Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[09:46:09] <Holger> Oh, Psi supports room avatars as well.
[09:48:44] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/25iVKQTY4VzifkHM/mOf8h4BBQKaAdmmhcdlltw.jpg
[09:49:07] <Link Mauve> And has been supporting them for decades, apparently.
[09:49:37] <SouL> Does Conversations support room avatars?
[09:49:52] <Link Mauve> I want to make a counter-proposal for avatar discovery in MUC, I’m writing a XEP for that.
[09:50:01] <Link Mauve> Stay tuned.
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[09:51:18] <edhelas> but does the "presences from the muc" thing doesn't work fine already ?
[09:51:37] <SouL> Link Mauve, good, I will
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[09:52:37] <Link Mauve> edhelas, not when you want to disco them without entering first.
[09:52:48] <Link Mauve> See for instance this: https://chat.jabberfr.org/
[09:53:03] <edhelas> ah yes indeed
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[10:17:15] <genofire> Holger: gajim only in popup/tooltip :(
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[10:22:05] <Holger> genofire: My Gajim also shows them in the 'Groupchats' list (like other contact avatars) and at the top of the chat window.
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[10:23:55] <genofire> Okay in list you are right (normal deactivated) but not at top of chat
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[10:31:47] <Holger> Hm, I have 1.0.3.
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[10:32:05] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/zf3kqqJ9f3RUwXLx/WWFppNZOTFOV3PU3NkrIew.jpg
[10:35:22] <genofire> v1.0.3?
[10:35:36] <genofire> hmm
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[10:36:17] <zuglufttier> Holger, this is the future:
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[10:36:31] <zuglufttier> https://honigdachse.de/upload/979d44fce653cf0fe84f7b8b1bd841f7d053fc8f/hgxwIzkmXZ3126EYuCyUxGw0p7EL9BPGp6RoDPoL/2018-08-14-123610_979x878_scrot.png
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[10:37:11] <zuglufttier> Damned.
[10:37:17] <zuglufttier> Wrong MUC.
[10:37:55] <Holger> Well I posted screenshots in both MUCs :-)
[10:38:01] <Holger> This is the current Git code?
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[10:38:22] <zuglufttier> From another branch, yes.
[10:38:35] <edhelas> zuglufttier what client is it ?
[10:38:39] <zuglufttier> Gajim.
[10:39:20] <genofire> hmm there are not every muc avatar loaded ...
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[10:39:42] <zuglufttier> From here: https://dev.gajim.org/lovetox/gajim/tree/messagewindow
[10:39:49] <zuglufttier> genofire, not every MUC has one.
[10:40:04] <zuglufttier> Older servers don't support them at all.
[10:42:02] <genofire> zuglufttier, of course - but this one as example (and some else, could i see at conversions and pix-art)
[10:43:00] <genofire> The tabs are gone - nice
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[10:43:21] <genofire> I hate it that the tabs disappear in roster view
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[11:41:49] <zinid> I should unsubscribe from github issues
[11:42:40] <edhelas> does ejabberd supports PEP over MUC (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0316.html) and if no will it be difficult to support it ?
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[11:45:18] <zinid> > what client is it ?
Looks ugly as fuck
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[11:47:40] <zinid> I don't even understand why
[11:47:56] <zinid> probably because of those ugly "rainbow" fonts
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[11:57:06] <Holger> zinid: You mean the nickname colors?
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[11:57:43] <Holger> It should use avatars of course, and maybe some spacing between the messages. But it's better than before IMO.
[11:58:27] <zinid> better, but when I look at some commercial client I see better picture
[11:58:36] <Holger> Sure.
[11:58:41] <zuglufttier> The view of the chat itself is still old.
[11:58:44] <zinid> I'm not a designer so I cannot even tell where the problem is
[11:58:50] <zuglufttier> That will be updated as well.
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[11:59:21] <zinid> if I was client developer I would rather hire some designer
[11:59:45] <zinid> terrible UI is a cancer of OSS
[12:00:07] <edhelas> meh :(
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[12:01:15] <zuglufttier> UI is everything.
[12:01:38] <zuglufttier> But it's hard to do.
