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[02:57:54] <Alacer> zinid: Well MQTT was developed for industrial sensors where the cases like who subscribes which topic was to be configured in the sensor config by implementation Engg. Also its for telemetry and basically for long running oil pipelines and was lightndue to the use of VSAT link. Why we are using it as push thing in current scenario as Facebook did. I will recommend AMQP over mqtt as the push requirements for today environment are different even Industrial sensors are using TCP / IP wifi/3G comm and have some more memory...
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[05:38:49] <zinid> For telemetry my ads
[05:39:06] <zinid> There is SNMP for that
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[08:30:47] <Holger> Hrm seems error_logger:warning_msg/2 messages sent from xmpp/src/xmpp_stream_in don't end up in ejabberd.log ...
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[08:39:10] <Alacer> zinid: Its Telemetry related to SCADA and PLC/RTU systems. SNMP is totally different thing.
[08:40:58] <zinid> yeah, never heard about those
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[09:39:38] <Holger> Oh, maybe this is my problem:
Oh!
> In Erlang/OTP 21.0, a new API for logging was added. The old error_logger module can still be used by legacy code, but log events are redirected to the new Logger API.
http://erlang.org/doc/man/error_logger.html
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[09:41:05] <Holger> Then again, error_logger:add_report_handler() is still supposed to work.
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[09:55:34] <Holger> Ugh and now lager is hanging in io:execute_request/2.
[09:56:18] <SouL> Does lager mean warehouse?
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[09:56:46] <Holger> Killing the lager_event process leads to lager_file_backend logging a single line and then it hangs again.
[09:56:52] <Holger> SouL: In German yes :-)
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[10:04:15] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: too german after WW2 :(
[10:05:00] <Holger> Er, yes.
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[10:06:32] <Holger> In this case it's "Lager (as in the beer)" -- https://github.com/erlang-lager/lager
[10:06:41] <Holger> Whatever made them choose that name for a logging framework.
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[10:11:48] <zuglufttier> lager_event = Flunkyball?
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[10:24:16] <Holger> !version conversations.im
[10:24:18] <Servant> Holger: conversations.im is running ejabberd version 18.06.82-conversations.im on unix/linux 4.9.0
[10:24:33] <Holger> Reverted to OTP 20.x for the moment, let's see whether we run into it again.
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[11:00:26] <zinid> Holger: this is in production?
[11:00:53] <zinid> I mean the fuckup with lager
[11:04:13] <Holger> Yes that was c.im, so I didn't put more time into investigation, sorry.
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[11:05:23] <Holger> No idea whether it's OTP-21-related.  But never seen this before.
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[11:07:47] <zinid> Meh
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[11:20:36] <SouL> Holger, I asked because now that I'm learning danish (and I actually work for an e-commerce company with a warehouse), I learnt the word, and there are a lot of words similar or the same to german
[11:22:06] <Holger> Yeah, the languages are relatively closely related.
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[11:22:39] <Holger> Not as close as Dutch, though.  I usually understand something like 50% of a Dutch text I read.  That's not true for Danish.
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[11:26:14] <SouL> Germans learn the language so quickly... D:
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[11:26:38] <SouL> I envy a bit this
[11:26:53] <SouL> I feel like in this part of Europe people is more connected
[11:27:03] <SouL> Or at least you are more close to other countries than me
[11:27:07] <SouL> Not idea how to explain it
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[11:27:12] <zuglufttier> I was able to read some signs when I was in sweden.
[11:27:41] <zuglufttier> I'm German as well. Reading dutch texts is possible most of the time :D
[11:28:01] <Holger> zuglufttier: Hmmm. Probably because you live in the North :-P
[11:28:19] <Holger> (Better explanation than me just being to stupid.)
[11:28:22] <zuglufttier> That does help, but that does help for English as well.
[11:28:23] <Holger> *too
[11:28:26] <SouL> Haha
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[11:29:43] <zuglufttier> In central europe you just know that there are other languages and the day will come, when you will need the skill to understand at least something.
