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[05:32:56] <rom1dep> hello folks, I have a(n interesting) networking (issue/)challenge to solve :)
I just noticed that the ISP hosting my ejabberd server is being banned (by IP) in some areas. But at DNS level, it keeps resolving to the blocked IP range.
So my idea to work around that is to round-robin the DNS and add an alternative IP to a second server that I administrate, in such a way that any connection attempt to $mydomain through $secondary_server would be proxified/tunneled to $primary_server.
I was thinking of using SRV records, and sslh for that, because it appears to me that proxying/multiplexing is more or less the same thing in this context, but I'm a little bit wary of SNI and other side-effects.
Do you folks have any advise/recommendation?
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[05:44:16] <rom1dep> by the way, it'd be so nice to have a XEP for "federated connection" such as "$my_jid_server isn't available from where I am, but I trust $server2 which can access my server. Please let $server2 route my traffic to $my_jid_server"
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[06:40:53] <rom1dep> look at that, sslh supports matching SNI over TLS from 1.19. And which distrib is stuck at 1.18? yup, debian. Thank you debian. This distrib is a waste of time & energy.
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[07:43:43] <Holger> rom1dep: This is plain IP forwarding, no? I'd use an iptables rule for that.
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[07:45:07] <Holger> The downside is that you don't see the client address on the ejabberd server.
[07:45:09] <rom1dep> Holger: the server onto which I intend to hop also is a jabber server
[07:45:29] <Holger> Ah so you need the multiplexing.
[07:45:48] <rom1dep> that was my guess
[07:46:02] <Holger> Then yes, sslh. Building 1.19 from source is trivial.
[07:46:13] <rom1dep> that's what I did
[07:46:22] <Holger> k 🙂
[07:46:38] <rom1dep> I love that 0.1.1 revision of xep 368 :)
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[07:49:16] <rom1dep> but it seems sslh can't have both alpn_protocols and sni_hostnames
[07:50:00] <rom1dep> so I can't be multiplexing both direct TLS for XMPP and TLS for http-upload
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[07:52:38] <Holger> Hm I didn't use ALPN with it.
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[07:53:49] <rom1dep> huh, looks like it should work https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh/blob/master/example.cfg#L51
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[07:54:56] <Holger> rom1dep: Nginx can also do it BTW: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368
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[07:56:00] <rom1dep> Holger: I like to have those extra lines for openvpn & ssh, though :)
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[08:25:51] <404> I have a suspicion that sslh will fall during ddos attacks
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[08:30:24] <404> To arrange all services on one port is a good idea, but highly costly
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[08:37:16] <rom1dep> 404: why? Have you measured the overhead of sslh to be significant?
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[08:47:10] <Holger> sslh either fork()s a process for each connection or uses select(). The former doesn't scale, the latter won't work with more than ~1024 clients.
[08:48:49] <Holger> If I still needed sslh, I'd add libev support.
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[09:03:22] <rom1dep> I do think I hit a bug in sslh so I'm now looking into the code, I hate it so much when there is a `if(that_function(a, b, c))` and `that_function` has a return type `int`
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[09:36:02] <Alacer> > huh, looks like it should work https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh/blob/master/example.cfg#L51
For me this example didn't work with 1.81 in deb stretch... I used the one on XMPP Wiki and then modified....
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[09:42:52] <Link Mauve> rom1dep, I’d personally use another port and modify SRV accordingly, rather than using sslh on the same port.
[09:45:17] <rom1dep> Alacer: yeah, expected, from the changelog it starts at 1.19
[09:46:02] <rom1dep> Link Mauve: yeah but having as much as possible behind 443 is kind of the point
[09:46:35] <Link Mauve> Oh.
[09:46:52] <Link Mauve> That trend is so terrible…
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[09:47:50] <rom1dep> Link Mauve: yeah, tell that to all hotels, airports, guest networks, coffee shop & restaurants everywhere in the world
[09:48:25] <rom1dep> I'm on your side, but I think the rest of the world has moved past this debate
[09:48:38] <Link Mauve> Just use BOSH then. ^^'
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[09:51:01] <Alacer> > Link Mauve: yeah, tell that to all hotels, airports, guest networks, coffee shop & restaurants everywhere in the world
Agree .... Though Chatsecure doesn't work with SSLH until when connecting one explicitly mentions 443 as service port...but this 443 is not good especially with reverse SSL proxies... and things like FireEye etc...
