Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, November 23, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[06:28:52] <debalance> Alacer: cool :)
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[08:04:05] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[08:04:08] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n©: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 18.09.56 on unix/linux 3.4.113
[08:04:24] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Old-school Linux
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[08:42:25] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n©: LTS? You need to downgrade to ejabberd LTS too :))
[08:42:44] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Licaon_Kter: indeed
[08:42:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Ejabberd 14.x
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[08:45:48] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n©: there's 17.08 in backports-sloppy or smth ;)
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[08:51:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Wtf ..I just got 11MB/S download speed on my phone
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[08:52:29] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Licaon_Kter: I prefer building from source and risking breaking it each time 😂🤞
[08:52:39] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> More funny
[08:53:26] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n©: yet you don't build your kernel? That's hypocrisy right there :))
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[08:53:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Licaon_Kter: not yet but planning my very own os
[08:54:02] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Like .. ejux
[08:54:13] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> E-jux
[08:54:28] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Ej-Lux
[08:54:51] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Minimal Linux distribution with pre installed ejabberd
[08:54:56] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Fir a pi 😂
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[08:55:27] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Pi-jabber
[08:55:32] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Why not ...😂
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[09:30:47] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n©: dietpi?
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[09:35:05] <nosnilmot> zinid: thanks for merging my PR. I signed CLA about a month ago :)
[09:35:25] <zinid> nosnilmot, ah, ok
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[09:48:02] <Steven Roose> > (not sure if Martini is a well recognized brand in Europe)
It is in Belgium and Portugal.
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[10:35:09] <zinid> daniel, https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/1cdca1ab99c8a0dfd7cab8a760a65840067bea16
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[10:35:41] <zinid> briefly tested only though
[10:37:09] <Holger> Yay 👍
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[10:38:20] <daniel> zinid: thank you
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[10:57:26] <Licaon_Kter> CI failed stil sql related prefiks ?
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[11:03:50] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, no
[11:04:17] <prefiks> yeah it failed on our jenkins as well
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[11:04:59] <zinid> in some strange places :/
[11:06:57] <prefiks> nothing suspicious in error.log
[11:07:34] <zinid> no_db.anonymous.time
[11:07:37] <zinid> wtf?
[11:07:49] <prefiks> {test_case_failed,"Received input:
[{stream_error,'invalid-xml',
               [{text,<<"en">>,
                      <<"Bad value of attribute 'xml:lang' in tag <stream:stream/> qualified by namespace 'jabber:client'">>}]}]
don't match expected patterns:
# stream_error { reason = 'policy-violation' }"}
[11:08:41] <zinid> ah, that's a separate commit from xmpp
[11:08:48] <zinid> I will fix it
[11:09:18] <zinid> I mean I will fix the test
[11:09:51] <zinid> ah, it can be simply removed
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[11:10:19] <zinid> ah, no :)
[11:10:23] <zinid> I'll better improve it
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[11:11:22] <zinid> fixed
[11:12:01] <prefiks> and those pubsub test fail to match thanks to i guess adding storage:bookmarks that you added?
[11:12:10] <prefiks> {{badmatch,[<<"14909245559306944513">>,<<"15615343777023379457">>,
            <<"3175380166823003649">>,<<"9196292839386457089">>,
            <<"9209631643790280705">>,<<"storage:bookmarks">>]},
[{pubsub_tests,test_get_affiliations,1,
                [{file,"pubsub_tests.erl"},{line,178}]},
  {test_server,ts_tc,3,[{file,"test_server.erl"},{line,1529}]},
  {test_server,run_test_case_eval1,6,[{file,"test_server.erl"},{line,1045}]},
  {test_server,run_test_case_eval,9,[{file,"test_server.erl"},{line,977}]}]}
[11:12:11] <zinid> probably
[11:12:22] <zinid> argh
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[11:12:59] <zinid> buggy tests :)
[11:13:38] <zinid> I will fix it myself (I also improve mod_private tests)
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[11:43:38] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> zinid: u r just the best
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[11:47:08] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Still failing but who cares, they were failing all the year :))
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[12:10:22] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, at least now we know why
[12:10:40] <zinid> and I haven't prepared fix so far
[12:10:46] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I"m being distracted :)
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[12:13:57] <daniel> ☺️
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[12:15:26] <Holger> No time to code, someone on the Internet IS WRONG!!
[12:16:21] <edhelas> impossible
[12:16:47] <Holger> Story of my life.
[12:17:03] <Licaon_Kter> Priorities....
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[15:02:23] <rom1dep> oh wait, there is bookmarks conversion now?
[15:02:47] <zinid> rom1dep, yes
[15:02:50] <4223> !version jabber.freenet.de
[15:02:51] <Servant> 4223: jabber.freenet.de is running ejabberd version 16.09 on unix/linux 2.6.37
[15:02:56] <rom1dep> > 8773:3aee Support for XEP-0411: Bookmarks Conversion 2018-11-23 by Evgeny Khramtsov
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[15:03:16] <zinid> as promised!
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[15:06:54] <zinid> note that I don't have a client to test pubsub->private case
[15:07:05] <zinid> so I tested it from XML console only
[15:07:19] <daniel> zinid: what exactly do you want to test?
[15:07:44] <zinid> daniel, well testing with any working client actually would be great :)
[15:08:05] <daniel> Conversations should use it
[15:08:17] <daniel> And not request regular bookmarks
[15:08:25] <daniel> If that feature is announced
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[15:11:01] <daniel> And publish via pep
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[15:14:02] <zinid> ah, it's supported already
[15:14:46] <zinid> conversations is PITA to test because of certificate checks, which I don't have no in dev
[15:14:56] <zinid> *now
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[15:23:00] <daniel> Certificate checks?