[11:29:54] <zuglufttier> Not so much in the USA.
[11:30:04] <zuglufttier> Or Australia.
[11:31:03] <Holger> > I envy a bit this
Then again with Catalan/Spanish you're supposed to understand most of South Europe plus South America!
[11:31:15] <Licaon_Kter> Latin based languages (FR, IT, SP, RO and a bit POR) are kinda in the same situation.
[11:32:19] <zuglufttier> And it all ends if you live in Finland.
[11:32:29] <Holger> Or Hungary.
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[11:33:44] <Licaon_Kter> Or Poland
[11:35:16] <Alacer> Well I think the most versions of a language I have encountered is Arabic.. Every Country in GCC has some difference in all aspects
[11:35:52] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Nah that's Slavic, no?
[11:37:11] <SouL> I have a polish colleague that he complains about it, and he says that I'm so lucky to speak a latin language
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[11:52:41] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: nope, iirc it was called the hardest language to learn in he world at some point, followed by magyar (Hungary)
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[11:54:19] <SouL> What? try to pronounce danish...
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[12:01:48] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Well maybe due to some tricky features of the language, but language-family-wise it's way closer than Finnish/Hungarian.
[12:05:30] <zuglufttier> Try learning the imperfect subjunctive in french. A time form that is reserved for formal language.
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[12:05:48] <zuglufttier> I remember trying to learn it in school, it was pretty insane.
[12:06:12] <zuglufttier> Only english worked for me. Must be because of all the computer games back then...
[12:06:59] <Holger> I had four years of French at school as well but learnt *nothing*.
[12:07:15] <zuglufttier> I forgot everything, too.
[12:07:25] <zuglufttier> Also four years.
[12:08:17] <zuglufttier> I fear the day, I will return to France and someone notices that I can speak one or two words french.
[12:09:07] <nosnilmot> Holger: eek, no, I did not ditch the case for validate_credentials/2 not returning {ok, ...} on purpose
[12:09:07] <zuglufttier> Locals love to hear people speak their language ;)
[12:09:16] <Link Mauve> Holger, seven years of German and I’m at approximately the same zero level. ^^'
[12:10:00] <SouL> But english is also easy
[12:10:07] <zuglufttier> If you don't use it very often and only in school, it's very hard for a normal person to learn another language, the requires some dedication.
[12:10:14] <SouL> (I'm not good at it, but that is a different matter :D)
[12:10:16] <zuglufttier> If you don't use it very often and only in school, it's very hard for a normal person to learn another language, that requires some dedication.
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[12:13:23] <Link Mauve> SouL, English is very much not easy, just that we are exposed to it a lot.
[12:14:02] <Link Mauve> It’s like Japanese, I find it easy because I can understand it despite putting zero effort in it, but that’s because I’ve been watching anime a lot.
[12:14:22] <SouL> And not because you like it? :D
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[12:14:39] <SouL> I can tell I haven't been exposed at all to english...
[12:14:50] <SouL> Compared to the languages I know
[12:14:53] <SouL> it is so simple
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[12:15:12] <SouL> I run, you run, they run..
[12:15:15] <Tyler> I assume with OMEMO, each contact's device's keys have to be trusted on each of my devices. There isn't any secure way to sync the devices I trust across all of my devices. And likewise, there's no built in way for my existing trust in a contact's device to tell me that THEY trust other device IDs of theirs?
[12:15:42] <Holger> English spelling is completely weirdo due to being a mix of German and French, but other than that I thing it *is* comparatively easy.  Grammer-wise and such.
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[12:16:08] <Holger> Tyler: Exactly.
[12:17:58] <Link Mauve> SouL, yet you’re talking here on various MUCs everyday. :p
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[12:19:54] <Holger> Link Mauve: Wasn't aware you understand Japanese, that's cool.
[12:20:00] <Tyler> With that scheme, it seems like when I mark my device2 on my device1 as trusted, device1 should be able to securely inform my contacts and my devices which trust device1, that they should also trust device2?
