ejabberd - Tuesday, September 11, 2018

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[02:18:50] <L29Ah> 22:56:00]<Link Mauve> L29Ah, have you reported your issue with lots of bookmarks to the Gajim devs?  I use it with (currently) 89 MUC bookmarks and it works ok.
yes, i've whined in their MUC
how do you locate a desired bookmark in the list?
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[04:46:53] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:
> in this sense opensource tones you up: if noone can build your program then noone will use it ;)
Or if it builds you can do anything with it since the notworj daes not federate, eg. signal
[04:47:02] <Licaon_Kter> *network
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[05:05:20] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: https://github.com/djmaze/mxbridge
The prophecy has been fulfilled using Erlang
_we should just collaborate and bridge everything together, the more federation and interop the better_
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[05:07:20] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: it's elixir
[05:07:55] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah..whatever....😋
[05:08:15] <Licaon_Kter> BEAM something something
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[05:13:56] <zinid> > _we should just collaborate and bridge everything together, the more federation and interop the better_
It was much better not to create Matrix at all: there would no be need to interop, but yeah, now they are busy writing bridges, because the hype is over and they failed miserably eventually
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[05:14:55] <zinid> Also, this bridge is just a bot, utter shit
[05:15:07] <L29Ah> no proper transports?
[05:15:45] <zinid> L29Ah: no idea, I am just given links and ranting
[05:17:46] <zinid> L29Ah: btw, did you notice in this part of the internetz nobody is hyping telegram? :)
[05:18:27] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: where is Telegram hyped exactly?
[05:19:04] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: which part is "this" exactly?
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[05:20:08] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: in Russia, outside of Russia
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[05:20:45] <L29Ah> zinid: yeah
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[05:24:21] <Licaon_Kter> "Channels" and "you can use username instead of phone no" where the redeeming features iirc.
But "not encrypted by default (or channels)" means it gets bad press.
[05:24:27] <Licaon_Kter> *were
[05:25:38] <L29Ah> riot is cool and badass
[05:25:56] <L29Ah> everyone likes web browsers with bootstrap css
[05:26:30] <L29Ah> what do i advise my friends that tell me tkabber looks like shit from 90's?
[05:28:16] <L29Ah> zinid: i find it peculiar tho that the very same people that were praising xmpp for the liberty it provides are suddenly bought by the sticker packs and selling it further, i don't get it
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[05:48:52] <Licaon_Kter> But the future, smth smth blockchain
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/08/decentralisation-next-big-step-for-the-world-wide-web-dweb-data-internet-censorship-brewster-kahle
Matrix gets a mention...
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[05:52:24] <zinid> "next"
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[05:53:42] <zinid> 2000s were decentralized, at least the web part, so this is a step back
[05:54:02] <zinid> the next step will be an internet with google and facebook mainframes
[05:54:32] <zinid> damn, I can rant about it endlessly :D
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[05:57:53] <zinid> L29Ah‎:
> the very same people that were praising xmpp for the liberty it provides
I think those people chose xmpp not for its properties (whatever they were) but because of the hype, now they moved to another hyped stuff
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[06:13:32] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:
> 2000s were decentralized, at least the web part, so this is a step back
👍
[06:14:26] <zuglufttier> E-mail was decentralised back then, too. At least in Germany there were several bigger providers and many small ones, too.
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[06:15:07] <Licaon_Kter> Also they talk about the lack of _"a killer app"_, that sounds contrary to the purpose though 🤔
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[06:23:02] <Licaon_Kter> BTW, ZeroNet has a lot going on, as a distributed, decentralized thing.
[06:23:55] <Licaon_Kter> https://decentralizedwebsummit2018.sched.com/mobile/#page:page-schedule  a ot of Matrix speakers, no XMPP ones?
Matrix is decentralized? In what way?
Can you run Matrix on .onion/.i2p only?🤔
[06:24:41] <zinid> there are tons already of different zeronets, all those dweb, ipfs, dat, i2p, all types of blockchains, nothing fires so far
[06:27:07] <zinid> matrix is decentralized in the same sense as xmpp and email?