[15:23:11] <daniel> Just press ignore on the warning?
[15:23:38] <zinid> really? that works?
[15:23:44] <zinid> I probably confuse with Dino
[15:24:10] <zinid> ok, I'll check later
[15:25:22] <daniel> Yeah that's Dino. Lol
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[18:10:44] <Link Mauve> zinid, fyi, poezio can select whether to use pep or private xml in the config file, so you can test both with just a restart.
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[18:10:59] <Link Mauve> /set use_bookmarks_method pep or private
[18:11:05] <Link Mauve> /set use_bookmarks_method pep or privatexml
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[20:06:35] <zinid> Link Mauve, ah, ok
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[20:07:01] <Link Mauve> That’s what I used when I implemented it in Prosody.
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[21:52:30] <daniel> i love how muc sub is hilariously bad at solving the problems it sets out to solve
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[22:09:41] <edhelas> Can't wait for mix #2019yearofMIX
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[22:13:31] <MattJ> Mmmmmhm
[22:14:10] <daniel> I would actually like to do a mix prototype sprint at some point
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[22:15:26] <daniel> I mean mix has a bad rep but everything else is crap as well
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[22:20:36] <zinid> > i love how muc sub is hilariously bad at solving the problems it sets out to solve
that's how it happens when you spend 10 minutes in designing the protocol
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[22:26:37] <zinid> I am not sure about mix, implementing all those 7 xeps is freaking me out
[22:26:51] <zinid> I don't even want to think about it
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[22:27:06] <zinid> probably patching muc is better
[22:29:12] <daniel> I get that it seems like a lot. That's why I want to do a prototype implementation during a sprint
[22:29:21] <daniel> Maybe it's not as bad once you get started
[22:29:32] <daniel> And when you have other smart people in the room
[22:29:39] <MattJ> I with patching MUC until someone can convince me that MIX is actually fundamentally better
[22:29:59] <MattJ> Right now I just get that it is fundamentally different, and solves some problems while creating others
[22:30:27] <MattJ> and my other problem with it is that it requires support from the joining server
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[22:31:01] <zinid> daniel: it's a lot and it's actually a problem for new developers and this reminds me web development, a horrible monster requiring one billion budget to write a client
[22:31:03] <MattJ> So even if services like xmpp.org upgraded to MIX, some people would be unable to join MIX channels
[22:31:14] <daniel> MattJ: so your 'patching' muc does not involve the account proxy for MUC idea that has been floating around?
[22:31:33] <daniel> Because that obviously requires support on the joining server as well
[22:32:07] <MattJ> daniel, we already have a working module that implements "the account proxy MUC idea"
[22:32:30] <MattJ> I don't know yet if it's a practical solution, it may be
[22:32:43] <zinid> if muc is so bad then why I use it everyday without problems?
[22:32:44] <MattJ> But this still has the benefit that you only have to upgrade one server for it to succeed
[22:33:06] <MattJ> i.e. the joining server (the MUC server continues to use the same protocol)
[22:33:15] <MattJ> Much simpler to deal with deployment that way
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[22:34:40] <daniel> > if muc is so bad then why I use it everyday without problems?
It probably depends on what you are doing with muc / what your expectations are. Also clients like Conversations do a lot of black magic to provide something like 'WhatsApp groups' on top of muc
[22:35:13] <daniel> I don't necessarily mind doing that black magic. But it's a pain for new developers
[22:35:23] <MattJ> and I'm fine with evolving MUC to support that use-case, i.e. simplifying it
[22:35:31] <zinid> another concern with mix is what Holger said: "if we cannot just use pubsub for it, then why we even need pubsub?" why we need all those adhoc services?
[22:35:46] <MattJ> e.g. switching to iq creation with a simple toggle for public/private profiles
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[22:36:51] <zinid> > I don't necessarily mind doing that black magic. But it's a pain for new developers
mix will be a lot of pain too
[22:37:04] <zinid> also, black magic can be documented
[22:37:24] <daniel> MattJ: what was the reason against server forcing nick name again? The xep having vague wording in regards to the client that has been forced then not receiving other presences?
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[22:38:03] <MattJ> daniel, basically no client handling it properly, and when I read the XEP I wasn't surprised about that, yes
[22:38:04] <daniel> zinid: I don't think that's how black magic works. It's a secret thing passed down through generations
[22:43:16] <daniel> MattJ: what's the problematic paragraph in question. I actually find the wording in 7.2.3 to be not bad
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[22:46:33] <zinid> I also have a problem with mix authors: the majority of my criticism is just ignored, according to the mail list
[22:47:04] <zinid> and those answered were completely unsatisfied
[22:47:35] <zinid> like "we just want to keep type=groupchat"
[22:47:56] <zinid> why? what for? nostalgia?
[22:48:00] <zinid> go figure
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[22:51:10] <zinid> I also recall Dave answered: we cannot just rely on pubsub because it is WRONG. so we can rely on pubsub AND adhoc services
[22:51:23] <zinid> makes no sense to me
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[22:53:38] <zinid> probably nobody reading my ranting already, however, I am pretty fine if the core fully relies on pubsub and we can improve pubsub instead when needed (extending affiliations for example)
[22:56:22] <daniel> Yes. Mix has the wrong amount of pubsub in it. Either too little or too much
[22:57:19] <daniel> And the wrong amount of modularity
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[22:57:53] <zinid> and functionality
[22:58:26] <zinid> from the reading it's not always clear why we need THAT amount of features
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