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[00:20:22] <Odin> The Daily Beast: Necco Candy Company Plant Suddenly Shuts Down.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/necco-candy-company-plant-suddenly-shuts-down?source=cheats&via=rss
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[06:01:13] <SouL> >Holger> Not sure it works out it practice.  
It does :D (Well, no idea in Belgium)
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[10:11:27] <madmalkav> Once I issue a join cluster to a node, everytime that node is stopped and started, it will sutomatically join the cluster? Or I need to issue the order after every node restart?
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[10:23:13] <zinid> no, you need that only once
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[10:26:02] <madmalkav> Great
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[10:42:33] <madmalkav> If I have two machines serving domain.tld behind a load balancer, and a file is http uploaded to machine A, is it reachable from machine B with default config https://@HOST@:5444 ? Or should I set per-server configurations on http_upload ?
[10:43:13] <madmalkav> Sorry for all the basic questions, I swear I'm doing my best to get the company to hire paid support as soon as they give OK to this prototype
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[10:48:30] <Holger> madmalkav: Right now there's no clustering support for upload, the client needs to upload to the server it's connected to and the recipient needs to request the file from the same server.
[10:48:52] <Holger> A friend of mine built some Nginx redirection foo to solve this.
[10:49:38] <Holger> madmalkav: The current Git code has some magic to lift the first restriction using an Nginx module, i.e. the client can then upload to a different node than the one it's connected to.  But you're still on your own regarding download.
[10:50:25] <Holger> The uploads are simply stored in the file system.
[10:52:25] <Holger> And I wouldn't consider that question 'basic' :-)
[10:53:56] <zinid> madmalkav: configure put/get urls to exact node fqdn
[10:54:05] <zinid> And you're good
[10:54:15] <Holger> That's what I meant to say ;-)
[10:54:36] <zinid> Holger: okay 👍
[10:55:01] <madmalkav> Thanks for the support guys :)
[10:56:46] <zinid> Hope you finally will put it into production by 2030 😁
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[10:58:42] <Holger> 😀
[11:00:01] <madmalkav> Well, taking into account how much they sidetrack me, and how slow decisions can go in a big , french company -these guys love bureauchracy-, it is not totally impossible
[11:00:43] <zinid> I understand that, just trolling
[11:01:13] <zinid> Huge companies suck
[11:01:23] <madmalkav> But I have my prototype more or less ready, I need some touches of config and to read about mod_disco to see if I'm gonna use it or I will configure the two domains as is and continue to complain about the second one being a bad patch for a stupid problem
[11:02:27] <Holger> I worked for Sanofi for a while. Bureaucracy was indeed a lot worse than at my German state university's job, which is bad enough.
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[11:15:38] <zinid> Those papers for the sake of papers...
[11:16:07] <zinid> I used to work in a huge corp too, that was terrible
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[11:16:46] <zinid> You basically had to write 10 papers and to wait a couple of months to get new pencil
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[11:36:07] <madmalkav> lol
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[11:44:04] <Alacer> zinid: Man sice you are working on MQTT, https://github.com/bitblee/bitblee-facebook
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[11:44:32] <zinid> Alacer: 404
[11:47:46] <Alacer> zinid: https://github.com/bitlbee/bitlbee-facebook
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[13:30:45] <zinid> https://medium.com/@thinkwik/web-sockets-vs-xmpp-which-is-better-for-chat-application-113e3520b327
[13:30:55] <zinid> great article demonstrating IT degradation
[13:31:35] <zinid> > Web Sockets vs. XMPP: Which Is Better For Chat Application?
Tomatos vs Pencils: Which Is Better?
[13:33:17] <Holger> 🤦
[13:34:49] <madmalkav> Pencil salad is so tasty
[13:35:02] <madmalkav> And writing with tomatoes so aromatic
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[13:35:40] <madmalkav> And people that especialize in one technology and want to use that for everything are great professionals
[13:35:44] <madmalkav> ...