[09:51:31] <Alacer> It mimics that it is secure but in fact it the other way...
[09:53:05] <Alacer> Link Mauve: Bosh is in use...???
[09:53:17] <Link Mauve> Yes?
[09:54:07] <rom1dep> does Conversations use it?
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[09:54:33] <Link Mauve> I don’t think so, why?
[09:54:45] <Link Mauve> It could.
[09:59:22] <Holger> Why is BOSH preferable over plain XMPP on port 443.
[09:59:24] <Holger> ?
[10:00:11] <Holger> Because it's good to stick to the port numbers the Internet god has chosen for a given protocol? 🙂
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[10:01:25] <Holger> > Though Chatsecure doesn't work with SSLH until when connecting one explicitly mentions 443 as service port
This is still not true 🙂
[10:02:51] <Holger> You mean ChatSecure doesn't support _xmpps-client records (as per XEP-0368). But you can tell sslh to accept plain _xmpp-client connections on 443 just fine.
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[10:05:20] <Alacer> > This is still not true 🙂
Sharing my experience may be config issue or... as SSLH is working fine and accepts on 443 with xmpp-client in APLNS.
[10:07:02] <Holger> You use an 'xmpp' rule (without ALPNS) instead of (or in addition to) the 'tls' rule in sslh.
[10:07:41] <Holger> The sample config has 'xmpp' rules I think.
[10:10:22] <404> Holger, I like the 443 port on XMPP, I do not like XMPP clients who can not work with SRV
[10:11:20] <Holger> 404: ChatSecure supports SRV records as I said.
[10:11:47] <Holger> Just not those specified in XEP-0368.
[10:14:08] <404> I tested, it turned out 30% of users XMPP clients do not support SRV records
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[10:26:11] <Holger> 404: We have about 10% using the A record instead of SRV, that's most probably due to b0rked routers/DNS servers, not due to missing SRV support in clients.
[10:26:15] <Holger> But yes that's highly annoying.
[10:26:28] <Alacer> Ya there is a simple xmpp as well Man and also with ALPNS and simplest 443 TLS. I have all 3. Even then No. Yes XEP-0368 Support is working for conversations. Chat Secure By default has 5222 configured if a a normal signup is done or signin it looks for port 5222. Yes if I mention port No. 443 in CS during account signin  then it works with SSLH...
[10:27:15] <rom1dep> looks like my dns round robin'in + multiplexing does the trick
[10:27:27] <rom1dep> now I need to fix sslh
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[10:27:33] <rom1dep> so http-upload can work
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[10:28:37] <rom1dep> I guess that, if all my friends do that and I add all my friends' servers in sslh, we truly have a mesh/censor proof XMPP network?
[10:29:37] <rom1dep> (/s , but in fact we should have a standard for such things)
[10:30:56] <Alacer> SSLH works with http upload using Simple TLS option
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[10:31:46] <Holger> > Chat Secure By default has 5222 configured
And if your SRV record points ChatSecure to port 443, ChatSecure will use port 443, dammit.
[10:32:35] <rom1dep> Alacer: it does, but that's not what I'm doing.
[10:33:25] <404> To enable 443 ports, can use Cloudflare.   site.com:80 => site.com:443 (ip cloudflare)  and  xmpp.site.com:443
[10:33:49] <rom1dep> basically, my server is IP-blocked in the country I find myself in currently. I'm providing an alternative to myself & other users in this country by hopping over another ejabberd+SSLH server
[10:35:00] <404> rom1dep, Is TOR also blocked?
[10:35:06] <rom1dep> 404: yup
[10:35:43] <rom1dep> not only it is blocked, but it's drawing a big fat red target on the user's ass
[10:36:54] <404> rom1dep, 5222 port is blocked? 443 port is not blocked?
[10:37:27] <rom1dep> 404: myserver.org is IP blocked. I can't XMPP anything to myserver.org
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[10:40:22] <rom1dep> but serveralt.org is available. And serveralt.org can talk to myserver.org fine.
So, if I can dns resolve myserver.org to make it point to serveralt.org (with lowest prio) and have serveralt.org pass-on the traffic to myserver.org , I'm good and my users don't have to touch anything.
[10:40:27] <404> I never thought about it. Technically, can use 2 ip addresses, for use
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[10:41:40] <Link Mauve> rom1dep, what you actually seem to want is an open XMPP proxy.