[06:27:27] <zinid> based on DNS, efficiently building a power-law network
[06:28:29] <zinid> and the last stage of any power-law network is a couple of giant servers controlling the whole network, see gmail
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[06:29:25] <Licaon_Kter> > matrix is decentralized in the same sense as xmpp and email?
I mean more than XMPP, they're the same, but their whole discourse is (as far as I see it) to _decentralize more by running matrix bridges_😋
[06:30:12] <zinid> they are crazy or stupid, dunno, probably they don't even know already what to say to bring attention to their failing crap
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[06:32:35] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, did you see already they removed all crap about xmpp from their FAQ? Now their rhetorics: let's be friends
[06:32:43] <zinid> clearly backpedaling
[06:32:53] <Licaon_Kter> https://decred.org/community/ crypto, decentralized etc, but no XMPP community 🤔
[06:33:36] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:
> Licaon_Kter, did you see already they removed all crap about xmpp from their FAQ?
I saw someone mention that, but didn't get a chance to dig an archive
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[06:34:47] <zinid> what is this Decred about?
[06:35:01] <zinid> and why we want to be mentioned there?
[06:35:36] <Licaon_Kter> I really don't understand, _"smth smth blockchain for X"_
[06:36:04] <zinid> okay  😁
[06:36:06] <Licaon_Kter> Funny that they have SO MANY, irc, discord, matrix...etc....but not xmpp
[06:36:51] <zinid> kakaotalk - the fuck is this? 😁
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[06:37:52] <Licaon_Kter> Exactly
[06:38:05] <zinid> from their site:
사람과 세상, 그 이상을 연결하는
카카오톡
[06:38:16] <Licaon_Kter> That explains all
[06:38:19] <Licaon_Kter> 🙅
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[06:41:57] <zinid> > Decred is a multi-platform digital currency with support for Windows, macOS, and Linux. Easy-to-use wallet apps enable sending, receiving, and mining Decred with just a few clicks.
[06:42:13] <zinid> > Decred has two methods of validating transactions: Proof-of-work (PoW) and Proof-of-stake (PoS).
[06:42:20] <zinid> fuck this shit
[06:42:32] <Licaon_Kter> Now explain your last quote! 👍
[06:42:49] <Licaon_Kter> Just try...
[06:43:34] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, PoW is the stuff melting your cpu/gpu for no reason
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[06:43:56] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, but the other? Create your own, wtf?
[06:44:57] <zinid> proof of stake? It's when the one with more money has more credibility to validate transactions
[06:45:58] <zinid> money I mean coins of course
[06:46:55] <Link Mauve> Licaon_Kter, as long as you will base your money income on who has more <anything that can be bought using rl money>, you’ve lost as capitalists will always have more than you.
[06:47:17] <Licaon_Kter> Yup
[06:47:19] <zinid> the idea is that it's economically meaningless to sabotage the network when you have a lot of coins - you lose your coins due to cryptocurrency inflation as a result
[06:47:20] <Link Mauve> Be it CPUs, GPUs, ASICs, storage, or anything similar.
[06:47:39] <Licaon_Kter> 🤔
[06:48:26] <zinid> so it's advertised as a basis for byzantine fault tolerance, but there are research papers proving them wrong
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[07:04:36] <L29Ah> 09:48:26]<zinid> so it's advertised as a basis for byzantine fault tolerance, but there are research papers proving them wrong
can you suggest any?
[07:07:02] <zinid> what, papers? Sorry, need to google for them, there was a thread on HN where people brought the links
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[07:09:44] <L29Ah> keywords?