[12:01:57] <zinid> yeah, if you don't read anything about it
[12:02:15] <zinid> I think one should just invest time in it reading lots of literature
[12:02:43] <zinid> it's just the majority of developers find it "boring"
[12:05:20] <zuglufttier> True. There are certain principles which are easy to follow but not every developer will listen to you because they have their own ideas ;)
[12:05:58] <edhelas> I'm just follow other projects ideas for Movim :p
[12:06:09] <edhelas> don't have time to design my own stuff
[12:06:50] <zuglufttier> Yeah, but even then it would make more sense to follow common guidelines instead of other projects which will make their own mistakes.
[12:07:12] <zinid> zuglufttier, "own ideas" - that's what makes the problem worse: "they" don't see the problem in UI and if you tell them their UI sucks "they" just tell you to STFU
[12:07:22] <zuglufttier> zinid, agreed.
[12:07:29] <zuglufttier> A common problem :D
[12:07:58] <zuglufttier> You also should do user tests.
[12:08:10] <zuglufttier> Let someone use your program, watch them and takes notes.
[12:08:25] <zinid> also a very common opinion is that being "modern" is for stupid cunts, I'll be special
[12:08:30] <zuglufttier> Or card sorting for menus, there are a lot of "cheap" tools to make a better UI.
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[12:09:34] <zinid> yeah, but I'm talking mostly about UI, not UX
[12:10:00] <zinid> even with good UX the problem might look like shit due to terrible UI
[12:10:15] <zinid> *the programm
[12:12:41] <zuglufttier> In my opinion, both things are related. Without good UX, you won't get a nice UI.
[12:13:17] <zinid> well, that's true in general, yes
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[12:17:16] <zuglufttier> I'd just copy the design from fractal as a start: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Fractal
[12:17:40] <zuglufttier> Not perfect, but a start.
[12:18:31] <edhelas> so there's an official Matrix client for Gnome :p
[12:19:34] <zuglufttier> Yep.
[12:19:40] <zuglufttier> But without encryption...
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[12:26:28] <Holger> > I'm just follow other projects ideas for Movim :p
I think Daniel initially did an 1:1 copy of various elements of the Hangouts UI to design Conversations.
[12:26:54] <edhelas> yup
[12:26:56] <Holger> I think he said he measured stuff with a ruler :-)
[12:27:12] <edhelas> and then you adapt it to your needs
[12:27:45] <Holger> And then Hangouts dies and everyone complains it doesn't look like WhatsApp.
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[12:37:38] <zinid> IMO whatsapp client is a bit bloated, at least Conversations "roster" looks less bloated
[12:39:01] <zuglufttier> The best thing about WhatsApp is the old fashioned UI. Plus, they will adapt changes to the UI only over a very long time. Only minor differences here and there.
[12:39:22] <zuglufttier> People trust WhatsApp because they know how it works.
[12:39:30] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> what about native audio video implementation for ejabberd?
[12:39:59] <Holger> ejabberd has native support for A/V clients.
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[12:41:09] <Holger> They usually need STUN and TURN services, ejabberd has both for ages.  Plus SIP support.
[12:41:43] <Holger> For A/V conferences, you can use the Jitsi Videobridge with ejabberd.
[12:42:12] <Holger> The only little thing that's missing is clients besides Jitsi.
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[12:42:50] <edhelas> meh :(
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[12:43:00] <Holger> And Movim!!!
[12:43:42] <Holger> edhelas: But IIRC the STUN/TURN discovery was fishy?  Hardcoded servers or something?
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[12:51:32] <zinid> STUN/TURN discovery is documented in their RFCs actually
[12:51:34] <zinid> Ju
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[12:51:47] <zinid> Just a simple SRV lookup
[12:51:57] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i opened the can of pandorra :P
[12:52:21] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> clients are far behind and i don't have the feeling they want to be omplemented.
[12:52:35] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> MOVIM SUCK!
[12:52:39] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> *s*
[12:53:06] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> edhelas if u would implement those audio video stuff
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[12:53:14] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> but wait .. U HAVE IT!
[12:53:19] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> but i never tried it
[12:53:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> and i am still wondering how it connects to be honest .. or on what it's based
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[12:55:45] <Link Mauve> ThUnD3r|Gr33n, Jingle.
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[13:01:13] <edhelas> > be me
> try to simplify the presentation page of Movim https://movim.eu/
> actually have one page only
> explains clearly that there is video-conferencing feature + picture
> people don't see it :(
[13:02:02] <edhelas> there is even CATZ on the screenshot !!
