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[02:31:35] <Alacer> Thanks Guys, Finally during upgrade my ejabbed configuration got messes up. I have no clue how but apparently I compared old 1804 config to the new 1806 and only kept the new relevant items i.e. mod_irc disabled. So the certificate pointed and Dhparams path were overwritten. Finally got things fixed and working...
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[04:55:09] <robert_mobil> Alacer: when i moved from 18.04 to 18.06 also my config got replaced by the default one...
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[04:58:13] <Alacer> robert_mobil: But did you choose to keep package maintainer version or Old Current version???
[04:59:22] <robert_mobil> Alacer: Actually i was not asked, it was just replaced. I thought i accidentally made something wrong
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[05:01:21] <robert_mobil> (Ubuntu 18.04)
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[05:03:22] <robert_mobil> I just wanted to mention, as i saw this also, but didn't further think of it, until you mentioned this...
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[05:06:56] <Alacer> robert_mobil: For me It was Debian and it always asks. So I Did compared and tried to keep old config and overwrite some of the new defaults. So its not an ejabbed issue and it may be me as others got upgraded easily so it is  not believed to  package maintainer either...
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[05:09:58] <robert_mobil> Should be the same with ubuntu :-) but just as a reference, in case that anyone else sees a similar thing...
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[05:40:34] <Licaon_Kter> robert_mobil: you might have an option to "always accept maintainer version" toggled on, see your `/etc/apt/...` files.
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[06:02:54] <debalance> robert_mobil: Ubuntu - which package are you using then?
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[06:15:35] <robert_mobil> On my way to work... Back in some time
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[06:17:59] <Licaon_Kter> robert_mobil: and even if that happened, it was replaced not removed, you should have an ejabberd.yml_old in the same folder
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[07:12:45] <robert_mobil> Ok i took the deb package from processone download page. No .old file was created. Apt is default configuration and i didnt't change anything to always use maintainers version. Same steps worked fine for 18.01 to 18.04. and of course there's a high chance on misbehavior on the user side. So i just wanted to reference this, in case someone also also sees it.
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[08:10:32] <Holger> robert_mobil: At some point (forgot which release it was) the ProcessOne changed the setup. Originally it installed everything, including configs, logs and stuff below e.g. /opt/ejabberd-17.09. When you upgraded it installed a new tree below e.g. /opt/ejabberd-17.12. It was your job to move the configuration from /opt/ejabberd-17.09/conf to /opt/ejabberd-17.12.
[08:12:52] <Holger> robert_mobil: Now it installs everything below e.g. /opt/ejabberd-18.06. This includes an /opt/ejabberd-18.06/conf directory with default configuration files which are *not* used. The package now also creates an /opt/ejabberd/conf directory which *is* used and which is not overwritten during updates.
[08:13:02] <Holger> Or at least that's the idea.
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[08:15:43] <robert_mobil> Holger: thanks. Yes that's how i understood it. And it worked for the other upgrade. So the chance if user error is high i suppose :-)
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[08:16:50] <Holger> How exactly did it fail now? /opt/ejabberd/conf was overwritten?
[08:21:00] <robert_mobil> Yes
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[08:27:11] <Holger> Then maybe the package is borked ...
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[09:46:32] <aditya_borikar> does anyone know where i would find wroot ?
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[10:08:46] <madmalkav> Ummm, shared_roster_ldap documentation uses %g several times but it doesn't explains what that is exactly
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[10:13:05] <prefiks> %g groupname, %u username i believe
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[10:24:28] <madmalkav> Ok. I have to figure out how to make the module to show the users from the same OU than the user. But I think I will have lunch before that
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[12:30:07] <madmalkav> Ummmm, if I'm understanding the docs correctly, I can't do that
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[12:52:07] <Alacer> How to create an echo account as JID echo.domain.tld is not acceptable to Clients
[12:53:50] <Holger> Not sure why it's not acceptable, but you could build a simple echo bot.
[12:53:59] <Holger> http://slixmpp.readthedocs.io/getting_started/echobot.html#echobot-complete
[12:55:37] <Holger> Alacer: echo@jabber.fu-berlin.de runs similar code.
[12:58:27] <Alacer> Holger: Ya but how did it was configured on server side as account since I have mod_echo{}
[12:58:45] <Alacer> Holger: By the way it works like a charm
[12:59:03] <Holger> Alacer: You can't tell mod_echo to use a user JID.
