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[00:53:23] <Neustradamus> panpansh: It is not a good idea to speak about SCRAM and SIP / STUN/TURN
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[01:45:59] <panpansh> Neustradamus: why ?
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[05:28:59] <zinid> > everything is in sql right?
jonny, right
[05:29:43] <zinid> > did you plan to the possibilty to use scram with turn or sip ?
panpansh, no
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[07:24:30] <mrDoctorWho> Hi there. I used some things from ejabberd.hrl , but now it's gone. Was it renamed or split to several modules?
[07:25:44] <zinid> mrDoctorWho, renamed mostly to functions in ejabberd_config
[07:26:07] <zinid> like get_myname(), get_lang(), etc
[07:26:16] <mrDoctorWho> zinid, could you please point me at particular commit?
[07:27:31] <zinid> fd8e07af4789be362a61755ea47f216baeb64989
[07:27:36] <mrDoctorWho> thank you!
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[07:58:02] <Holger> > did you plan to the possibilty to use scram with turn or sip ?
That's not even possible.
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[09:42:49] <panpansh> Idk why it's impossible :/
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[09:45:33] <Holger> panpansh: The STUN and SIP protocols don't support SCRAM authentication.
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[09:49:31] <panpansh> it can support what kind of auth ?
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[09:50:28] <Holger> MD5 auth.
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[10:32:54] <panpansh> Holger: thanks, external auth is supported by STUN and SIP ?
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[10:33:15] <panpansh> if yes have you a sample script calling mongodb ?
[10:33:17] <Holger> Nope.
[10:33:29] <panpansh> oik
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[10:33:58] <Holger> I use extauth as well, and have one and a half local patches to use the auth cache for STUN/SIP.
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[10:35:07] <Holger> I.e. I enforce SASL-PLAIN auth.
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[10:39:16] <panpansh> Did you store users to ejabbberd internal ?
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[10:42:30] <Holger> No.
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[10:43:06] <panpansh> Did you have a working sampple configuration please ?
[10:43:21] <panpansh> O:-)
[10:43:37] <Holger> Ah, maybe you don't even need a patch these days.
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[10:44:25] <Holger> I needed one in the past, and still need one because I want to enforce all requests to go through extauth but nevertheless have the cache being filled for STUN/SIP.
[10:45:23] <panpansh> yes looks the way to go no ?
[10:46:53] <Holger> Maybe `auth_use_cache: true` and `cache_size: 1234`, where 1234 is larger than the max. number of online users, will suffice.
[10:47:26] <Holger> SASL PLAIN is enforced anyway when extauth is used.
[10:49:17] <panpansh> did your users is in mongodb ?
[10:49:23] <Holger> No.
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[10:49:27] <panpansh> :/
[10:49:40] <Holger> How's that related to using the cache for SIP/TURN?
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[10:50:23] <panpansh> using the don't need to recall the db, no ?
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[10:50:32] <Holger> No.
[10:50:32] <panpansh> using the cache*
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[10:53:37] <panpansh> omg, this is always a game to know what exactly a software is doing
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[10:54:00] <panpansh> not really game it's like riddle
[10:54:46] <panpansh> to match the need and less uses cases to make thinks correctly
[10:55:15] <panpansh> I'm confused
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[11:08:28] <Neustradamus> panpansh: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2741
[11:08:33] <Neustradamus> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2740
[11:08:41] <Neustradamus> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2742
[11:08:53] <Neustradamus> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2751
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[11:36:22] <panpansh> in fact i would like help to use the extauth feature via mongodb. Nobody uses ejabberd like this?
[11:36:26] <panpansh> please :/
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[11:44:39] <zinid> nobody
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[11:44:57] <zinid> I answer for everyone here ;)
[11:50:58] <panpansh> zinid: what is the way to go ? duplicate users ? store his password as plain ?