[13:02:02] <edhelas> https://movim.eu/img/visio.png
[13:02:45] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> edhelas and it will connect to my local server ?? not using something like jitsi stun servie ?
[13:04:02] <zinid> Doesn't matter, as long as movim is web based it won't be popular: nerds don't like web shit
[13:04:11] <edhelas> there's an issue for that https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/480 :) I have to find motivation to work on it
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[13:04:35] <edhelas> zinid don't worry there's desktop apps (based on Electron, but it's a secret :o)
[13:04:55] <zinid> Fuck yeah
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[13:05:44] <zinid> Melting my CPU with electron is what I wanted badly
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[13:12:42] <4223> zinid: 👍
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[13:12:58] <edhelas> AND taking all your RAM
[13:13:20] <edhelas> because what's better than launching 5 times Chrome to just load a few web pages on your OS
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[13:14:07] <zinid> Not sure if trolling 🤔
[13:14:46] <edhelas> I hate Electron as much as you do, maybe even more
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[13:19:33] ThUnD3r|Gr33n like cpu eating applicatons ....
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[13:21:12] <edhelas> so you'll love Matrix !
[13:22:32] <zinid> edhelas: so why you use it?
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[13:31:29] <dos> Electron is great for making quick'n'dirty solutions to run an existing web codebase as a desktop app
[13:32:29] <dos> it's all great when you think about it this way, but when you start to consider it a viable solution for developing a proper desktop app, it's a sign that you're going to the dark side of the force :P
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[14:50:23] <Alacer> > And if your SRV record points ChatSecure to port 443, ChatSecure will use port 443, dammit.
Finally In Chatsecure when configuring Account for Own Account Choice, remove 5222 in port setting if DNS is mapped to 443 for xmpp-client, or mention 443 in case you have Standard XMPP Defacto DNS settings. In both cases SSLH was used ...
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[15:18:08] <rom1dep> zinid: I'm still not convinced that "bubbles" is a better design (in the engineering sense) than the gajim wall of text that you don't like. Granted, text is less catchy/fancy/shiny and in this day and age, most (mobile) clients have standardized around bubbles (so now text walls which used to be the norm also lacks in familiarity). But past the initial "wowh" of bubbles and their induced sense of modernity, they just stupidly and unnecessarily waste space. Dense is generally more "productive" (as less UI fiddling/scrolling -> less getting in the user's way).
There's been a trend in the recent years to make desktop apps look and feel more like web pages. Seems neat and familiar at a first glance (as the sad result of web being what we spend most of our time on these days), but guess what isn't a salesman's/marketing speech or a catchy animated piece of pre-digested opinion? Yeah, my *productive*, supposedly distraction free, desktop app.
Not all the fads are good to copy, mimicking mainstream designs can help (a ton) with getting past the first few seconds with a favorable (preconceived) opinion from the user, that doesn't mean that this is good or empowering the user in the long run, neither that (organically evolved) mainstream designs are well though out or any "good".
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[15:18:50] <zinid> not sure I will read all this o_O
[15:19:34] <rom1dep> zinid: eh, sorry about that 🙂
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[15:19:53] <rom1dep> Read it twice, should be almost error free
[15:21:06] <rom1dep> tl;dr dictature of the majority (of apps mimicking each other) isn't necessary good for users, past their first impression
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[15:38:54] <zinid> "apps mimicking each other" is great, it improves UX because you don't need to learn new interface every time
[15:39:01] <Holger> rom1dep: I agree good desktop UI may well be different from good mobile UI.  And I dunno we need bubbles, but I think there's legibility value in spacing.
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[15:39:14] <Holger> But I'm not a designer, what do I know.
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[15:39:46] <zinid> (sorry, I didn't read the wall of text, just answering the last phrases)
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[15:42:32] <Holger> rom1dep: I mean Gajim puts zero additional space between two messages compared to two lines of a single message.  I think that's bad for legibility.
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[15:44:23] <Link Mauve> Screens have become way bigger in the past two decades, it makes sense to have text bigger and more spaced.
[15:44:43] <Link Mauve> Back when I was on a 800×600 14" screen, Gajim’s packed text was perfect.
[15:45:06] <rom1dep> zinid: my (slewed) perspective is that I don't see  software a throwaway app from some store that I install and remove if I don't like the look of it or can't manage to change its color within 30s, but rather as a tool. Like any tool (physical or not) the learning curve, whichever it is, is an investment (with a direct productivity reward).