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[07:14:21] <zinid> https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-00945053/document
[07:14:55] <zinid> keywords in google scholar: proof-of-stake attack
[07:16:02] <zinid> the problem is that it's hard to understand what's going on
[07:16:13] <zinid> a lot of research papers biased as fuck due to hype
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[07:29:53] <L29Ah> > if the attacker’s motivation is large enough (and this is common knowledge), he will succeed in his attack at no cost.
what
[07:30:09] <L29Ah> ok seems i have to actually read it
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[08:36:27] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: this should fall right on your alley 😋
http://n-gate.com/hackernews/ (updated weekly kinda)
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[08:42:11] <zinid> "cryptology'
[08:42:14] <zinid> lmao
[08:42:16] <zinid> good term
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[09:26:33] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> dear all.. has someone a gninx proxypass and ejabberd snippet for httpupload.. I'm a kind of stupid getting this running :)
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[09:36:16] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: this? https://github.com/weiss/ngx_http_upload
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[09:43:39] <zinid> requires ejabberd from master, no?
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[09:47:55] <zinid> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17958305
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[09:48:05] <zinid> https://twitter.com/ProcessOne/status/1039442556243922944
[09:48:33] <zinid> guys, consider upvoting if you have accounts there  😋
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[09:49:43] <Link Mauve> What is a broker?
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[09:51:24] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, an mqtt server, the term is from stone age and is considered obsoleted, but kinda got stuck
[09:51:38] <Licaon_Kter> Does MQTT have e2ee? Blockchain support? At least DHT? No? 😐
[09:51:58] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: thanks, wanted the same info too
[09:52:24] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, no, it's not a modern protocol :(
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[10:04:45] <madmalkav> I want my logs in INFO level at this moment, but all those connections from the load balancer are filling it with garbage.
[10:05:16] <madmalkav> Is there a way I can discard to log some especific messages?
[10:05:27] <Holger> No, you need to modify the source.
[10:05:41] <madmalkav> Ok
[10:06:07] <madmalkav> I think I won't continue info them, only activate it when needed
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[10:07:24] <Holger> You can change back and forth on-the-fly with "ejabberdctl set-loglevel 3" or "4".
[10:09:13] <madmalkav> Oh, I totally missed that one when I read thr ejabberdctl options, great
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[10:17:50] <Holger> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17958305
[10:18:40] edhelas will move Movim to MQTT
[10:19:34] <MattJ> So that you don't have to deal with error handling when you publish? :)
[10:20:10] <MattJ> Ha, "first ever"... https://modules.prosody.im/mod_pubsub_mqtt.html is 5 years old
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[10:23:40] <Link Mauve> MattJ, you didn’t advertise it everywhere, so it doesn’t count!!!
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[10:24:06] <MattJ> I should have written a "first ever" blog post, maybe I should write more
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[10:24:45] <Link Mauve> Maybe I should too.
[10:24:49] <Holger> 2*160 lines!
[10:25:05] <Link Mauve> What about the first ever bookmark synchronisation XMPP server? :D
[10:25:05] <Holger> Looks dead-simple.  No idea why zinid was complaining all day :D
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[10:33:55] <madmalkav> mqtt makes people complain. My boss completely hates that shit
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[10:34:52] <madmalkav> But here se use 3.1 , I hope things improve in 5 p
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[10:35:09] <madmalkav> 5.0
[10:36:39] <L29Ah> changelog: improved boss support
[10:37:23] <MattJ> Yes, I definitely complained all day while implementing it
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[10:59:43] <Licaon_Kter> fluux.io cort expired in June lol
[10:59:46] <Licaon_Kter> *cert
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[12:51:25] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: where did you get that cert?
[12:52:51] <Holger> https://fluux.io -- I've seen problem but it seems to be fixed now.
[12:53:45] <Licaon_Kter> Not fixed for me
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[12:59:42] <Holger> Hrm it flaps.  Load balancer or so?
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[13:01:00] <Holger> $ for i in `seq 1 10`
> do
> openssl s_client -servername fluux.io -connect fluux.io:443 2>&1 </dev/null | fgrep Verify
> sleep 1
> done
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
    Verify return code: 10 (certificate has expired)
    Verify return code: 10 (certificate has expired)
    Verify return code: 10 (certificate has expired)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
    Verify return code: 10 (certificate has expired)
    Verify return code: 10 (certificate has expired)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
[13:02:18] <Licaon_Kter> 👍 50%
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[13:15:24] <zuglufttier> It's only sometimes expired.
