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[09:34:24] <madmalkav> I'm gonna change the node names of my two-nodes cluster. Just stop both, modify node names, start first , start second, issue join command on second node against new name of first node, right?
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[09:34:40] <madmalkav> No weird stuff to do with the SQL database or something, right?
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[09:59:37] <madmalkav> Also, with ejabberdctl stop_kindly , the announcement must go between quotes or something?
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[10:04:04] <Holger> madmalkav: Nothing to do with SQL no.  Maybe ejabberdctl's leave_cluser/join_cluster calls will do the trick, not sure.
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[10:05:56] <Holger> madmalkav: Yes at least in the past you needed insane quoting.  I have an old wrapper that does this: ejabberdctl stop-kindly $delay "$(echo "$*" | sed 's/ /\\ /g')"
[10:07:06] <Holger> madmalkav: I no longer use that (our users don't want that spam) and I think ejabberdctl has been more or less rewritten since then, not sure this is still the right amount of quoting.
[10:10:42] <madmalkav> Thanks for the all the info 👌
[10:12:18] <madmalkav> Process One is a french company, right?
[10:12:43] <madmalkav> So, someone in the "let's sell eBE" department talks french, right?
[10:13:16] <Holger> Yes.
[10:14:06] <madmalkav> Any specific address to contact for french info? Or a mail to whatever address the Contact Now button opens?
[10:16:54] <Holger> The contact page says sales@process-one.net ... I don't work for p1 but I have no doubt you can just write in French to that address.
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[10:18:29] <Holger> Or ask zinid/prefiks or wait for cromain to join.
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[10:18:57] <madmalkav> 👍
[10:18:58] <Licaon_Kter> Do any clients use MucSub or MucLight?
[10:20:55] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I only know of custom clients using MUC/Sub.  I guess MongooseIM customers are using MUC Light ...
[10:21:42] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: If you mean that GitHub ticket, he's obviously building a custom solution as well ...
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[10:44:02] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: 18.09 produces "group offline notifications on Android/iOS" out of the box? :-)
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[10:49:53] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: i'd bet more on reporter wanting normal messages via push when app gets killed by iOS/Android, like we all want....
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[10:50:53] <Holger> His question was explicitly about MUC tho ...
[10:51:12] <zinid> what, we still have this problem unresolved?
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[10:51:56] <Holger> Well https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/697#issuecomment-426950083 ...
[10:52:08] <Holger> I'd call that unresolved in XMPP, yes.
[10:52:24] <Holger> MUC/Sub is non-standard, mod_push_keepalive is a hack.
[10:53:07] <Holger> daniel recently mentioned the idea of having rooms offer XEP-0352.
[10:53:38] <Holger> So the client would register for push notifications from that room when joining and unregister when leaving.
[10:53:52] <daniel> Not *my* though. But a good idea
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[10:56:55] <Holger> I think dealing with lost TCP connections is a bit trickier than for c2s.  But that's probably solvable.
[10:58:34] <daniel> Holger: but if the tcp is broken but not yet know to be broken the client side push will take care of it, no?
[10:58:59] <daniel> So I imagine only actually notifing when offline should do the trick
[10:59:15] <daniel> And maybe after a bounce for good measure
[10:59:49] <Holger> daniel: Won't work if only groupchat messages are queued (those are bounced by the SM code, without generating a notification).
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[11:01:01] <daniel> I see. But then the group chat server will receive the bounce and can push?
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[11:01:44] <daniel> The downside is that pushes are delayed by the sm timeout
[11:02:23] <Holger> Yes that's how I'd solve it, but the group chat server will have to check whether the bounce was generated for an actual message-with-body (not for Conversations, but clients that don't want notifications on stuff such as Chat States) ...
[11:02:55] <Holger> Which is the tricky part I meant above.
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[11:03:34] <Holger> The delay is acceptable I think, basically the same delay as for 1:1 pushes.
[11:05:10] <daniel> Well not really the same. My c2s app server will push 30 seconds after not receiving an ack. The muc will only be able to push after the actual time out
[11:05:37] <Holger> Ah, true.
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[11:05:48] <daniel> But it's still acceptable
[11:06:07] <Holger> As long as mod_push_keepalive isn't used :-)
[11:06:08] <daniel> Usually you'd combine the two
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[11:07:48] <daniel> Also everything that has bounced will have already created a normal push (if keepalive is being used)
[11:08:03] <daniel> So we only really need it for when we are really offline
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[11:09:38] <Holger> This is again only true for silent push notifications which I can freely generate but not for the ChatSecure case.
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[11:12:58] <daniel> Holger: I see. So do the keepalive pushes never contain the magic that generates high priority pushes or just not for group chat messages?
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[11:16:50] <Holger> When the SM session goes into the pending state (e.g. due to <a/>ck timeout), the queue is checked.  If it's empty, no notification is generated.  If it contains only group chat messages (or presence or other crap), a single 'low-prio' notification is generated.  If it contains at least one 1:1 chat message, a single 'high-prio' notification is generated.