Maybe I just don't care about the excitation if the novelty and am stupid to see past the few N seconds
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[15:46:29] <rom1dep> Holger: yeah, I'd be ok with slight spacing between messages from different posters
[15:46:52] <zinid> Link Mauve, yeah, it seems like this boils down to 80 characters lines of code ;)
[15:47:16] <zinid> long lines are hard to read after all
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[15:49:28] <Holger> rom1dep: I don't mind a learning curve if the tool is powerful, I like Vim and Mutt.  But we're a different audience than the casual user who just wants a day-to-day chat app of course.  You need different pieces of software for those audiences.
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[15:51:19] <rom1dep> Link Mauve: agreed. But more space shouldn't mean more waste. Using Gmail in 2018 on a 5 years old laptop feels like it needing to be used at 80% zoom. I don't like the attitude of valley's developers on their MacBooks assuming that the rest of the world all has flashy hidpi displays so it's fine to pad everything as nauseam.
[15:51:54] <Link Mauve> Back in 2010 on my 800×600 laptop, I did need to zoom out of most websites.
[15:52:04] <Link Mauve> And people just shunned me for using this kind of device.
[15:52:17] <Link Mauve> Even though I just couldn’t afford anything else.
[15:53:07] <Link Mauve> So I quite understand what you mean.
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[15:53:18] <rom1dep> Holger: again agreed. Just that if there was some "engineering" behind the "fashion" mainstream, perhaps users would have productivity and familiarity both
[15:55:07] <rom1dep> And similarly, I miss so damn hard that there is no longer a single good smartphone with a physical keyboard
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[15:56:16] <Holger> My first one had one as well and I missed it initially, but by now I think I'm faster using those 'swiping' keyboards.
[15:56:22] <rom1dep> Maybe soon I'll be missing a jack connector too
[15:56:42] <Holger> I mean compared to a much-too-small physical keybard.  Not compared to a proper desktop keyboard.
[15:58:26] <rom1dep> Holger: I feel that I got used to the mediocre in most cases. But with as much autocorrect as technology offers, I still can't type while walking without looking at my screen like a distracted idiot
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[15:59:09] <rom1dep> The Nokia n900 was the tip of a golden age
[16:00:33] <rom1dep> Even today Android can't multitask as well 😒
[16:00:44] <dos> I'm still using my Nokia N900 :)
[16:02:13] <rom1dep> dos: I envy you! Take good care of it, it hurts the day it stops
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[16:02:37] <dos> it's my second one, I should still have two backups somewhere xD
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[16:04:31] <dos> I hoped that it would be Neo900 instead already, but well... seems Librem 5 and Pyra will be first
[16:05:16] <rom1dep> I even tried a palm pre 3 after it, would have taken me quite far (great device) if the software/firmware wasn't pre-release grade (had freezes, frequent reboots, and because hp was dropping it, there was no chance of it receiving the deserved love and support)
[16:05:41] <Holger> Hah, found it, Samsung GT-I5510.  This was my first smartphone.
[16:07:19] <edhelas> still having my S3 Mini from 2012 as my daily phone :p
[16:08:52] <404> I bought a first smartphone as a modem.
[16:09:11] <404> 2015
[16:09:22] <rom1dep> I think my brother may have had this Samsung, found the limitations to be more on the Android side than in the keyboard itself 🙂
[16:09:27] <dos> my first smartphone was Openmoko Neo Freerunner in 2008
[16:10:27] <Link Mauve> Same as dos. ^^
[16:10:32] <Link Mauve> So far, it’s also been my last one.
[16:11:24] <dos> after a few years I switched to Nokia N900 and use it till now. I have also S3 (GT-9300) and iPhone 5S, but I use them only for software testing and development
[16:11:24] <Holger> rom1dep: I had some custom ROM on it but I forgot what.
[16:11:44] <dos> Link Mauve: oh! have you used SHR maybe? :)
[16:12:01] <rom1dep> 2008 must have been the Nokia e61i era for me
[16:13:53] <Link Mauve> dos, yup, SHR at first, afterwards hackable:1, and nowadays QtMoko.