[10:41:59] <Link Mauve> This sounds surprisingly easy to build.
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[10:42:19] <rom1dep> Link Mauve: I don't want my users to have anything to reconfigure
[10:42:40] <Link Mauve> rom1dep, open proxy + SRV on the domains you care about.
[10:43:30] <rom1dep> so this open proxy is an XMPP server on its own?
[10:44:09] <Link Mauve> It would expose a c2s interface, and instead connect to the domain the user wants.
[10:44:09] <404> rom1dep, add ip
[10:44:35] <Link Mauve> Although care would have to be taken for X.509 certificates, as not every client supports DANE yet.
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[10:45:33] <rom1dep> 404: I can't add IPs easily
[10:45:47] <rom1dep> new IP means new server in my case
[10:46:02] <rom1dep> I adventured with IPV6 but it's simply a no go right now
[10:46:33] <rom1dep> Link Mauve: so this serveralt.org is the open proxy in my current case
[10:47:45] <404> rom1dep, You can drop the port on another server
[10:47:57] <Alacer> > And if your SRV record points ChatSecure to port 443, ChatSecure will use port 443, dammit.
Thanks for the waking me up... :)
[10:48:14] <rom1dep> but it'd be terrific to be able to have any XMPP server opt-in'ingly proxy the traffic to any other XMPP server
[10:49:17] <404> rom1dep, This can be done without the XMPP server
[10:49:29] <Holger> rom1dep: I just noticed that we used sslh 1.18 back then, which *does* support SNI and APLN.  That ChangeLog entry for 1.19 seems wrong (the 1.18 ChangeLog mentioned SNI/ALPN as well).
[10:49:48] <Holger> rom1dep: Just in case you'd prefer to stick to the distro package.
[10:50:57] <rom1dep> Holger: Unless I'm doing something very stupid with https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh/issues/197 (which I may very well) I'll probably need to fork & experiment with code, so all things considered I may be better off with a source checkout :)
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[10:52:36] <404> rom1dep,Maybe you need my advice. It's kind of called a ip bridge.
[10:52:50] <Holger> rom1dep: You're redirecting both xmpp-client and xmpps-client to port 5223?
[10:54:16] <404> you-server-localhost:5223 => other-server-ip:443
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[10:55:59] <Holger> rom1dep: A typical setup would be xmpp-client => 5222 and xmpps-client => 5223, no?
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[10:58:18] <Holger> rom1dep: Apart from that, I'm confused because your config sounds like sslh is running on server1.net but the s_client command line then connects to server2.org instead.
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[10:59:57] <Holger> I'd use more descriptive host names in examples :-)  (proxy.example.net redirects to xmpp.example.com or something.)
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[11:10:03] <404> Oh, this Chinese firewalls.Now I understand why I have so few Chinese users.
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[11:11:36] <rom1dep> Holger: I'll update the ticket, indeed. Something I'm not clear about regarding xmpp-client and xmpps-client, if I send xmpp-client to 5222, doesn't it need to listen tls as well?
[11:13:49] <Holger> rom1dep: Hmm now I'm not sure what you're asking.  The usual setup is that ejabberd has a STARTTLS (xmpp-client) listener on port 5222 and a TLS-on-connect (xmpps-client) listener on port 5223.
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[11:14:21] <Holger> The 5222 listener has 'starttls_required: true', the 5223 listener has 'tls: true'.
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[11:14:50] <rom1dep> clear
[11:16:56] <404> rom1dep,  STARTTLS This allows you to use the encrypted and unencrypted on one port. TLS only encryptions allow.
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[14:12:17] <madmalkav> I love it when I slightly mess the config file in a way the server works but the web panel will only show the virtual hosts option and it is empty
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[16:08:33] <404> Holger,  You also switched to using postgresql?
[16:08:42] <Holger> No.
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[16:09:11] <Holger> (Well I'm involved with two servers, one of them uses MariaDB, the other one PostgreSQL.)
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[16:26:16] <404> Many people say that postgresql has better support on very high-load projects (over millions of users online) Allegedly, Mysql engine contains bugs in replication
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[16:33:20] <Holger> I've seen other people say that it depends on the load, and I'm not sure how Postgres' replication compares to Galera, but whatever.  If in doubt, just go for Postgres.
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[16:35:18] <Holger> If your load is non-trivial, you should read at least <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server>.
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[16:40:35] <404> Holger,  Thanks
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