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[13:03:56] <Alacer> So how to use it as the help is not much. Thanks in advance for advice
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[13:05:46] <Holger> "mod_echo: {}"
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[13:08:20] <Holger> All you can do is give it a JID such as "mirror.example.org" instead of the default "echo.example.org", as mentioned in the docs:
[13:08:34] <Holger> mod_echo:
  host: "mirror.example.org"
[13:09:03] <Holger> You can't give it a JID such as "echo@example.org", but I said so already :-)
[13:09:52] <Alacer> So the JID is auto created. Like if I send message to echo@mydomain.tld it would work. Yes Inhave tried it but whennin conversations I enter echo.mydomain.tld it doesn't take it as valid JID since domain part is Missing
[13:10:25] <Alacer> Like i tried the mentioned mod_ech: Config
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[13:11:30] <Holger> > when in conversations I enter echo.mydomain.tld it doesn't take it as valid JID
Works for me.
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[13:12:47] <Holger> But yes it's confusing to users.  So I wouldn't use mod_echo.
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[13:13:38] <Alacer> Holger: So you have a bot on the backed of
> Alacer: echo@jabber.fu-berlin.de runs similar code.
[13:13:56] <Holger> Yes, as I said.
[13:14:01] <Alacer> Or its a mirroring JID...
[13:14:25] <Holger> You lost me.
[13:14:31] <Alacer> It's one of the best connectivity test i have on Mobile network
[13:15:06] <Alacer> ok
[13:15:07] <Holger> As I said, echo@jabber.fu-berlin.de is a bot such as <http://slixmpp.readthedocs.io/getting_started/echobot.html#echobot-complete>.
[13:15:22] <Alacer> Holger: Thanks...
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[13:15:56] <Holger> If you don't like Python, there's also a bot written in sed: https://github.com/horazont/xmpp-echo-bot :-)
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[13:19:54] <Alacer> > If you don't like Python, there's also a bot written in sed: https://github.com/horazont/xmpp-echo-bot :-)
Thanks... But I have neutral views about python... It depends on Application... But Thanks again for always being such a great help... 😊
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[14:40:29] <nosnilmot> *blink* xmpp client written in sed? nice!
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[14:51:48] <bowlofeggs> hahaha
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[15:32:14] <Holger> Yay, stumbled over another corner case where messages will be duplicated into MAM.
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[15:39:09] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: _fight the good fight of message over-reliability!_
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[15:45:47] <Holger> Fixing this is no problem, but this stuff is so insane.
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[15:46:48] <Holger> Whenever I run into these things I wonder why on earth I didn't just switch to Matrix years ago.
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[15:47:01] <Holger> Then I look at Matrix and remember.
[15:47:08] <bammes> :D
[15:47:24] <zash> Would you like some blockchain with that?
[15:47:39] <Holger> Yes!  It can't get worse.
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[15:49:21] <MattJ> This is from the Matrix channel the other day:
[15:49:51] <MattJ> 20:39:40 anjaguar[m]> hey guys, I have a question. If I bring an old homeserver out of mothballs what would or should I expect to happen once I get it back on the internet?
22:03:48 Matthew[m]> it will thrash cpu for a while (prolly 10-20 mins depending on how active it was and how fast the box is) and then settle down and continue
[15:50:22] <MattJ> Just swapping one bunch of technical compromises for another bunch
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[15:50:37] <edhelas> MattJ and we are complaining about MAM that is painful to sync back
[15:50:46] <zash> sync is pain
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[15:55:03] <Holger> MattJ: Yeah I see a bunch of problems with Matrix; I don't like their governance model, I don't like their monolithic ad-hoc protocol, I don't like their software.  But other than that it's awesome!
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[15:56:43] <MattJ> I also saw someone requesting the ability to embed LaTeX for math equations in messages, and being told that they are working towards an "extensible event format" to be able to accomodate things like that
[15:57:15] <zash> Is there any proof that they aren't just repeating all the mistakes and stuff of Jabber/XMPP?
[15:57:16] <Holger> zash: Sync is always pain, but our pain is worse, because we try to do both replica sync while maintaining compatibility with fire-and-forget messaging.
