ejabberd - Friday, November 30, 2018

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[07:05:38] <rom1dep> srgcdev: if yours is a software development company and not a big company casually/amateurishly developing software for its own internal needs, then probably angular can be seen as an investment. Otherwise it's probably creating a lot more new issues and confusion than it's worth, while not inherently solving new actual business needs/problems.
Mine is of the later type, the development is still in progress, they build against angular 4 (while 7 is out) because anything approaching tooling scares the hell out of them.
Also the current ecosystem of off-the-shelf controls and components for business apps is crap, most of the stuff they actually want to use is based on jquery(-ui) which just isn't available/pluggable (they use the telerik/kendo controls which is good at advertising istelf but is in fact a minefield)
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[07:14:36] <srgcdev> Mine is the second type. Its a big company that needs to create software for its business needs. Thats why I think is not a good idea.
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[07:22:09] <rom1dep> srgcdev: welcome to my life :)
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[07:32:40] <rom1dep> funny thing is, on a distinct web app which has been in prod for about 5 years (your typical ASP.NET MVC app), they needed to add some data maintenance/admin/cleanup features and they needed it real quick,
they ended-up coding a Forms GUI (desktop app) because there they have good GUI designers that do code gen and data binding, better tools, better debuggers, almost instant code/compile/reload/test cycles.
They started to suggest doing the same for the ongoing angular dev with the users on the (bad) web frontend while admins would be using a Forms app instead.
And I don't blame them for trying, web is a joke, angular 7 hello world *compiles* in 10s on this year's new laptop (8th gen i7), that's more than, say, dino
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[07:59:39] <zinid> Holger, so we need to alter SQL database again, thanks to https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2663
[07:59:58] <zinid> sigh
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[11:53:32] <Holger> zinid: Or have mod_carboncopy:remove_connection/4 whether there's a new connection? :-/
[11:53:40] <Holger> Yes, hack alarm as usual.
[11:55:34] <zinid> Holger, I decided to fix this when I finally introduce automatic SQL altering ;)
[11:56:39] <Holger> 👍
[11:57:16] <Holger> (Er, "have mod_carboncopy:remove_connection/4 double-check whether ...")
[11:58:35] <zinid> Holger, do we need to associate stored num_stanzas_in with USR or with USR+Time?
[11:58:39] <zinid> it's not quite clear to me
[11:59:02] <zinid> I tend to incline to just USR, without Time
[11:59:59] <zinid> I really don't understand how it should behave when there is stored num_stanzas_in but then a user reconnects with a client without SM support (or SM disabled)
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[12:00:34] <Alacer> > Alacer: great, yet another IM
zinid: Nope yet another Broker.... The only thing is their connectors and clients.... I think as ejabbed is moving in probably same direction can lool especially they got acquired any secured investment...
[12:01:06] <Holger> zinid: Well Time identifies the session.  If there's two clients using the same resource the second shouldn't be able to resume the firt's session.
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[12:01:58] <zinid> is it an acceptable situation?
[12:02:05] <Holger> I think so?
[12:02:15] <zinid> I mean not hypothetically
[12:02:21] <zinid> but in practice
[12:02:56] <zinid> okay, whatever
[12:02:57] <Holger> I mean two clients using the same resource doesn't work, but I don't see how 0198 is making this situation worse.
[12:03:10] <zinid> probably this will protect us from weird races
[12:03:41] <zinid> I mean when 'h' is unique for the session we have no races
[12:03:44] <Holger> mod_stream_mgmt should ignore other clients using the same resource and wait for the first one to resume (and thereby kick the alien one) as usual.
[12:03:53] <zinid> okay
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[12:18:40] <zinid> Holger, so, the main question: what will the lifetime to keep 'h'? :D
[12:18:52] <zinid> *will be
[12:19:10] <zinid> I will make it configurable, but what should be the default?
[12:19:24] <zinid> ah, it probably doesn't matter
[12:19:33] <zinid> because this can be controlled by max_size
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[12:24:29] <Holger> You mean 'max_user_sessions'?  Yes I already use that as a limit I think.
[12:25:38] <Holger> I just don't expire over time, but ditch the oldest session when the limit is reached.