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[16:14:49] <Link Mauve> But I mostly stopped using mobile phones altogether, since I got an amazing netbook in 2011. :)
[16:14:55] <dos> I did lots of work on SHR and FSO back in the day ^^
[16:15:04] <Link Mauve> Oh, thanks for that!
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[16:17:52] <rom1dep> I migrated all my SMSes from the e61i (Symbian) to the n900 (maemo), and then to my first Android phone (a LG double core killing machine for the time), only to realize that 35k SMSes was a tad too much for the OS. I think it still is, hopefully I don't SMS anymore 😂
[16:20:00] <rom1dep> (and back to the screen size issue with how having more gives less)
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[17:43:27] <bowlofeggs> i think my old moto droid (OG) still works
[17:43:42] <bowlofeggs> runs an ancient version of cyanogenmod
[17:43:51] <bowlofeggs> physical keyboard too
[17:43:56] <bowlofeggs> sadly CDMA
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[20:24:26] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[20:30:06] ta leaves the room
[20:33:55] fuvuv leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[20:38:15] prefiks leaves the room
[20:39:27] \(*.*)/ leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[20:40:21] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[20:41:06] joekokker leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
[20:42:06] xinit leaves the room
[20:42:06] pod leaves the room
[20:44:54] mightyBroccoli leaves the room: Rechner geht in den Ruhezustand
[20:49:53] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[20:52:55] lorddavidiii leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[20:53:53] pod leaves the room
[20:54:59] frainz leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:00:00] Marzanna leaves the room
[21:00:29] pod leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:06:56] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:09:37] madmalkav leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:09:48] debalance leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:10:21] genofire leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
[21:10:34] fp leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:14:38] nekit leaves the room
[21:15:21] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:27:55] genofire leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:30:35] Dominik Paulus leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:31:02] marc leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:33:16] marek leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:33:58] jeremy leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
[21:35:52] zinid leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:37:36] cippaciong leaves the room
[21:38:13] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:42:23] genofire leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:42:37] Man_Life leaves the room: Logged out
[21:44:30] Andrew Nenakhov leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:46:22] Andrew Nenakhov leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:48:34] adrien leaves the room
[21:48:59] adrien leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:49:15] genofire leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:50:26] adrien leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[21:56:12] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:58:04] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[21:59:36] joekokker leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[22:00:04] debalance leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:00:04] cippaciong leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:00:07] Licaon_Kter leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:01:12] srgcdev leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[22:03:36] tyler leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:03:46] robert_mobil leaves the room
[22:07:55] srgcdev leaves the room
[22:08:18] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:10:58] bowlofeggs leaves the room
[22:11:15] zinid leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:13:18] vanitasvitae leaves the room
[22:13:34] xinit leaves the room
[22:19:13] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:22:27] ludo leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:25:23] genofire leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
[22:26:21] spicewiesel leaves the room
[22:29:28] mightyBroccoli leaves the room: Rechner geht in den Ruhezustand
[22:29:41] sindrake leaves the room
[22:29:44] jeremy leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:30:36] 404 leaves the room
[22:34:05] bowlofeggs leaves the room
[22:34:32] targ leaves the room: offline
[22:39:54] Akasch leaves the room: Rechner geht in den Ruhezustand
[22:41:19] lorddavidiii leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:41:57] deavmi leaves the room
[22:54:53] lorddavidiii leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[22:57:49] madmalkav leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[22:58:26] cippaciong leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:00:47] bowlofeggs leaves the room
[23:01:19] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:05:22] jeremy leaves the room: Machine going to sleep
[23:06:34] adrien leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[23:07:04] zinid leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[23:07:55] tyler leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:14:28] ChaosKid42 leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
[23:16:31] chrys leaves the room: Disconnected: Received SIGTERM
[23:16:31] chrys leaves the room: Disconnected: Received SIGTERM
[23:18:25] dos leaves the room: Stream reset by peer
[23:19:13] jere leaves the room
[23:20:09] lorddavidiii leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:21:15] joekokker leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:25:12] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:26:55] genofire leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:29:28] mightyBroccoli leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:35:00] chrys leaves the room
[23:41:25] paul leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:43:07] madmalkav leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:43:07] Dominik Paulus leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:43:25] genofire leaves the room
[23:43:25] genofire leaves the room
[23:45:07] ta leaves the room
[23:46:13] jere leaves the room
[23:55:23] lorddavidiii leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:56:42] fuvuv leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)
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