[13:37:15] <madmalkav> I'll implement a XMPP alternative only.with ksh scripts, because I'm good at that
[13:37:53] <zinid> yeah, hammer+nails effect :/
[13:38:13] madmalkav is not good at that, by the way
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[13:49:52] <madmalkav> it would be nice if ldap roster could use info about the user to customize the roster,i.e. tell to show him all the users on its OU or peopoe that is uniqueMember of a CN or so, don't you think?
[13:50:37] <zinid> https://twitter.com/daviddpd/status/1018855950055161856
[13:53:31] <madmalkav> Matrix seems to be selfdestructing on big deploys, yeah
[13:53:58] <Licaon_Kter> That websockets logo, wtf?
[13:53:59] <404> zinid,  I do not like the matrix, because it can be created using the XMPP extension. Many technical solutions in the matrix are terrible.
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[13:55:44] <zinid> it's funny how matrix creators claimed themselves as several-decades-skilled XMPP/SIP developers and how they will build the TRUE protocol based on their skills
[13:55:49] <zinid> just liars
[13:56:16] <Licaon_Kter> > Matrix seems to be selfdestructing on big deploys, yeah
Isn't that common knowledge already? They even joke about this in their presentations...
[13:56:32] <404> Matrix is when someone rewrites XMPP, not understanding how it works.They have a lot of money to develop a Matrix
[13:58:00] <madmalkav> Aaaand, for some reason I can't demand srv record on my network, grrrr. I'll have to use a full domain alias for getting users@domain2.tld to connect to xmpp server at domain1.tld and cross fingers it works
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[13:58:51] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, so they already built the reputation? Nice to hear that
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[14:02:08] <404> The developers of the matrix, when they had their own XMPP server, but could not write Json api for it. Now they proudly call themselves experts on XMPP
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[14:05:06] <404> I think they just make money on the development. Representing the Matrix as a product with no analogues.
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[14:05:13] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: they keep saying dendrite should be worked on more/faster, but they keep patching they current synapse when it fails, but then again I only saw bits and pieces
[14:06:06] <zinid> dendrite is already a thing?
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[14:28:26] <Holger> zinid: You only need to run about 57 commands to try it out!
[14:28:29] <Holger> https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/blob/master/INSTALL.md
[14:29:16] <zinid> https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/blob/master/INSTALL.md#starting-a-multiprocess-server
[14:29:18] <zinid> o_O
[14:29:41] <zinid> looks like overengineered :/
[14:30:08] <zinid> anyway, that's why I hate to draw those diagrams, they make your software look complex :)
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[14:43:45] <mrDoctorWho> hi there
[14:44:10] <mrDoctorWho> I remember there was a limit for number of groupchats opened by a user back in ejabberd 2.x
[14:44:17] <mrDoctorWho> is it still there in 16.09?
[14:44:31] <mrDoctorWho> if yes, could you please point me at the parameter name?
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[14:50:07] <cromain> maybe just reading the doc will help: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#mod-muc
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[14:51:07] <mrDoctorWho> thanks! It's just google wasn't giving me any results
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[15:03:34] <zinid> bad google
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[15:34:35] <madmalkav> File transfer in pidgin doesn't use http_upload, right?
[15:35:57] <Holger> Right.
[15:37:07] <madmalkav> Ummm, need to look for a desktop client to try it
[15:37:18] <madmalkav> Sugestions welcome
[15:37:35] <zuglufttier> gajim
[15:37:45] <zuglufttier> And look no further!
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[15:44:05] <madmalkav> Thanks
[15:44:45] <zinid> yeah, gajim seems the only usable desktop client atm
[15:44:49] <zinid> no options basically
[15:45:13] <zinid> "Sad State of XMPP 2018"
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[15:52:24] <vanitasvitae> Its sad to see how slowly dino development is going atm...