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[16:00:06] <Holger> zash: I think that's precisely what they're doing, only worse because they started off with the assumption that a monolithic protocol will avoid problems rather than making them worse.  It's just the replica sync that's way more straightforward for them, as everything is based on MAM rather than adding it as an afterthought.
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[16:01:00] <zash> Myeah, things added as afterthoughts tend to be painful. Carbons, MAM, OMEMO ...
[16:01:31] <Holger> Right.  Then again we're proud of being able to add afterthoughts!  (Me included.)
[16:02:07] <Licaon_Kter> They can extend with MEPs or smth later though?
[16:02:21] <Licaon_Kter> (as XEPs lol)
[16:02:37] <zash> Licaon_Kter: Wouldn't be surprising
[16:03:10] <Licaon_Kter> I mean no one can think of ALL the possibilities of what the future brings.
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[16:21:06] <zinid> > MattJ: Yeah I see a bunch of problems with Matrix; I don't like their governance model, I don't like their monolithic ad-hoc protocol, I don't like their software.  But other than that it's awesome!
😁
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[16:22:34] <zinid> BTW, the more I develop mqtt the more I think it's shit
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[16:23:46] <zinid> Really, no errors reporting (good luck debugging), no access control (everyone can publish/subscribe to nodes they like)
[16:23:50] <zinid> Insanity
[16:24:14] <zinid> Stupid inefficient matching rules
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[16:25:31] <Holger> Yay.  Good to know everything else is insane as well.
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[16:26:34] <zinid> for example, you need to keep all published topic names in RAM
[16:26:55] <zinid> otherwise you cannot match them efficiently
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[16:27:36] <zinid> you cannot even use sophisticated indexing, because a client can always subscribe to all topic names using meta '#' symbol
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[16:28:25] <zinid> fuck, this is retarded
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[16:29:22] <zash> MattJ: Didn't you have MQTT rants too?
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[16:30:32] <MattJ> Yep, it's not a nice protocol
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[16:32:03] <zinid> this one is fucking epic:
> If a Server implementation does not authorize a PUBLISH to be performed by a Client; it has no way of informing that Client. It MUST either make a positive acknowledgement, according to the normal QoS rules, or close the Network Connection
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[16:32:28] <zinid> the handbook how NOT to write network protocols
[16:34:23] <zinid> the protocol doesn't describe corner cases at all, for example what to do when you receive an acknowledgement of the packet you have not sent
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[16:36:42] <zinid> all these limit the protocol to a very narrow use simple everyone-is-friend use cases
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[19:09:39] <Holger> > <Holger> Yay, stumbled over another corner case where messages will be duplicated into MAM.
Goddammit I had fixed this already, LESS THAN SIX WEEKS AGO!  I remember NOTHING.  Alzheimer.
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[19:10:10] <Holger> (<https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/bb76da03ea3>)
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[19:13:08] <zinid> Take pills
[19:13:26] <Licaon_Kter> Fix the fix breaks it back?
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[19:30:22] <Holger> Git said "cherry-pick is empty" when I applied the new fix to 'master' because the new commit was identical to the old one.
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[19:30:31] <Holger> !version jabber.fu-berlin.de
[19:30:33] <Servant> Holger: jabber.fu-berlin.de is running ejabberd version 18.04.35-ZEDAT on unix/linux 4.9.0
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[20:52:32] <Holger> nosnilmot: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/4f8af723c6fc#diff-edd5be73a8be16780786318f0f983ce0L244
[20:53:13] <Holger> nosnilmot: Did you ditch the case for validate_credentials/2 not returning {ok, ...} on purpose?
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[21:49:06] Holger leaves the room: Stream closed by us: system-shutdown
[21:50:57] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
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[21:59:53] zinid leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
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[22:07:15] frainz leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Client acknowledged more stanzas than sent by server (undefined-condition)
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[22:16:52] Dominik Paulus leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
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[22:31:55] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:32:51] erik leaves the room: Connection failed: connection closed
[22:44:39] Dominik Paulus leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:51:48] jere leaves the room: Disconnected: Replaced by new connection
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[23:16:54] Dominik Paulus leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
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[23:28:22] joekokker leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
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[23:43:26] go777go leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:46:05] ulrich leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
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[23:49:40] frainz leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[23:56:21] sindrake leaves the room
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