ejabberd - Monday, January 14, 2019

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[08:13:34] <Freyskeyd> Hello, I've some question about mod_push. I'm searching a production ready example of an implementation with a service that send the notifications. I'm trying to find how to manage unwanted notification, like, a JID is offline and receive a message from a room, that's triggering the mod_push to send a notification but the JID become online before he receives the notification.
[08:13:45] <Freyskeyd> how to manage this kind of stuff?
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[08:23:37] <Holger> First of all, mod_push only implements the XMPP server's part of the push notification chain described in XEP-0357.  If you're building a custom chat solution and want to generate notifications for your app, then you're missing the so-called "app server" component that proxies the notifications to Google/Apple/whoever.
[08:24:14] <Holger> The Community Edition doesn't include code for that (the Business Edition does).  There's some free app servers on GitHub though.
[08:25:08] <Holger> Second, notifications for groupchat aren't not solved nicely in XMPP yet (there's some ideas on how to improve them though).
[08:25:23] <Holger> But the issue you describe sounds different from the typical MUC notification problems.
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[08:27:04] <Freyskeyd> I'm aware of the "app server", we already have a notification system that consume AMQP message but I would like to use mod_push instead
[08:28:49] <Freyskeyd> wha's the main problem with MUC notifs?
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[08:29:44] <Holger> Standard MUC being presence-based.  If you leave, you no longer receive messages, so the mod_push instance running on your server can't notify you.
[08:29:59] <Freyskeyd> I'm using MUC sub
[08:30:14] <Freyskeyd> does it helps?
[08:30:14] <Holger> Yeah, that's one workaround.
[08:30:16] <Holger> Yup.
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[08:30:52] <Holger> It doesn't work nicely with multi-device scenarios, but if you just support single-device usage, MUC/Sub should do the trick.
[08:31:20] <Freyskeyd> In what kind of way it doesn't support multi devices?
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[08:33:00] <Holger> It kinda assumes you'll receive the MUC/Sub notifications from offline storage.  If you have two devices and the first goes online, it'll suck up the notifications and the second one won't see them.
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[08:34:15] <Holger> You'd have to fiddle a bit to make sure they're stored in MAM in order to solve this.  And once you support MAM, the client will have to de-dup the MUC/Sub notifications vs. the MUC MAM messages.  (Or don't do MUC MAM.  Or ignore the MUC/Sub message notifications.)
[08:34:32] <Holger> So this can all be solved, but it's not exactly elegant.
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[08:37:56] <Freyskeyd> ok I see
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[08:39:43] <Holger> One solution we're pondering with is to have the MUC room generate mod_push notifications directly.  I.e. the client would subscribe to notifications for that room.
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[08:40:05] <Holger> ... and then retrieve the actual message(s) from MUC MAM.
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[08:40:19] <Holger> That way you could do without MUC/Sub.
[08:40:34] <Freyskeyd> I was thinking of using only MUC mam
[08:41:30] <Holger> The *current* workaround for standard clients is to enable mod_push_keepalive.  That keeps the client's stream management session alive so the client appears as still being online from the MUC's point of view.
[08:41:41] <Holger> Works, more or less, but certainly isn't elegant either.
[08:43:55] <Freyskeyd> I will have many users that sometimes will never reconnect
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[08:44:48] <Freyskeyd> I don't need to send the notification if one of the resources is still connected
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[08:45:38] <Freyskeyd> I just need to send it when a whole JID is offline and then when the JID reconnect he's using the MUC Mam to resync he's history
[08:45:43] <Holger> Well the full story is that mod_push_keepalive only keeps the session open as long as the client responds to push notifications (by reconnecting after being notified).  Plus there still is some (configurable) timeout (I think 48h by default).
[08:45:59] <Holger> Yes mod_push always tries to suppress notifications for online clients.
[08:46:18] <Holger> (Works as long as the client re-<enable/>s push notifications whenever opening a session.)
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[08:47:18] <Freyskeyd> mmmh I think I've a lake of knowledge on mod_push and notifications. I don't see any working example or more detailed documentation than the XEP
[08:47:38] <Holger> What's unclear?
[08:47:57] <Holger> The rules as to when a notification is generated?
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[08:51:09] <Holger> Basically, mod_push is adhering to these business rules:
https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2016-February/030925.html
https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2016-February/030926.html
https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2016-June/031160.html
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[09:19:41] <zinid> business rules from emails
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[09:22:00] <Holger> Yeah.  I suggested adding them to the XEP more than once (and so did Daniel I think).  And I offered maintaining the XEP ...
[09:22:12] <Holger> But maybe I should try a PR on GitHub.
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[10:17:23] <Neustradamus> Freyskeyd: Have you look tickets here? https://github.com/Freyskeyd/xmpp-rs/issues
[10:18:32] <Freyskeyd> a quick look yes
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[10:21:36] <Neustradamus> Nice :)
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[10:22:24] <Neustradamus> Because no changes since a very long time
[10:22:46] <Freyskeyd> yep I don't have time and I'm thinking of deleting this repository
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[10:26:17] <Neustradamus> Why?
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[10:32:24] <Freyskeyd> because no one is really involved in that project
[10:32:50] <Neustradamus> It is dead?
[10:33:17] <Freyskeyd> was never really alive^^
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[11:27:24] <zinid> impl<'a> AsQName<'a> for &'a QName<'a> {
    #[inline(always)]
    fn as_qname(&self) -> Cow<'a, QName<'a>> {
        Cow::Borrowed(self)
    }
}
[11:27:34] <zinid> the function doing nothing in 5 lines of code
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[22:26:35] <panpansh> mongoose seem
[22:26:52] <panpansh> to be more feature more updated :/
[22:27:34] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: great
Tell me more!
[22:27:58] <panpansh> I'm wrong ?
[22:30:24] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: I don't know, you're the one telling us.
So, what feature are you missing from ejabberd that Mongoose has?
How often should ejabberd be updated?
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[22:35:29] <panpansh> maybe the the documentation is more clear ..
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[22:37:24] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: what part of docs.ejabberd.im was unclear? I agree some stuff might need fixing yes
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[22:48:49] <panpansh> no maybe its just that
[22:49:49] <panpansh> the docs looks clear idk why
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[22:50:38] <panpansh> did you plan to the possibilty to use scram with turn or sip ?
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[23:30:40] <jonny> I'm new to xmpp and feel good here ejabberd was easy to setup and the docs are clear and support much more from default settings than prosody so good job guys 🙂
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[23:36:13] <jonny> Maybe it could be more clear which settings come from mnesia and which from sql (if setup)
[23:36:49] <jonny> If I set default_db: sql
everything is in sql right?
[23:37:11] <jonny> And the Webview looks a bit old..
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