[15:56:07] <zinid> yeah, atm looks like yet another abandonware
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[16:00:25] <zuglufttier> Due to missing developers, I guess.
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[16:07:16] <edhelas> I'm looking for help to package Movim in a desktop app by the way :-)
[16:07:35] <edhelas> if you have some Qt knowledge especially
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[16:18:01] <zinid> edhelas, it will be electron-like shit?
[16:18:16] <zinid> or you rewrote it in qt?
[16:18:33] <zinid> https://twitter.com/xmpp_is/status/1022083875592450048
[16:18:38] <zinid> !version xmpp.is
[16:18:39] <Servant> zinid: xmpp.is is running Prosody version 0.10.2 on Linux
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[16:23:00] <edhelas> zinid I'm actually asking for Qt devs to no do the "electron-like-shit"
[16:23:07] <edhelas> but it's still a webview yes
[16:23:15] <zinid> heh
[16:23:23] <edhelas> https://github.com/movim/movim_desktop
[16:23:31] <zinid> I saw that repo ;)
[16:23:47] <zinid> take a look at the stars :)
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[17:20:29] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: what's the difference between STAR and WATCH?🤔
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[17:31:58] <vanitasvitae> Licaon_Kter: watch will get you notified about issues and commits.
[17:32:08] <vanitasvitae> Stars are just... Stars :D
[17:32:27] <Licaon_Kter> Lol wut?
[17:32:50] <Licaon_Kter> vanitasvitae: I always WATCH, why would I STAR?
[17:33:54] <zinid> To raise on top
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[17:44:45] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: how much did it cost p1 to get moar starz than mongoose? 🤔
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[17:46:14] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: we have more 🌟?
[17:46:21] <zinid> Hum, okay 😁
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[17:55:54] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: 3-4 times more forks/watchers/stars
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[18:26:59] <edhelas> is there some regex guru here ?
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[18:39:10] <Holger> edhelas: Don't ask to ask, just ask :-)
[18:39:27] <edhelas> ok, I have a weird case :D
[18:39:48] <edhelas> https://www.phpliveregex.com/p/oI8
[18:40:04] <edhelas> adding a character to this URL just cancel the whole regex, why
[18:41:15] <Holger> OMG
[18:42:20] <edhelas> you have 25min exactly
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[18:44:29] <edhelas> (it's linked to this ticket https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/635)
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[18:50:24] <Holger> The fact that it already doesn't catch the trailing part of the URL is desired?
[18:51:01] <edhelas> well no
[18:51:20] <edhelas> here the idea is to catch valid URLs that are now surrounded by tags already
[18:52:01] <edhelas> https://github.com/movim/movim/blob/master/app/helpers/StringHelper.php#L6
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[18:53:01] <Holger> I mean &amp;_a= and the rest isn't in any of the 5 capturing groups shown on the right.
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[18:54:18] <Holger> Maybe you're not using those at all?  In that case the regex would be unnecessarily complex, no?
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[18:55:47] <edhelas> possible
[18:56:11] <Holger> Sigh :-)
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[18:57:21] <rom1dep> edhelas: I use debuggex, so I don't have to understand regexes
[18:58:21] <Holger> edhelas: Well I can tell you where in the regex to add .* in order to allow arbitrary characters to be appended.  But I'm not sure that's what you actually want.
[18:59:11] <Holger> Bringing the kid to bed ...
[18:59:15] <edhelas> :p
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[19:00:03] <edhelas> what I want is still the same thing, handle valid URLs that are not already surrounded by XML tags :p
[19:00:14] <rom1dep> https://www.debuggex.com/
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[19:32:53] <Holger> Oh *not*.  Above you said "catch valid URLs that are now surrounded by tags", I didn't recognize this as a typo :-)
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[21:44:57] <4223> > Tomatos vs Pencils: Which Is Better?
It's all Putins fault.
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[21:47:02] <edhelas> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17621383
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[22:28:13] <Andrew Nenakhov> Test
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