Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, May 9, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[02:29:29] <alacer> > Okay, then I'll try to get packages for 18.04 in shape over the next couple days :)
> including backports
Thanks..👍
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[08:55:37] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/35a076c2517bf36ff5afb5bb38a674291a1ec607
[08:58:58] <debalance> thx!
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[11:24:46] <edhelas> that's a nice feature this MUC vcard thing <3
[11:24:56] <edhelas> easy to implement
[11:28:21] <edhelas> ping zinid
[11:28:34] <edhelas> would it be possible to have vcards/avatars for Pubsub nodes ?
[11:28:58] <zinid> edhelas, we discussed this in the mail list, no?
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[11:32:46] <zinid> Also, how to notify about avatar change?
[11:33:02] <zinid> Pubsub nodes don't send presences
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[12:33:37] <debalance> To everybody who uses ejabberd on Debian: please make sure you have popularity-contest installed and activated, I don't like this trend: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=ejabberd
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[12:37:09] <debalance> Howto: apt-get install popularity-contest && dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest
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[12:43:10] <Holger> Prosody caught up!
[12:43:15] <Holger> https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=ejabberd%2C+prosody&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&beenhere=1
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[12:43:40] <Holger> Wouldn't have expected those trends.
[12:45:46] <zinid> No surprise, having extremely outdated ejabberd version in Debian for years didn't play nice for us
[12:45:57] <Licaon_Kter> debalance: 2014-01 golden age 😁
What happened then? Debian releases had something to do? Ubuntu releases? Were packages back then always up to date? Where backports too?
Many questions
[12:47:34] <Holger> My fault, I started working on ejabberd in 2014.
[12:48:37] <Holger> I think the Debian package was totally outdated *before* that time, but then came debalance and brought it up-to-date.
[12:48:46] <zinid> Ha, I somewhat started too (previously I focused on commercial version)
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[12:49:23] <zinid> Holger: yes, debalance improved the situation a lot
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[12:53:58] <debalance> zinid: the weird thing is that the peak was reached when the outdated package was finally updated by me
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[12:54:21] <zinid> debalance: indeed, that's strange
[12:54:52] <debalance> maybe people were annoyed they had to update their packages ^^
[12:55:22] <zinid> But IIRC the outdated version still kept for a while in stable
[12:56:33] <debalance> yes, the first stable release with current ejabberd was Jessie in April 2015
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[13:00:29] <debalance> the only time I prepared backports for wheezy (the stable release before Jessie) was in March 2017
[13:01:21] <zinid> But the trend didn't change at all
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[13:01:31] <zinid> Seems like unrelated then
[13:03:08] <mightyBroccoli> debalance: does this mean the package is nearly finished?
[13:03:26] <debalance> nah, far from it
[13:03:43] <debalance> it's just not helping my motivation ;)
[13:04:42] <debalance> I'm running 3 different ejabberd installations myself alone
[13:05:05] <debalance> ejabberd's loss roughly meets prosody's plus, so most likely people just switched over
[13:05:24] <debalance> or people become more privacy aware and disabled popcon
[13:05:58] <debalance> also my packages in Debian are the base for those in Ubuntu and those from jabber.at
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[13:11:03] <Holger> Prosody was of course popular in the past, many switched from ejabberd to Prosody, but my impression was this changed quite a bit over the past few years.
[13:13:31] <rom1dep> It's because you guys made it too damn simple for idiots like me to run a server knowing nothing about xmpp
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[13:17:57] <Licaon_Kter> debalance: status on ARM? Eg. ARMv6 aka RPi and etc
[13:19:32] <debalance> don't know which RPi uses which arm architecture, but generally it's available: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=ejabberd
[13:19:46] <debalance> armel, armhf and arm64
[13:21:16] <Licaon_Kter> True, albeit I ended up compiling from git without any debian specific patches (on Raspbian). I don't recall the issue exctly though, I'll try to retest why exactly.
[13:22:05] <debalance> the older RPi models where arm with soft-float, a special case not covered by Debian
[13:22:17] <debalance> armhf = hard float
[13:23:17] <Licaon_Kter> Nope, when they went EABI or something it switched to hardfloat, even ARMv6
[13:23:23] <Licaon_Kter> IIRC
[13:24:08] <debalance> I know some people who killed their raspbian by adding the wrong arm arch from debian ;)
[13:25:37] <Licaon_Kter> debalance: killed? Hard to beiieve
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[13:26:08] <debalance> you cannot execute armhf compiled binaries on the RPi 1
[13:27:13] <debalance> killed raspbian != killed their RPi ;)
[13:29:38] <Licaon_Kter> Right...read too fast...😂
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[13:52:21] <zinid> > It's because you guys made it too damn simple for idiots like me to run a server knowing nothing about xmpp
Still too hard to configure, especially stuff related to HTTP
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[13:52:40] <zinid> And doomed ACLs
[13:53:43] <zinid> Ah, and mod_mam has several obscure options and is not enabled by default because mnesia is crap
[13:54:14] zinid looks at Holger
[13:55:19] <edhelas> > drop mnesia
> use postgresql
> problem fixed
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[13:56:08] <Holger> Yes I suggested ditching Mnesia support for MAM and PubSub in the past.
[13:59:20] <zinid> edhelas: pgsql will not simplify server configuration for sure 🤔
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[14:03:24] <zinid> And sqlite eats memory, damn
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[14:04:38] <edhelas> running ejabberd with a few thousands users on sqlite 😂
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[14:05:25] <edhelas> !version process-one.net
[14:05:28] <Servant> edhelas: process-one.net is running ejabberd version 18.3.0 on unix/linux 4.9.10
[14:05:37] <edhelas> so vintage
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[14:05:46] <Holger> I keep hearing bad things about SQLite.  No idea why it seems to perform so bad.