[11:51:26] <zinid> way to go where? sorry, I didn't track the discussion
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[11:52:13] <panpansh> I have an app with users in mongodb, I wish to use sip/turn features
[11:52:33] <zinid> you need auth module for mongodb
[11:52:38] <zinid> or use extauth
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[11:53:51] <zinid> but you need to write code, yea
[11:54:08] <zinid> or maybe there is something you can use, did you check with Google?
[11:54:20] <panpansh> I need extauth if I don't want the password to be stored in plain ?
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[11:55:02] <panpansh> I do research yes
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[11:55:35] <zinid> panpansh, passwords are stored in mongodb?
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[11:59:39] <panpansh> nop my "password" in mongodb is not stored in plain .. is hash salt matching test
[12:00:13] <zinid> so you SASL PLAIN and calculate that hash
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[12:00:48] <Holger> panpansh: "I have an app with users in mongodb, I wish to use sip/turn features" -- I explained how to use the auth cache just a few lines above?
[12:01:17] <Holger> Glitch in the Matrix?
[12:01:48] <panpansh> May be you Neo not me
[12:01:50] <panpansh> :/
[12:04:02] <zinid> Holger, but he doesn't even have an auth module for mongodb, at least from what I understand
[12:05:42] <Holger> Ah.
[12:05:57] <Holger> So the SIP/TURN part of the story is irrelevant.
[12:06:31] <panpansh> I can start from 0 point no problem. If we want to dont use SIP/TURN without plain stored password we need to use extauth, it's true ?
[12:07:34] <Holger> If you want to use SIP/TURN without storing plaintext passwords to disk, you could enforce SASL PLAIN and use the auth cache.  Either with extauth or with some auth module.
[12:07:38] <panpansh> **If we want to use SIP/TURN without plain stored password
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[12:09:33] <panpansh> ejabberd auth and sip/turn auth use the same extauth script ?
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[12:10:46] <zinid> panpansh, yes, they call ejabberd auth functions
[12:11:06] <zinid> which in turn call to auth module, extauth scripts, etc
[12:13:49] <panpansh> ok, so why we need to use cache for extauth ?
[12:14:03] <panpansh> (I try to understand sorry)
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[12:15:26] <zinid> panpansh, because ejabberd will cache the plain password in memory and will return next time the password will be asked by sip or turn module
[12:15:53] <zinid> without hitting the database
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[12:16:22] <zinid> so you should set:
auth_use_cache: true
auth_cache_lifetime: infinity
auth_cache_size: infinity
[12:16:51] <zinid> it might look ugly, but this is just a workaround
[12:21:01] <panpansh> ok because if you don't cache it they call authdb each time for what kind ?
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[12:26:19] <panpansh> (may be not really need to understand that :/)
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[13:26:04] <zinid> panpansh, if you don't cache then the TURN or SIP module will fetch encrypted password from the database
[13:26:21] <zinid> and will fail to authenticate, because they need plain password
[13:27:05] <zinid> SIP <-> [cache with plain password] <-> [database with encrypted password]
[13:27:14] <zinid> remove cache and you will see what you get
[13:27:40] <zinid> well, I don't know how to explain further
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[13:52:00] <panpansh> ok I understand now zinid thanks
[13:52:28] <zinid> god
[13:52:30] <zinid> good
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[15:07:45] <panpansh> why this schema work for extauth : SIP <-> [cache with plain password] <-> [database with encrypted password]
[15:08:17] <panpansh> but need to store plain password for internal auth
[15:08:49] <panpansh> we cant use scram and use cache with sip/turn ?
[15:09:42] <panpansh> if scram auth matcch => cache it
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[15:12:19] <zinid> I give up
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[15:20:15] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh:
> but need to store plain password for internal auth
What for?
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[17:10:10] <panpansh> Licaon_Kter: xabber fixed your issue too for OTR in muc :) => visibility.GONE :)
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[17:14:53] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: and?
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[17:16:37] <panpansh> and ..?! Long live the pony
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[17:18:56] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: what are you taking?
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[18:03:12] <Neustradamus> https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hash-recommendations.html
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