccoli> debalance: that sounds awesome 👍
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[19:07:19] <ludo> debalance: \o/ thanks!
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[19:19:22] <zinid> Holger, ping?
[19:19:28] <zinid> Holger, is siacs.eu fine?
[19:19:44] <zinid> Holger, I have "No route to host", traceroute shows some crap
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[19:23:09] <zinid> https://gist.github.com/zinid/1b819b290b40bcd37d22d6a3020f8f23
[19:24:59] <Holger> zinid: Our hoster is doing maintenance, it seems.
[19:25:09] <zinid> right in time
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[19:26:27] <mightyBroccoli> zinid, thats what rom1dep meant with a kitten dies during restart...
[19:26:52] <zinid> 😀
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[19:30:07] <rom1dep> 😉
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[20:05:41] <Holger> !uptime conversations.im
[20:05:42] <Servant> Holger: conversations.im has been running for 0 days, 0 hours and 7 minutes
[20:06:02] <zinid> restarted?
[20:06:19] <Holger> Yes the VM was restarted.
[20:06:33] <zinid> hum, seems like I cannot join
[20:06:40] <zinid> ah, joined now
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[20:30:39] <edhelas> Holger in MAM, if I want to retrieve the 200 latest messages I just put a 'end' limit with a RSM filter to 200 ?
[20:33:15] <Holger> edhelas: <before/> (without ID) and max=200.  The server might return less so you might have to page backwards until you have 200 messages.
[20:34:04] <zinid> edhelas, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#last
[20:34:04] <XEP_Translator> XEP-0059 (Standards Track, Draft): Result Set Management - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html
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[20:34:37] <edhelas> ok
[20:34:39] <edhelas> thx
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