[14:05:55] <zinid> edhelas: I don't mean such deployment, I mean localhost admins with family servers
[14:06:11] <Holger> Otherwise SQLite would be a nice easy-to-setup fallback for small sites.
[14:06:18] <edhelas> Holger Sqlite is perfectly fine for small database usages, like for a local app or a self-hosted server (family…) :)
[14:06:28] <edhelas> but don't expect to scale it up very far
[14:07:10] <zinid> I need to give it a try and to make some tests, eventually
[14:07:12] <edhelas> I'm even wondering if Movim can be setup on Sqlite 🤔
[14:07:28] <edhelas> Movim over Mnesia
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[14:12:13] <Licaon_Kter> debalance: ^^^^^^^
[14:12:22] <Licaon_Kter> https://account.draugr.de/media/http_upload/i9w1whKkqVEkDbREKnjIaadYqEqRdXFV/hO3NTZLWTe-qE7NKKDAhCw.jpg
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[14:14:27] <edhelas> that screenshot
[14:14:31] <debalance> Licaon_Kter, you should have no problem then
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[14:17:44] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: waat? 🤷
[14:17:56] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: dude you have zero processors 😂
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[14:18:32] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: true, only 12mins to compile ejabberd though
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[16:29:52] <adrien> Hello community :)
[16:30:24] <adrien> Thanks for the good job, ejabberd is a cool xmpp server !
[16:34:15] <adrien> Could someone can help me to understand a line of my ejabberd log ? I'm not sure how to understand it.
[16:37:14] <JuniorJPDJ> ..maybe you should try to paste it here?
[16:37:27] <JuniorJPDJ> adrien
[16:38:12] <adrien> yes, indeed, that's one:
Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication chat.swisslinux.org -> adorsaz.ch (::FFFF:213.162.22.228): certificate has expired
[16:38:57] <adrien> I understand a TLS certificate has expired, but I don't know if that on the chat.swisslinux.org server or on the mine adorsaz.ch ?
[16:39:14] <JuniorJPDJ> his
[16:39:18] <JuniorJPDJ> not your own
[16:40:10] <adrien> cool, thanks ! Now I can go further with talking to their system administrator :)
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[16:41:36] <Holger> adrien: You can add 'mod_s2s_dialback: {}' to your modules list if you didn't already and want to ignore the issue.
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[16:44:28] <adrien> well, I've already this module enabled, but I continue to have issue to connect to their chat rooms.
[16:44:47] <Holger> Then I suppose there's another unrelated problem.
[16:45:32] <adrien> That's a bit wired: I can connect to the chatroom, but, after some time, it becomes "read only": I can't send reliably new message to them, but I continue to see new ones coming.
[16:46:36] <adrien> Thanks for the hint, I certainly have other issue. Maybe ipv6 :)
[16:47:00] <Holger> adrien: There are separate connections for incoming and outgoing traffic, seems like only your outgoing connection is failing.
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[16:52:41] <adrien> oh yeah, and indeed, that's funny, it seems I have one connection on IPv4 and the other on IPv6:
2018-05-09 18:15:15.634 [info] <0.6901.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_success:217 (tls|<0.6901.0>) Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication adorsaz.ch -> chat.swisslinux.
org (213.162.22.228)
2018-05-09 18:15:15.663 [info] <0.6900.0>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_success:187 (tls|<0.6900.0>) Accepted inbound s2s dialback authentication chat.swisslinux.org -> adorsaz.c
h (::FFFF:213.162.22.228)
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[16:59:49] <adrien> Ah, I found the issue: I have outbound s2s connections that regulary timeout. So it's certainly an issue on my side with my firewall / router configuration. Very interesting, thanks for the hints !
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[17:00:13] <adrien> (while the inbound connections doesn't seem to have issues)
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[17:01:24] <Holger> Timeouts are normal if the connection is idle.
[17:02:06] <Holger> Question is whether/why establishing a new connection fails when you send a groupchat message.
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[17:03:50] <adrien> ok, as I've restarted ejabberd (18.01) an hour ago, I have not any more the issue. I'll try to check logs next time.
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[17:57:59] <zinid> adrien, both are IPv4, it's just different formatting
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[18:49:13] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Ai
[18:49:26] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[18:49:29] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n®: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 18.03.42 on unix/linux 3.4.113
[18:49:35] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Argggg
[18:50:06] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Holger: lol....i pulled latest got commits and still 18.03?
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[18:50:07] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> 😂
[18:51:31] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Maybe it hasn't been tagged ?
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[19:05:51] <zinid> probably you didn't run autogen.sh
[19:06:06] <zinid> most likely you're running recent version, it's just not displayed correctly
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[20:12:14] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[20:12:16] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n®: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 18.03.42 on unix/linux 3.4.113
[20:12:22] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Fuck offfff
[20:12:30] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Is autogen.SH needed ?
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[20:39:06] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[20:39:08] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n®: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 18.04.19 on unix/linux 3.4.113
[20:39:12] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Jihaaaaaaa
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[20:46:08] <debalance> Progress on this front as well: https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/commit/e39c536169033c2823ea66ca59a0961d4ca10bc6
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[20:53:43] <edhelas> Holger Movim can now sets avatars for chatrooms :p
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[20:58:55] <debalance> zinid, this should make it easier to spot when Debian users directly spam the upstream issue tracker instead of using the Debian BTS: https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/commit/13af05da6b45e46228d43c3a4a1c6f13a1759e91
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[21:10:35] <Neustradamus> edhelas: any news for caps?
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[21:38:44] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> edhelas, Neustradamus, debalance, Holger: I confirm
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