Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, October 3, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[07:38:52] <Licaon_Kter> #2623 F your template
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[07:44:27] <jh> hi, What is remotecopy and how the database functions in admin-webif work? I don't understand the importance of remote copying in web administration? I didn't find anything about it. Is it possible to copy the database contents to a second database?
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[07:54:49] <jh> ram=ram
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[07:55:06] <jh> mnesia=harddisk
[07:55:28] <jh> remotecopy=MYSQL?
[07:56:59] <zinid> I think that's for mnesia
[07:57:04] <zinid> just don't use it
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[08:06:17] <jh> ok
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[09:38:49] <madmalkav> Can I run a cluster with a 18.06 and a 18.09 up at the same time?
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[09:42:27] <zinid> This is not recommended, because it's not guaranteed to work
[09:42:43] <madmalkav> Ok.
[09:43:14] <madmalkav> I was looking to reduce downtime as much as possible.
[09:43:37] <zinid> In practice this works though 😁
[09:44:27] <madmalkav> Ummm, but if there is a chance it won't , I should consider other procedure to update the cluster
[09:44:32] <zinid> You can attach new node, stop the listeners on old node and new clients will restore their sessions on new node via SM
[09:44:51] <zinid> madmalkav: yes, there is a chance
[09:44:51] <madmalkav> I don't have access to the load balancr config so I must be careful
[09:45:46] <zinid> Anyway, we use this procedure to upgrade the clusters
[09:46:19] <zinid> Note that you reduce new and old code interaction by only migrating the sessions
[09:46:32] <zinid> That works quite well
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[09:52:15] <madmalkav> 👌
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[09:56:59] <zinid> If you don't have access to balancer things becoming more complicated
[09:57:39] <zinid> You just cannot make failover clustering without access to balancer, that's nonsense
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[10:00:33] <madmalkav> I must ask the balancer guys to do their stuff, and that is like asking stuff to the Pope
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[10:01:21] <madmalkav> Wow, big trim to the confif file in 18.09
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[10:02:01] <madmalkav> new_sql_schema : true   no longer required?
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[10:04:09] <zinid> It's required
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[10:04:47] <madmalkav> Ok
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[10:06:27] <ChaosKid42> I'd like to migrate to the new schema. How do I do that? Is there some utility to support this?
[10:06:52] <daniel> ChaosKid42: the blog post for 18.04 or something has it
[10:07:06] <daniel> Or 06. Where ever it was introduced
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[10:14:02] <ChaosKid42> daniel: Thanks. It's 18.03 actually. It says I can use mod_admin_update_sql and then issue `ejabberdctl update_sql`. Hope this works for sqlite, too.
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[10:37:40] <zinid> ChaosKid42: it doesn't
[10:37:55] <zinid> I am working on it
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[10:39:23] <ChaosKid42> OK. Then I'll have to be patient 😃
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[12:07:57] <bammes> Still waiting for 18.09 to arrive in the freebsd ports :)
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[12:11:49] <mightyBroccoli> and the debian ports :)
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[12:31:49] <Licaon_Kter> and the...wait...git has it...so I have it...🤷
😋
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[14:43:04] <madmalkav> I think I already asked this some weeks ago, but not sure: any way of knowing which is the default value for an option?
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[14:46:16] <mightyBroccoli> madmalkav, for the most part you could look in the documentation. I am not sure if all default values are present but at least some of them are.
[14:46:25] <madmalkav> mightyBroccoli: not all
[14:46:39] <zinid> madmalkav, grepping sources will help for sure :)
[14:46:51] <zinid> just grep the option, it's mostly self-explaining
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[14:47:16] <zinid> I understand this is inconveninet, but this is the most trustworthy source
[14:47:35] <madmalkav> 👍
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[14:47:57] <zinid> documentation is somewhat lagging, as always, hehe
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[14:48:24] <zinid> the contribution to docs is highly welcome though :)
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[14:50:32] <zinid> for the record, for module options it's even more easier, every module export mod_options() function where it returns all its defaults
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[14:51:21] <zinid> for example: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_stream_mgmt.erl#L802
[14:51:33] <zinid> you don't need to understand erlang at all
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[15:08:09] <madmalkav> Yeah , I already found it
[15:08:26] <madmalkav> MAM works on a non persistent MUC ?
[15:09:06] <zinid> no
[15:09:27] <madmalkav> Ok, that is the nicest thing I could read right now 😅
[15:09:50] <madmalkav> I was getting mad at why mam wasn't working and I just see that test muc is non persistent
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[15:23:14] <madmalkav> Ah, no, the problem is I redid the config on test machine and was poiting to standby DB in a hot standby setup
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[15:23:50] <zinid> I see :D
[15:23:53] <madmalkav> But it was interesting to see, I previously tried what happened with DB down and seems behaviour is slightly different
[15:24:14] <madmalkav> IIRC with DB down no messages were sent even between online users
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[15:24:43] <madmalkav> With readobly DB messages were sent OK, just not recorded in mam
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[15:24:59] <zinid> because they stuck in SQL queue waiting for database to get back, there is a timeout though
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[15:25:33] <madmalkav> I see
[15:25:55] <zinid> databases suck
[15:26:29] <zinid> it's extemely hard to work around dead database
[15:26:55] <zinid> every case is special
[15:27:22] <zinid> that's why in eBE we use embedded database
[15:27:30] <madmalkav> Oh
[15:27:45] <madmalkav> Didn't know that
[15:27:51] <madmalkav> Where can I read more info?