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[12:32:33] <Holger> (So if your customer doesn't support multi-device he could just set "max_user_sessions: 1" or so.)
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[13:19:46] <zinid> done
[13:19:48] <zinid> commited
[13:19:51] <zinid> I use cache
[13:20:02] <zinid> note that when the new node is added the cache is not synchronized
[13:20:20] <zinid> but I'm told it's stacking chances :D
[13:20:46] <daniel> It's a technical term
[13:21:19] <zinid> Holger, https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/5d27c975dc2138e2b52177738b5eec3a9a36317c#diff-5edee80453f9ab4bf7ec9326e8e24df7L287
[13:21:40] <zinid> Holger, do you have any objection on this snippet? TL;DR I removed the whole magic completely
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[13:30:47] <Holger> No objections, thanks.
[13:30:56] <zinid> good
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[13:31:46] <Holger> > removed the whole magic completely
[13:31:57] <Holger> You mean the 'max_user_sessions' limit?
[13:32:55] <Holger> > when the new node is added the cache is not synchronized
[13:33:20] <Holger> So the new node won't have the 'h' value, but AFAICS this won't lead to anyone getting a *wrong* 'h' value.
[13:33:34] <zinid> Holger, I removed that stuff with double call to c2s_terminated
[13:33:43] <Holger> Ah that part yes, nice.
[13:34:12] <Holger> > won't lead to anyone getting a *wrong* 'h' value.
Ah, well, with jumping back and forth between nodes it will.
[13:34:24] <zinid> Holger, yes, the new node won't copy cache from existing nodes, the cache is only replicated between running nodes
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[13:34:33] <Holger> Right.
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[13:34:51] <zinid> formally speaking there is no anti-entropy :)
[13:35:14] <Holger> Well, worst case is more dups than before.
[13:35:23] <zinid> :D
[13:35:24] <Holger> Corner case, XMPP, ...
[13:36:04] <Holger> daniel: If the failed-'h' is lower than the 'h' value you got before, ignore it :-)
[13:36:28] <zinid> I don't think this is possible
[13:36:42] <zinid> current session is able to write only once
[13:36:56] <daniel> Yeah I'm not sure Conversations would do anything particularly bad
[13:37:11] <daniel> Probably print a warning because counting errros
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[13:38:19] <Holger> Ah no zinid is correct, this case won't even happen.  Worst case is you get no failed-'h'.  Fine then.
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[13:39:24] <zinid> Honestly, all this should be documented in the XEP
[13:39:29] <zinid> but everyone is lazy
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[13:53:41] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im/pull/54
[13:53:42] <zinid> :D
[13:53:58] <zinid> I recall we had something like this in the past, but related to translation strings
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[13:57:50] <Holger> Ne too.
[13:57:53] <Holger> *Me
[13:58:07] <Holger> zinid: I think last time we told them to shut up :-)
[13:58:15] <zuglufttier> Oh well, if someone does the work and finds it important...
[13:58:16] <Holger> We told they.
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[13:58:31] <zinid> :D
[13:59:02] <Holger> zuglufttier: My point back then was that 'they' is confusing for poor non-native speakers, at least if they're as badly educated as me.
[13:59:05] <Holger> But what do I case.
[13:59:08] <Holger> *care
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[13:59:43] <zinid> I probably will never understand that because it's just impossible to make such substitution in Russian, you break the grammer, since it's very gender-dependent
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[14:01:26] <zinid> from what I know same in German, every word has a "gender"
[14:01:43] <Holger> Yup.  Nevertheless there's a big hype around gernder-neutral language over here.  Germans are obsessed of the idea that changing language changes the world.
[14:02:56] <Holger> Easily leads to hilarious language constructs if you take it seriously.
[14:09:07] <edhelas> same with French actually
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[14:10:44] <cromain> yep, next step: forbid adjective, because description is not neural
[14:13:12] <Holger> edhelas: Yeah but French people just drive to Paris and kill the king to change the world, rather than whining about language.
[14:13:17] <Holger> Or at least that's how it worked in the past.
[14:13:50] <Holger> (Admittedly, Germans drove everywhere and killed everyone in the past.)
