Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[06:35:12] <lenka> After upgrading to 18.06 i get broken omemo key exchange.
I was comment out lines with `...axolotl..` in `force_node_config` section, but it doesn't take effect.
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[06:56:46] <Licaon_Kter> lenka: Conversations 2.2.9 right?
[06:57:34] <lenka> Yes. In gajim 1.somthing is same behavior
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[07:02:33] <Licaon_Kter> Old accounts from before upgrade?  Could you test with new ones?
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[07:04:30] <lenka> Cleared Conversations's data
[07:05:22] <lenka> Not tried with new account on server
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[07:09:51] <lenka> Licaon_Kter: hmm... Can you try contact xmpp:tester@unwired.cf ?
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[07:12:16] <Licaon_Kter> lenka: "messages from strangers are rejected" lol
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[07:13:32] <lenka> I'm introvert :) Does you received any omemo key?
[07:14:21] <Licaon_Kter> No, of course..remove the limitation to test
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[07:16:48] <lenka> I think, it should work in spite of rejection of messages
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[07:17:19] <lenka> I'm need some time to remove it
[07:17:58] <zinid> what time? just comment mod_block_strangers and `ejabberdctl reload-config`
[07:18:10] <Licaon_Kter> Nope
[07:18:20] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: +1
[07:18:33] <zinid> then uncomment it and reload again
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[07:20:19] <lenka> zinid: ssh on mobile not so fast
[07:20:57] <lenka> I did it
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[07:22:26] <Licaon_Kter> lenka: so...it works?
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[07:22:58] <lenka> Looks like that...
[07:23:32] <lenka> Then... New question. How make old accounts omemo- enabled?
[07:24:42] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe something borked, stop server, move  /var/lib/ejabberd/pubsub* to /tmp, retry....
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[07:25:07] <Licaon_Kter> Clients should republish  their keys
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[07:30:28] <lenka> `# mv /var/lib/ejabberd/pubsub* pubsub/
# systemctl start ejabberd`
Time to test?
[07:32:36] <Licaon_Kter> Works
[07:32:56] <Licaon_Kter> Try between old users
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[07:42:40] <lenka> > Maybe something borked, stop server, move  /var/lib/ejabberd/pubsub* to /tmp, retry....
This is good solution. Now key exchange works.
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[07:52:18] <madmalkav> Is there a way I can know which option is default in ejabberd? i.e. if I don't set the "mam" param in mod_muc, it defaults to true or false?
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[07:55:55] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: docs.ejabberd.im ?
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[07:56:26] <Licaon_Kter> Sorry, I meant _*RTFM n00b*_ 😁
[07:57:29] <zinid> madmalkav, I was thinking on dumping a warning if default option is set, but I'm not sure...
[07:57:45] <zinid> I mean when an option is set with a default value
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[08:01:18] <madmalkav> Licaon_Kter: it doesn't say it on the docs
[08:01:41] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: that would be nice, clean up the config
[08:02:05] <madmalkav> zinid: perhaps just a ejabberdctl command to dump "effective" config ? There we can see what defaults where loaded
[08:02:32] <zinid> madmalkav, yeah, I'm also inclined now to a separate command
[08:02:40] <zinid> but it's harder to implement :)
[08:03:06] <zinid> something like `ejabberdctl dump-config`
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[08:03:39] <zinid> which will remove obsoleted/default/etc options,
[08:03:50] <madmalkav> Sounds great
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[08:44:57] <madmalkav> When mam activated, mod_muc saves messages in "archives" table in SQL ?
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[08:56:14] <zinid> madmalkav, only whem mam is enabled in the particular room, yes
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[08:56:44] <madmalkav> Oh, fuck, right, if the room was created before the default, it won't have it active
[08:56:48] <madmalkav> Gonna fix it, thanks
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[09:04:43] <madmalkav> ejabberdctl delete_old_messages should also work with PGSQL?
[09:07:01] <madmalkav> Oh, delete_old_mam_messages
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[09:07:21] <madmalkav> I forget there is more message archiving tham MAM
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[09:08:54] <madmalkav> Curious, delte_old_mam_messages deleted the messages of one domain, but not the other. I suppose I have to pass the domain name as param or something
[09:12:00] <Holger> No it's not per-host right now (nobody was interested so far).
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[09:12:42] <Holger> You just select 'chat' vs. 'groupchat' vs. 'all' messages.
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[09:36:10] <madmalkav> Well, then something went south, because the command only applied to the messages of one of my two hosts
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[09:55:35] <zinid> okay, I ended up rewriting ejabberd_listener completely :/
[09:55:55] <zinid> next goal is to migrate to ranch
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[10:01:33] <madmalkav> For testing my theory about delete_old_mam_messages I'm going to edit the server_host part of an entry directly in the DB. Is that a bad idea for some reason or it is safe to do?