[15:28:03] <madmalkav> Perhaps that's a good selling point here
[15:28:26] <zinid> nowhere I think :)
[15:28:30] <white_rabbit> eBE = ejabberd Businness Edition?
[15:28:32] <zinid> yeah, I'm great at sales :)
[15:28:37] <zinid> white_rabbit, yes
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[15:29:00] <madmalkav> How does the db behave in cluster?
[15:29:09] <madmalkav> Is a nosql thingiw like riak or ...?
[15:29:23] <zinid> madmalkav, yes, it's a nosql with replication and self-healing
[15:29:44] <zinid> it's embedded into ejabberd, so it's also zeroconf
[15:30:21] <madmalkav> Selfhealing means it knows what to do after netsplit?
[15:30:26] <zinid> yes
[15:30:37] <madmalkav> Fuck. So sellable
[15:30:46] <madmalkav> Habe to tell this to my boss tomorrow
[15:31:15] <zinid> externally you can use SQL client to connect to it, it supports simple SQL queries like select or delete
[15:31:29] <zinid> so basically, you use mysql client to connect to ejabberd :)
[15:31:35] <zinid> this is for simple admin tasks
[15:31:42] <madmalkav> Nah, we don't have a need for thag
[15:31:45] <madmalkav> That
[15:32:04] <madmalkav> eBE have any difference when it comes to http_upload ?
[15:32:11] <zinid> madmalkav, no
[15:32:23] <zinid> we only have support for AWS S3, dunno if you're using it
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[15:33:04] <madmalkav> I *think* perhaps there is support for that in our company, dunno if through Amazon or internal server
[15:33:33] <madmalkav> S3 is some kind of standard right? Or aws s3 only works woth Amazon?
[15:33:48] <MattJ> There are non-Amazon implementations
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[15:44:49] <zinid> madmalkav, what MattJ said: there is for example s3 protocol support by Digital Ocean cloud storage
[15:45:11] <zinid> seems like yeah, a standard de-facto
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[15:48:45] <madmalkav> Now I think about it, I saw an Erlang implementation some time ago called LeoFS or something like that
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[15:49:58] <zinid> madmalkav, you're better off just using nginx maybe?
[15:50:04] <zinid> since 18.09 it's becoming trivial
[15:50:20] <zinid> well, relatively trivial :D
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[15:52:04] <madmalkav> As alwaya in my company, is not about tech stuff, it is about bureucracy. There are other depts in charge of http servers and file storage, and I'm supposed to offload this to them if I can
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[15:52:21] <madmalkav> The more paths to do that, the better
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[19:22:19] <zinid> https://twitter.com/xmpp_is/status/1047558664347901953
[19:22:29] <zinid> all you need to know about qualification of admin of xmpp.is
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[19:24:20] <Licaon_Kter> By priority or weight?🤔
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[19:29:52] <Licaon_Kter> Prosody, right? https://mobile.twitter.com/xmpp_is/status/1035170818999939073
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[19:35:17] <Licaon_Kter> Fun fact I had both 443 and 5222 with SRV same priority but weight 5 for 5222 and 10 for 443. As 443 was redirecting to 5223 (help corporate firewall avoidance) things were ok. So I started testing Converse and 443 was now showing that.....yet Conversations was always resolving the server at :443 and will (as expected) never login.
daniel: is that normal? Shouldn't it jump to the other SRV if the first resolved one fails?
[19:36:01] <daniel> Yes
[19:36:23] <daniel> It should go to the next entry I mean
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[19:40:36] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: I had several users (including me) unable to connect for about a day, until I got time to lower the priority for :5222 to 5.
[19:40:55] <Licaon_Kter> Shou
[19:40:59] <daniel> Licaon_Kter: reproduce and logcat
[19:41:32] <Licaon_Kter> Noting special, "DNS says myip:443, then fail to auth"
[19:41:39] <Licaon_Kter> I'll dig..brb
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[19:42:30] <daniel> If it says authentication failure than there was some xmpp server responding
[19:42:46] <daniel> It will use the first entry that opens a stream
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[19:45:33] <Licaon_Kter> Also of interest, users that never disconnected (eg. Not turn off internet at night) where able to chat as usual
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[19:46:33] <Licaon_Kter> Looks like the log doesn't cover that time frame anymore. I'll repro later.
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[19:46:53] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, right, prosody, and hence SRV or any kind of balancing is pointless because prosody doesn't support clustering
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[19:50:08] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: but what I can see now in the log, the resolver info that C outputs has only priority listed, at least when having different weights.
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[19:50:55] <daniel> Licaon_Kter: that's correct
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