[12:20:42] <Holger> Tyler: Yes, I guess that's what you'd expect from a proper E2EE solution.
[12:20:53] <SouL> Link Mauve, that helped me, to be honest... It is how I improved my english, thank you XMPP!
[12:21:35] <Link Mauve> Holger, only at conversation level, and with vocabulary I’ve already encountered.
[12:22:03] <zuglufttier> Holger, maybe XEP-0373 will just provide that.
[12:22:05] <Link Mauve> But I can mostly watch various kind of series or movies without issue.
[12:23:37] <Holger> Tyler: Then again, I think verification is unusable for day-to-day usage of normal end users.  So I think day-to-day chat clients should just hide all verification foo as good as possible.  In the special case where you *do* have an interest in performing proper verification and enable it somewhere in the expert settings, it might be acceptable to do this per-device.
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[12:24:56] <Holger> zuglufttier: Yes, as you can more easily implement per-account rather than per-device keys with 0373, that should be possible.
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[12:30:14] <zuglufttier> But it will be hard to sell this solution because everybody now uses OMEMO ;)
[12:30:21] <zuglufttier> Oh, well. We'll see.
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[12:38:01] <Alacer> Tyler: Thats cause how OMEMO works i.e. creates publicallly shared Pre-Keys linked to a device Id. Same as you can't have whatsApp or Signal App working with muli Sim Phone or they lock you up with phone No. So there is a price of flexibility i.e. share phone No. or Message Carbons with same JID on Multiple Devices but The Multiple Device IDs....
[12:38:02] <Holger> zuglufttier: Not sure.  PGP would allow re-accessing your archive and avoid some of the OMEMO pitfalls, that might be selling reasons.  But in the end I think whatever is enabled in Conversations by default will win.
[12:40:11] <zuglufttier> Yes, Conversations would have to create a PGP key for the user, with the ability to load your own key and/or export it, too.
[12:40:36] <Holger> Could all be done.  But someone must do it :-)
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[12:40:51] <zuglufttier> I know ;)
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[12:42:22] <Holger> The idea for day-to-day usage would be auto-deploying the private key to all your devices via PEP.  So manually loading/exporting keys would be an expert thing.
[12:45:44] <Holger> However I'm still not sure you never want to do nice content-based things server-side, e.g. spam filtering, search, smart push notifications ...
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[12:56:12] <tyler> OMEMO today passes the grandmother test, but only because they automatically trust new OMEMO keys. This is secure except in the case of a server operator attempting to intentionally compromise your messages, and only applies to future messages. Since grandma probably only has one device, there's no need for her to bother with marking her various keys as trusted, so a model where my own keys that I mark as trusted are communicated to grandma's device that already trusts my device I do that trusting on, she can go on chatting to me without having to do anything new. And then this protects against bad server operators. If Grandma replaces her device or upgrades, THEN she'll have to bother with communicating the trusted device business.
[12:56:44] <tyler> My whole family, the ones with Android phones anyway, all use XMPP because Conversations makes it work as people expect it to.
[12:57:13] <tyler> It is magical and far more flexible than texting, and far more private than whatever other app of the month Facebook users have moved to.
[12:57:25] <tyler> So the "Grandma factor" is important. :-)
[12:57:29] <zuglufttier> It is.
[12:57:47] <Holger> > OMEMO today passes the grandmother test
Only if you don't use clients other than Conversations.
[12:58:09] <Holger> And if Grandma doesn't use the now-prominently exposed barcode scanner knob.
[12:59:35] <Holger> > Grandma replaces her device or upgrades, THEN she'll have to bother with communicating the trusted device business.
And Grandma's tend to do that at some point.  You don't want a solution that only works for the very first installation.
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[13:08:15] <Alacer> Yup But OMEMO is based on signal protocol and by the way device change needs a retrust but its the same to detect MITM and to have trust on the entity. So Holger  is very true use barcode scanner
[13:08:33] <Holger> That's not what I said but whatever :-)
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[13:19:45] <tyler> Sorry, I meant to say Conversations, not OMEMO, passes  grandmother test.