[10:02:05] <Holger> zinid: Were you triggered by a performance bottleneck or missing functionality or just code ugliness?
[10:02:19] <daniel> zinid, Link Mauve: https://gultsch.de/files/bookmarks-conversion.html
[10:02:34] <zinid> Holger, performance, jackal was accepting faster than ejabberd, I fixed that
[10:02:37] <zinid> :D
[10:02:41] <Holger> Hehe.
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[10:03:17] <zinid> yeah, comparison with competitors is toning me up ;)
[10:03:20] <Holger> madmalkav: That's safe (ignoring possible confusion of clients).
[10:04:09] <Holger> zinid: IIRC you were motivated to implement bookmarks conversion (analogous to mod_avatar) a while back?
[10:04:47] <madmalkav> That domain no longer exists, network guys asked us to change a . to a -
[10:04:49] <Holger> zinid: (re daniel's XEP up there)
[10:04:52] <madmalkav> Perhaps it is related
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[10:09:31] <zinid> Holger, yeah, but that new stupid XEP hinders everything
[10:09:57] <zinid> I'm not sure what convertion to use: to these new bookmarks or to legacy one?
[10:13:24] <Link Mauve> zinid, no one seems interested to bookmarks 2.
[10:13:30] <Link Mauve> daniel, thanks! <3
[10:13:56] <daniel> zinid: the 'old' one.
[10:13:56] <daniel> I can be more explicit about that in my xep tho
[10:13:56] <daniel> Bookmarks 2 is completely stupid and creates more problems than it solves
[10:14:04] <Link Mauve> I had something half-written, but I was on “holidays” and only saw your message this morning.
[10:14:37] <zinid> daniel,
> Bookmarks 2 is completely stupid and creates more problems than it solves
My thoughts exactly ;)
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[11:34:36] <edhelas> lots of discussions around ActivityPub https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18013800
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[11:50:58] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: you have an @ctivitypub notification thing for the hot-word _activitypub_ and then you drop your template text?
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[11:51:17] <edhelas> eheh :^)
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[11:51:41] <edhelas> maybe I can do a Pubsub notification from articles related to ActivityPub
[11:51:50] <edhelas> not sure if ejabberd will handle the load
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[12:22:29] <Licaon_Kter> >   Otherwise, the Riot team has got sucked into working on commercial Matrix stuff, for better or worse (all shall be revealed shortly though!)
And....
https://modular.im/
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[12:23:31] <Licaon_Kter> _5x cheaper for early adopters_
[12:23:37] <Licaon_Kter> *than Slack
[12:23:52] <MattJ> Ouch
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[12:24:16] <MattJ> Given the performance requirements of the current Matrix implementation, they're going to struggle
[12:25:48] <zinid> LMAO
[12:27:38] edhelas notes that he should buy shares in AMD, Corsair, Intel and Kingston in case Matrix is becoming really successfull
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[12:30:45] <daniel> It feels expansive though
[12:30:45] <daniel> c.im is a lot cheaper
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[12:32:02] <edhelas> > We're busy shrinking the servers to make them cheaper 😀
[12:32:24] <edhelas> 50 "medium teams" wow
[12:32:52] <Holger> Users chat for free for 2 days!
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[12:34:25] <edhelas> and I though that Movim had issues to scale, I can go up to 100 simultaneous sessions on a 10€/month instance easily :p
[12:34:32] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: umm 🤔
```
src/ejabberd_stun.erl:42: head mismatch
src/ejabberd_stun.erl:33: function listen_options/0 undefined
src/ejabberd_stun.erl:33: function start/2 undefined
Compiling src/ejabberd_stun.erl failed
```
It was HEAD -1, retrying HEAD now
[12:34:51] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: you need to price higher when you target *bussiness* 🙄
[12:34:55] <MattJ> daniel, woah, yes... hadn't actually looked at the price
[12:35:23] <edhelas> MattJ it's the price of using new technologies like JSON on top of HTTP
[12:35:34] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: ah, you compiled without stun support?
[12:35:42] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: I will check
[12:36:29] <Licaon_Kter> MattJ:
> Given the performance requirements of the current Matrix implementation, they're going to struggle
They've switched to jemalloc, soon compress states ( https://github.com/erikjohnston/rust-synapse-compress-state/blob/master/README.md ) and still the federation part borks ( https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/pull/3875/files ) 😐
[12:37:08] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:
` git pull && make update && ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-new-sql-schema --enable-pgsql --enable-user=ejabberd --enable-group=ejabberd  --prefix=/usr/local && time make ` 🤷
[12:37:25] <Licaon_Kter> As usual...