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[14:14:34] <zinid> just kill all the humans
[14:14:43] <SouL> haha
[14:14:50] <edhelas> meanwhile in Paris last week
[14:14:51] <edhelas> https://www.medias-presse.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/gilets-jaunes-guillotine.jpg
[14:15:21] <Holger> There you go.
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[14:16:38] <daniel> i'd rather get rid of the formal you. that implies a hierarchy that i don’t like. and is also very confusing to use at times
[14:17:16] <zinid> daniel, oh, do you have this shit in German too?
[14:17:31] <Holger> Yes, Sir.
[14:20:40] <zinid> *comrade
[14:22:29] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> zinid could you please come here immediately
[14:22:57] <zinid> here where?
[14:23:52] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> u broke all my bookmark for conversations.. Just wanna thank you for your new magical feature 🙂
[14:24:14] <daniel> it's not gone
[14:24:19] <daniel> you just can't see it
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[14:24:43] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> THAT'S magic !
[14:24:55] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> magical MUCs
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[14:26:20] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> well then i'll have to wait that zinid fixes it
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[14:32:36] <zinid> I don't even know how to reproduce :)
[14:32:41] <zinid> it works for me
[14:35:35] <Holger> Oh it's not clear why that happens?
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[14:36:23] <daniel> is there a chance that the node, through prior use of let's say converse.js, is configured to not send notifcations or something?
[14:36:38] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> daniel just confirmed the issue.. well... I fear I might have found a bug 😕
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[14:36:58] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> converse.js shows bookmarks indeed
[14:37:06] <Holger> zinid, daniel: I was assuming the PEP bookmarks client receives an empty bookmark list, pushes the empty (or non-empty) list back, zinid syncs that to private storage, gone are your old private storage bookmarks.
[14:37:28] <Holger> If Converse.js still shows them after re-logging in then my theory is nonsense.
[14:38:05] <zinid> Holger, yeah, I wonder why avatars work, but not bookmarks
[14:38:21] <zinid> Holger, the code is exactly the same (and even simplier) except publish model
[14:39:01] <Holger> I would assume the same effect with avatars, but nobody stumbles over it because well the PEP avatar uploaded by Conversations is always the authoritative one anyway.
[14:39:13] <Holger> zinid: Oh you mean the notification issue?
[14:39:39] <Holger> zinid: Yes maybe because only access_model=whitelist is affected?  I still didn't check.
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[14:41:11] <daniel> you mean i won’t get notifications of my own avatar node? that i can check
[14:43:42] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Holger let me re-login and see if Bookmarks magically disappear ...
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[14:44:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Holger your theory "hinkt"
[14:44:47] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> re-login still shows bookmarks
[14:44:47] <zinid> Holger, this sounds to me like a bug in the core functionality
[14:45:03] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> (talking about re-login conversejs)
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[14:48:13] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> jeremy hi Hlger 🙂
[14:48:20] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> __test__
[14:48:26] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> --test--
[14:48:33] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> hmm END testing 😛
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[15:13:01] <Holger> zinid: Probably.  I'm multi-tasking all week but can probably have a look tomorrow.
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[15:57:54] <zinid> Holger, here?
[15:58:16] <zinid> Holger, do you have an idea why we remove carboned resources on unset_presence_hook?
[15:58:21] <zinid> sounds wrong to me
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[15:58:44] <zinid> since a client may enable carbons even without sending initial presence
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[17:57:16] <Holger> True.
[17:57:44] <Holger> I think that code is older than me (being involved) 😉
[17:59:03] <Holger> But closing the *session* obviously implies disabling carbons, and then we still have that race issue, no?
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[18:00:32] <Holger> So it's the wrong hook, and USR is the wrong identitifier.
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[18:05:26] <zinid> Holger, yeah, but having correct hook will provide SID, so we can identify correctly
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[18:08:16] <Holger> Ah, good point 🙂
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[19:29:42] <mightyBroccoli> someone just registered without a username I am quite confused how that happend as I have the user_regexp config to have a minimum of 3 characters :/
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[19:38:09] <mightyBroccoli> ok nevermind I found the error. I fucked up the regex match
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