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[13:20:48] <tyler> If you give 99% of users one client that runs on their phone that replaces text messaging, they'll use it. And that's what Conversations has successfully done. But it happens to be compatible with all the other apps and applications out there that speak XMPP.
[13:21:37] <tyler> In my family use case, running XMPP wouldn't be possible for me without EJabberd, and it would be useless without Conversations.
[13:21:47] <tyler> Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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[13:24:29] <edhelas> :)
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[13:25:29] <edhelas> one day ejabberd will also pass the grandma test as well :-°
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[13:26:21] <Holger> zinid is working on it.
[13:26:27] <Holger> ejabberd for Grandmas.
[13:26:52] <zuglufttier> Your grandma will host your xmpp server then.
[13:27:16] <zuglufttier> And perform MITM attacks on her grand children to find out which one loves her the most.
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[13:28:36] <edhelas> mod_love_level_mam
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[13:30:44] <zuglufttier> With automatic testament correction.
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[13:36:39] <Alacer> tyler: By the way to customize it more for family register a domain that you love and host it with conversations.im team.. Ya its an ejabbed Room... ;)
[13:37:31] <tyler> lol
[13:37:54] <Alacer> > zinid is working on it.
> ejabberd for Grandmas.
with MQTT...:D
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[13:41:02] <Alacer> zinid: I think MQTT topic like "Grandma Love" are easy to publish/Subscribe to..
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[14:36:12] <zinid> > English spelling is completely weirdo due to being a mix of German and French, but other than that I thing it *is* comparatively easy.  Grammer-wise and such.
It's only easy if you're European
[14:36:51] <zinid> There is actually a research estimated how many hours you need to learn English
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[14:37:05] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: based on native language?
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[14:37:18] <zinid> The difference between French and Russian for example is 5-fold
[14:37:22] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: yes
[14:37:49] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: (your Kiril and his buddy just copied greek letters, that fked up everything 🙄)
[14:38:51] <zinid> Yeah, some things are incredibly hard to learn, for example after decades of "learning" I still don't understand perfect tenses and articles
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[14:43:50] <af> As a French person, it's not rare to talk with a foreign student who speaks a better French than my usual circles
[14:44:12] <Holger> Yes English is of course much easier for Europeans where the mother tongue is closer to English.  I just seemed to remember the complexity of English also being *relatively* low.  But I'm not into linguistics at all, may well be nonsense.
[14:44:36] <af> * native relatives ("usual" is to be taken as "ethnic majority)
[14:45:37] <bowlofeggs> i've heard it claimed that dutch is the easiest language to learn if you know english
[14:46:01] <bowlofeggs> but i've experienced first hand that dutch isn't easy for me to pronounce (i'm a native english speaker)
[14:46:09] <Licaon_Kter> af: english have the same issues, scottish, welsh, irish, whatnot
In RO we have about 4 different regions, accents and all that jazz
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[14:47:50] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: thankfully we don't have such diversity in Russian, the amount of dialects is negligible accross the whole country
[14:47:57] <af> * laughs in occitan
[14:48:28] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: given the size...that's unexpected 🤔
[14:48:29] <af> French people have about 5 or 6 local languages
[14:49:35] <af> But were's Welsh in Great Britain ?
[14:49:40] <af> * where
[14:49:45] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: for example here, in Krasnodar people are migrating from all regions (due to climate) and you cannot say where they are from until asking
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[14:50:12] <af> My syntax is pretty messy, sorry
[14:50:34] <Licaon_Kter> af: I dunno, maybe I mixed them lol
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[14:53:14] <zinid> Whatever, I think you cannot even invent easy to learn language, for example even Esperanto is only easy to European mostly.
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[14:54:07] <zinid> Suggest learning Esperanto for Arabs for example
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[14:55:29] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: when the written part is so different, yes it's hard(er), eg. latin speakers learning chinese or japonese or russian or greek, and the other way around
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[14:55:48] <Licaon_Kter> But then again, starting at an early age helps....