[11:17:17] <daniel> I see
[11:17:47] <Holger> (Apart from that a 'low-prio' notification is generated before mod_push_keepalive runs into its own (very long) timeout.  So ChatSecure will miss that case as well.)
[11:20:46] <daniel> Holger: the timeout for when no stanzas go down stream?
[11:21:02] <Holger> Yep.
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[11:22:32] <Holger> I.e. if you received no message within 48h or whatever, the server stops notifying ChatSecure.  Probably acceptable, compared to the other problems.
[11:22:50] <Holger> And I think similar things can happen with WhatsApp and friends.
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[11:27:00] <Holger> I think JC's idea for dealing with groupchat error bounces was checking MAM for the message type/contents.  Sounds a bit too hacky to me, and the error bounce won't (necessarily) contain the <stanza-id/> but only the normal message ID, which we have no column for.
[11:27:15] <Holger> But mayve we can just encode the message type with the message ID.
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[11:28:46] <daniel> Holger: won't it bounce the entire message back to you?
[11:29:03] <Holger> That's optional, and at least Prosody doesn't do it I think.
[11:29:10] <daniel> Mhh
[11:29:24] <daniel> OK then I understand why bounces are problematic
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[11:31:36] <Holger> > mayve we can just encode the message type with the message ID.
Nah we can't as we're no longer allowed to mess with the message ID right ...
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[11:33:22] <daniel> I don't care if you do. I fall back to the origin id anyway
[11:33:58] <daniel> I knew this would trigger someone...
[11:34:13] <Holger> Georg would go mad.
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[11:34:31] <Holger> Version 1.31 (2018-03-06)
[11:34:33] <MattJ> Holger, actually you can meddle with the id :)
[11:34:36] <Holger> > Require the service to maintain the 'id' attribute on message reflections.
[11:34:42] <MattJ> I checked before I proposed this solution to JC
[11:34:51] <Holger> MattJ: Oh you proposed the same? :-)
[11:35:16] <Holger> MattJ: But since that revision I cited that would violate 0045, no?
[11:35:38] <MattJ> No, if you read XEP-0045, the only id that must be preserved is the one reflected back to the sender :)
[11:35:49] <Holger> Hah.
[11:35:55] <MattJ> and the sender already has the message, so you don't need to worry about them
[11:36:12] <MattJ> Yes, I was greatly relieved when I realised this
[11:36:21] <Holger> Won't that break other stuff?
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[11:36:31] <Holger> Threading or whatever depends on the ID?
[11:36:34] <MattJ> LMC for example
[11:36:41] <Holger> Yeah ...
[11:37:03] <daniel> Wouldn't it be easier for prosody to just bounce the entire message?
[11:37:08] <MattJ> The alternative is ^
[11:37:21] <MattJ> I may just do that, for 198 bounces
[11:37:34] <MattJ> I would have liked to just store the id, but meh
[11:38:08] <daniel> I mean again you won't break _my_ lmc if you change the id
[11:38:18] <MattJ> Heh
[11:39:01] <Holger> Any idea whether Openfire includes the original stanza with bounces?
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[11:40:28] <Holger> (I can just ask them, for what I'm I joined to all rooms under the sun ...)
[11:42:49] <Holger> MattJ: Just doing it on 0198 timeout won't do the trick for the case where a message is received only after the timeout, no?
[11:43:19] <daniel> But whether you break things or not. Encoding meaning in the id sounds problematic
[11:43:44] <daniel> That's like Isode encoding meaning in the resource and then breaking things years later
[11:44:06] <daniel> Or urging for the standard not to change to it won't beak things
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[15:15:48] <rom1dep> what's the max page size for MAM that ejabberd allows? Is that configurable somewhere?
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[15:30:35] <Holger> No it's currently hard-coded.
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[15:30:47] <Holger> (As nobody was interested in configuring this so far.)
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[15:31:04] <Holger> Default page size is 50, max is 250.
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[15:31:18] <Holger> rom1dep: You have a use case for different limits?
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[15:35:17] <rom1dep> Holger: I tweaked gajim to poll by 250 at a time and while it's definitely faster, I was wondering what the increment would be in practice (the unread count seems to jitter every 100 messages or so)
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[15:46:44] <Holger> You're receiving too many messages 🙂
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[15:56:25] <edhelas> would it be possible to standardize this default size in the XEP itself ?
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[16:04:59] <Holger> I'm all for standardizing everything that's hardcoded in ejabberd.
[16:05:49] <Holger> edhelas: You can just request max=9999999 and you'll receive a page with 250 messages.
[16:06:31] edhelas will go for 9999999999 then 🤔
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[19:40:10] <zinid> wow, jackal is released!
[19:40:19] <zinid> it had 2 commits in september and 2 in october
[19:40:21] <zinid> nice
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[19:44:43] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: 1.0?
[19:44:56] <zinid> nah
[19:44:57] <zinid> 0.3.3
[19:45:37] <zinid> I am still waiting patiently for the initial presence broadcast to be fixed to finally benchmark it in fair comparison
[19:45:42] <Licaon_Kter> Dogfooding yet?
[19:46:18] <zinid> I don't think so, it doesn't even have s2s
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