[13:15:41] <zuglufttier> Holger, are you trapped in a time loop?
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[13:18:48] <Holger> Yes I'm at work, time never passes here.
[13:18:57] <Holger> Must be some trickery of my employer.
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[13:33:36] <zinid> > So that you don't have to deal with error handling when you publish? :)
MQTT5.0 finally has error codes and even reasons ;)
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[13:36:59] <MattJ> Yay
[13:37:03] <MattJ> I haven't looked at it yet
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[13:39:14] <zinid> Well, the protocol became more complicated overall
[13:40:01] <MattJ> Can't win
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[13:41:09] <zinid> and I honestly don't understand the further complication: reason codes are nice, but 'content-type'?
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[13:43:12] <zinid> for me this sounds like adding 'content-type' to TCP
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[13:44:11] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> +1 for content type TCP.. UDP would be nie too
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[13:47:36] <MattJ> HTTP is the new TCP
[13:48:19] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> MQTT will be the next XMPP
[13:48:32] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> you can even send media files encrypted via MQTT
[13:48:39] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> bye bye httpupload
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[13:48:46] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> bye bye ejabberd.
[13:48:50] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> t in peace ZINID :)
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[13:52:06] <zinid> https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=xmpp,mqtt
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[13:55:53] <Link Mauve> How do they get data for Cuba?  Isn’t Google enforcing the USA’s stupid blockade?
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[13:59:30] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> well.. i was right :)
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[14:02:26] <Licaon_Kter> Looks like everybody "knows" what XMPP is so they don't "search" for it
[14:02:55] <Holger> Yeah.  Seems more an more people know it.
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[14:05:18] <Link Mauve> https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=xmpp,mqtt,jabber
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[14:05:25] <Link Mauve> You can add xmpp and jabber if you want.
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[14:07:28] <zinid> https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=xmpp,mqtt,jabber,http
[14:07:36] <zinid> seems like nobody knows what http is
[14:08:14] <Holger> Two years ago at FOSDEM, Nÿco has proven that the declining XMPP popularity curve is a clear indication of our upcoming success.
[14:08:19] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/SnHTyvXn6xuiSxXI/fosdem-2016-the-state-of-xmpp-and-instant-messaging-the-awakening-22-638.jpg
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[14:08:56] <Holger> Right now we're going towards the 'Trough of Disillusionment' point, as shown by Google.
[14:09:41] <zinid> how to prove that?
[14:10:14] <Holger> I was making fun of his proof, but I think he was being serious.
[14:10:22] <zinid> :)
[14:10:48] <edhelas> XMPP is not dead is just that now everyone is using it they are not looking for it anymore on Google
[14:10:50] <edhelas> wait...
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[14:12:33] <Holger> zinid: But IIRC he was smart enough not to mention an actual timeline, so he can never be proven wrong :-)
[14:13:04] <zinid> Holger, that's how marketing works ;)
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[14:24:41] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=xmpp,holger,jabber,zinid
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[14:25:11] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> esting.. Zinid doesn't ply any role in XMPP while Holger has a nice peak  in July 2016 :)
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[19:01:49] <marc> zinid, have some time to work on 'easy user onboarding' again
[19:01:58] <marc> zinid, I'm missing now_to_utc_string()
[19:02:10] <marc> (rebasing my patches on master atm)
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[19:10:07] <marc> zinid, okay, found the commit that removed it. Is there a replacement for it somewhere?
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[19:14:09] <Holger> marc: xmpp:encode_timestamp/1.
[19:15:38] <marc> Holger, xmpp_util
[19:15:42] <marc> but thanks
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[19:16:38] <Holger> Er, yes, sorry.
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[19:18:36] <marc> Holger, nice, thanks
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[20:02:08] <zinid> marc, be careful - the function now fails with {bad_timestamp, TS} exception
[20:02:21] <zinid> ah, encode
[20:02:25] <zinid> ok, encode doesn't fail ;)
[20:02:29] <marc> :)
[20:02:53] <marc> zinid, works like charm and xmpp_* looks more clean :)
[20:03:14] <zinid> sure, that was the point ;)
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