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[14:56:55] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: and spelling? And verb tenses? Damn, Esperanto even has articles which is beyond me
[14:58:44] <Licaon_Kter> RO is phonetic, meaning WYSIWYG regarding the writing, no bullshit of OO is U or SH or TH like english or O being either O or A, or Г being G or V in russian. Hence the theory is that RO is easier to learn...🤔
[14:59:01] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: eh...
[14:59:12] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: yeah, that's great
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[15:00:39] <zinid> I wouldn't say Russian is a lot worse in this sense, you can actually pronounce it literally, you will just sound weirdo, but try to do the same in English, LMAO
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[15:26:50] <Holger> zinid: No significant dialect differences between Moscow and Vladivostok? Wow.
[15:27:23] <zuglufttier> In Northern Germany you have different dialects from village to village.
[15:27:39] <zinid> Holger: no
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[15:29:38] <Holger> I would've assumed dialect to evolve over time and get out of sync across different parts of the country in all languages.
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[15:31:37] <zuglufttier> It did here.
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[15:32:44] <zuglufttier> I don't understand Saterfriesisch, which even has an englisch wikipedia page! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saterland_Frisian_language
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[15:33:11] <Holger> zuglufttier: At least you guys gave up on Plattdeutsch at some point, otherwise I'd understand you no better than Danish.
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[15:33:43] <Holger> Well, most gave up I guess 🙂
[15:34:01] <zuglufttier> We didn't.
[15:34:14] <zuglufttier> My parents learned German in school.
[15:34:16] <zuglufttier> :D
[15:34:22] <Holger> Heh, okay. Glad we communicate in English then.
[15:34:37] <zuglufttier> Sadly, I cannot speak it fluently.
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[15:35:41] <Holger> (Well "you guys" is nonsense, my Grandma grew up with Platt as well. Probably somewhat different from your Platt though.)
[15:35:47] <zuglufttier> When I was born, lower german was considered bad for children because they should learn only one language at a time.
[15:36:08] <zuglufttier> Nowadays it's the other way around.
[15:36:16] <zuglufttier> Where did she some from?
[15:36:25] <zuglufttier> Where did she come from?
[15:36:38] <Holger> Ostwestfalen.
[15:36:51] <zuglufttier> Oh, that's certainly different.
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[15:40:37] <Holger> Dunno, I know everyone considers it sad that Lower German is dying, but I'm not sure it's *really* preferable if people can't communicate without learning two languages.
[15:41:03] <Holger> I mean you can always move to Belgium if you like that 😜
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[15:43:38] <zuglufttier> Actually, you learn way more if you speak more than one language. If you know a language, you also get a feeling for the people who speak this language.
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[15:44:20] <zuglufttier> And they can communicate just fine.
[15:44:55] <zuglufttier> It's not a big deal if you grow up like this. I never had to learn German or Lower German. It was my everyday life.
[15:45:49] <Holger> Because you learnt both, because you half gave up on Lower German.
[15:47:10] <zuglufttier> No, mainly because my parents didn't want me to speak Lower German or at least didn't actively help me in that regard.
[15:47:52] <Holger> I think that's the idea for Belgium though, right? Everyone learns both (plus some speak German on top).
[15:48:04] <Holger> Not sure it works out it practice.
[15:48:25] <Holger> And Switzerland!
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[15:50:06] <zuglufttier> I really don't know. This will lead to problems, of course, if you have one area that only speaks French and the other Dutch.
[15:51:04] <zuglufttier> It's just a different communication channel. It's easier to say some thing in German that it is in English.
[15:51:16] <zuglufttier> I consider language an art form.
[15:51:59] <zuglufttier> From a technical view point ASCII is enough.
[15:53:43] <Holger> Just convince Bavaria to learn Platt and I'll learn it as well :-)
[15:55:06] <zuglufttier> I'll do my best.