[12:37:46] <edhelas> Licaon_Kter  # Sometimes the timeout above doesn't work, so lets hack yet
# another layer of timeouts in in the vain hope that at some
# point the world made sense and this really really really
# should work.
[12:37:50] <edhelas> :D wow
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[12:39:15] <zinid> > MattJ:
> They've switched to jemalloc, soon compress states ( https://github.com/erikjohnston/rust-synapse-compress-state/blob/master/README.md ) and still the federation part borks ( https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/pull/3875/files ) 😐
Overengineered crap
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[12:45:48] <tyler> Underengineered
[12:47:10] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: why isn't `--enable-new-sql-schema` default YES? I feel like it should be
[12:47:38] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: yes, but this requires auto converter
[12:47:49] <zinid> Which is not ready yet
[12:47:52] <Licaon_Kter> Oh right...
[12:49:03] <Holger> The new schema could be enabled in the example config file ...
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[15:09:02] <madmalkav> Business Edition supports something like Openfire Connection Managers?
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[15:09:52] <madmalkav> Now seems my company wants to set a server in a internet reachable zone, and have the rest of the xmpp infrastructure out of that zone
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[15:20:36] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, please `git pull`, should be fixed now
[15:22:09] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: started building....we'll see
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[15:23:01] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: let me recommend you setup a CI run with defaults only too, it would have caught this 😁
[15:23:04] <zinid> yeah, the code is refactored significantly, could be glitches...
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[15:54:56] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: compi
[15:55:05] <Licaon_Kter> led fine, thanks
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[15:56:53] <zinid> madmalkav, not sure what "openfire connection managers" means, but seems like you mean s2s relaying?
[15:58:17] <MattJ> zinid, due to lack of real clustering and poor performance with high numbers of connections, they created "connection managers" which act a little like c2s proxies
[15:58:29] <zinid> ah
[15:58:37] <MattJ> as I understood it at the time, I'm not an Openfire dev or user
[15:59:01] <MattJ> It's possible they proxy s2s too for example, not sure
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[16:00:43] <zinid> well, s2s proxying is relatively easy to implement
[16:00:51] <zinid> basically you just need to remove checks :D
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[16:02:19] <madmalkav> Ummm, the idea is to expose a limited number of servers to internet, and that ones to comunicate with the intranet ones, but being part of the samd domain
[16:02:53] <madmalkav> So yeah, some kind of proxy, or federating servers that work with the same domain
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[16:10:57] <zinid> well, there is no such functionality
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[16:15:54] <ChaosKid42> madmalkav: Just using e.g. haproxy exposed to the Internet which basically transfers all your s2s traffic back to your ejabberd server wouldn't be enough I guess?
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[16:18:25] <madmalkav> ChaosKid42: in that case, if I use haproxy instead of a xmpp server, it won't be c2s instead of s2s, right? Didn't though about that option
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[16:21:37] <ChaosKid42> You could expose whatever ports you like/you want to the Internet. Question is if this gives you enough additional security compared to just exposing your ejabberd server and using some port filter firewall.
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[16:22:55] <madmalkav> It is not what I want to do, it is what security team allows and network teams provide
[16:23:02] <zinid> ChaosKid42, usually enterprise admins are resisting to forward ports inside the intranet
[16:23:10] <madmalkav> That is what makes this stuff overcomplicated
[16:24:01] <ChaosKid42> zinid: Yeah. That's what I meant.
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[16:25:39] <zinid> I could implement this functionality easily, but I don't think I have rights to do this since this is an "enterprise feature"
[16:26:05] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: https://github.com/surevine/Metre ?
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[16:30:10] <madmalkav> zinid: well, my enterprise will consider it as a reason to pay for business edition, dunno how many other companies feel the same way
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[16:32:10] <madmalkav> Consider not equal to pay for sure , this guys think a lot before expending the money 😅
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[18:20:45] <Licaon_Kter> Mystery unraveled, who thought it was so easy!?
> XMPP spoke XML in an age of JSON
https://blog.digitalscofflaw.com/articles/activitypub-could-be-the-future/
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[18:56:09] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: I actually commented this epic phrase on HN and instantly got some likes, LOL
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[19:00:48] <jr> Licaon_Kter: I think Activity Pub is a bit hard to implement, especial this json-ld thing
[19:01:09] <jr> And its bad documented how to implement
[19:01:28] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17626205
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[19:32:52] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: oh, old news then, I apologize 🙄
[19:33:23] <zinid> accepted
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[19:35:06] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: the new listener, anything I should see different, or do I need 45000 users for that? (And not a RPi1 lol)
[19:36:02] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, just shitload of users is not enough, you should create an avalanche of connections
[19:36:32] <zinid> with the rate more than 1000 conn/sec
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[19:39:14] <Licaon_Kter> Sounds terrible...let me not do that 🙄
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