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[17:22:24] <404> 2018-07-25 17:14:01.294 [error] <0.414.0> Supervisor ejabberd_s2s_out_sup had child undefined started with {ejabberd_s2s_out,start_link,undefined} at <0.18210.0> exit with reason {process_limit,{max_queue,1195}} in context child_terminated
2018-07-25 17:14:25.545 [error] <0.18222.0> CRASH REPORT Process <0.18222.0> with 0 neighbours exited with reason: {process_limit,{max_queue,1079}} in p1_server:terminate/7 line 864
2018-07-25 17:14:25.545 [error] <0.414.0> Supervisor ejabberd_s2s_out_sup had child undefined started with {ejabberd_s2s_out,start_link,undefined} at <0.18222.0> exit with reason {process_limit,{max_queue,1079}} in context child_terminated
2018-07-25 17:15:04.500 [error] <0.712.0> CRASH REPORT Process <0.712.0> with 0 neighbours exited with reason: {process_limit,{max_queue,1119}} in p1_server:terminate/7 line 864
[17:23:09] <404> What is the reason for this errors
[17:23:37] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[17:25:32] <Holger> Outgoing s2s is overloaded. Maybe someone spamming or something.
[17:26:21] <VC> !version securejabber.me
[17:26:22] <Servant> VC: There was an error requesting securejabber.me's version doesn't reply to version requests (No s2s connection found)
[17:26:22] Andrew Nenakhov leaves the room
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[17:26:38] <VC> !version sj.ms
[17:26:38] <Servant> VC: sj.ms is running ejabberd version 18.01
[17:28:28] <404> Holger, is it possible to find these spammers. whether there is an opportunity to find these spammers or limit the number of messages, so that spam would be uncomfortable
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[17:32:22] <404> grep pres_counter /var/log/ejabberd/ejabberd.log
2018-07-25 13:38:01.527 [warning] <0.5344.8>@mod_pres_counter:update:101 User adm0day@404.city is being flooded, ignoring received presence subscriptions
2018-07-25 14:39:57.312 [warning] <0.3287.8>@mod_pres_counter:update:101 User adm0day@404.city is being flooded, ignoring received presence subscriptions
2018-07-25 14:49:06.849 [warning] <0.4203.8>@mod_pres_counter:update:101 User adm0day@404.city is being flooded, ignoring received presence subscriptions
2018-07-25 15:13:34.460 [warning] <0.1366.0>@mod_pres_counter:update:101 User adm0day@404.city is being flooded, ignoring received presence subscriptions
and etc
[17:33:32] <VC> someone is flood your user
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[17:34:54] <404> I blocked it. But this did not affect it in any way.
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[17:36:11] <VC> grep 'to adm0day' /var/log/ejabberd/ejabberd.log
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[17:56:03] <404> Holger, VC Thank you. Now it became clear to me what was going on. You helped me to solve this problem
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[18:24:59] <Licaon_Kter> 404: aaand?
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[18:42:30] <404> Licaon_Kter,  I blocked a part of the servers from which there was a flood
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[18:59:48] <Licaon_Kter> 404: are those servers mentioned here: https://conversations.im/compliance/ ?
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[19:25:30] <404> Licaon_Kter,  yes
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[19:50:11] <Licaon_Kter> 404: did you report the spammers to the admins?
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[19:54:23] <404> Licaon_Kter, There are a lot of servers. I will unlock when I switch to a more powerful server.
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[21:32:43] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: nobody wants to report
[21:33:09] <zinid> Well known fact in psychology
[21:33:16] targ leaves the room
[21:33:31] <zinid> "someone else will report"
[21:34:22] <zinid> Damn, I forgot how this phenomenon is called
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[23:25:34] <404> Licaon_Kter, I checked. This list does not affect anyone
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[23:28:09] <404> Licaon_Kter, I checked. This list does not affect anyone. not one server is blocked.
[23:29:18] <404> Licaon_Kter, I checked this list. No blocked servers
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