Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, February 25, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[09:22:19] <zinid> flow, are you working on your proposal? Maybe I can continue working on it? Or should I create my own?
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[09:24:26] <Liquids> Hello all :) I have a user telling me that ´´a conference keeps popping up again, even after deleting it from within the (Conversations-)app
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[09:25:06] <Liquids> I checked on the server and room still existed in MySQL. So I deleted it there. But it still keeps popping up in the users´ conference list
[09:25:15] <Licaon_Kter> Liquids: is that one bridged from Matrix by any chance?
[09:25:29] <Licaon_Kter> _asking for a friend_
[09:25:51] <Liquids> bridged from Matrix ?  😮  
[09:26:39] <zinid> Liquids, Licaon_Kter is just promoting Matrix everywhere 😀
[09:26:46] <Liquids> )
[09:26:49] <Liquids> :)
[09:29:16] <Liquids> Licaon_Kter, I looked it up and no, it is not bridged. It´s jsut a simple room on an ejabberd server
[09:29:38] <Liquids> the name of the room is ¨27/9¨. Perhaps the / is the culprit ?
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[09:40:40] <flow> zinid, I always in favor of collaborating, even though we have slightly different visions/ideas. But maybe we can come up with a single XEP we are both happy with. As far as I can see, we have at least different views in two aspects: 1. URL verification and 2. PEP for the list of certificates. (1) can possibly be solved by making it optional, and I would like to client to know in advance if an URL verification step will be required. And we could defer (2) for a later time
[09:41:56] <zinid> URL verification can be optional, yes
[09:43:01] <flow> The way I see it, we are dealing with three different mechanisms, which all are independent, that is why http://geekplace.eu/xeps/xep-ccm2/xep-ccm2.html is split into three sections with their own service disco (could also be three XEPs)
[09:43:58] <flow> So assuming we are going to focus on the "adding a x.509 certificate" aspect, then how would be design the URL aspect?
[09:44:17] <flow> return an different result (or error) IQ response which indicatest he client that he needs to visit an URL?
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[09:45:44] <zinid> flow, ok, let me write my XEP and we will see if we can collaborate
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[09:46:26] <zinid> and regarding PEP, well, maybe people at the Council will decide that if we cannot come to agreement
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[09:49:11] <flow> zinid, feel free to fork https://github.com/flowdalic/xeps it creates a nice environment to develop XEPs
[09:49:38] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I have the same problem.  Maybe we should start insulting people in the Matrix rooms so they ban us?
[09:50:40] <Holger> Add MQTT support!
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[09:53:22] <zinid> Holger, Matrix next!
[09:53:27] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: :( I'm sorry now...I've learned my lesson....let me get out :((
[09:53:49] <Holger> zinid: Haha.
[09:54:02] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Matrix users DON'T LEAVE ROOMS.
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[09:54:31] <Licaon_Kter> They need to stay and replicate...replicate....replicAateete...replittedaodmjjmkwkkk
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[09:55:13] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im:443/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/YjxBP7bBYQJcLPdXtCIfyOLCBKDUUZDJfAXgOf44/gYdzyKHbRDCREHdLXKZY4g.jpg
[09:55:16] <Licaon_Kter> Matrix users....
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[09:55:43] <Holger> Hehe yes seems only XMPP users talk in there anyway.
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[09:56:05] <Holger> The Matrix people know the secret knob to get out of there.
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[09:57:41] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: that baffled me too, they suddenly have stuff to say when Matthew is around (_"notice me senpai!"_).....else...5000 idling users
[09:58:40] <Licaon_Kter> Oh wait..I know...users don't get a voice until their server replicated the whole history of the room since 2015 once.
Bridged users bypass that...for now...
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[09:59:26] <Holger> Hah.
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[10:23:11] <4223> Riot, first app which crashed on my phone ever, after joining matrix-room.  🤯
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[10:23:37] <Licaon_Kter> 4223: all the xmpp clients work better apparently
[10:25:09] <4223> sure, only a test use, I don't waste my time there
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[10:47:51] <Holger> <js> > > [In reply to](https://matrix.to/#/!QtykxKocfZaZOUrTwp:matrix.org/$1551044460687464lhSRZ:matrix.org?via=matrix.org&via=half-shot.uk&via=matrix.allmende.io) [@matthew:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@matthew:matrix.org)
> > rom1dep[x]: please read the ~5 people who confirmed that servers which federate with the typical big rooms on matrix.org use 1-1.5GB of ram.
>
> I can confirm that on my server which runs py3 version 0.91.1.1 from Debian repo. I'm federated with matrix.org mostly.
I can confirm my server dies entirely as soon as I do that, and dies on restart as well. The only way to get it back is to wipe the entire database.
[10:47:53] <Holger> :-)
[10:48:10] <vanitasvitae> > They need to stay and replicate...replicate....replicAateete...replittedaodmjjmkwkkk
:D made my day
[10:49:34] <Licaon_Kter> > 4223: all the xmpp clients work better apparently
Spoke too soon
https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issues/1416#issuecomment-466965439
[10:49:50] <Licaon_Kter> 4223: all the xmpp clients work better apparently
[10:50:04] <Licaon_Kter> > 4223: all the xmpp clients work better apparently
Spoke too soon....
https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issues/1416#issuecomment-466965439
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[11:35:57] <Neustradamus> Do you progress on SCRAM-SHA-256?
[11:37:49] <Holger> Neustradamus: I told you to keep the *Matrix* people busy!
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[11:39:30] <zinid> Neustradamus, sure, I started a huge discussion in the standards@ mail list
[11:40:05] <zinid> XMPP is all about discussion
[11:40:20] <Holger> 👍
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[11:40:58] <zinid> Neustradamus, https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-January/035720.html
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[11:46:36] <Neustradamus> zinid: yes I have already looked this but it is not in ejabberd ^^
[11:47:06] <Holger> Matrix, dammit.  Matrix.
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[11:47:59] <Neustradamus> And the ticket is closed in github, not good to do not forget...
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[11:48:19] <zinid> Neustradamus, well, as you may noticed I have several problems with the implementation, and only some of them addressed
[11:48:24] <zinid> so I cannot implement it so far
[11:49:12] <zinid> Neustradamus, keeping the ticket open means we have goals to implement it, but so far we don't
[11:50:00] <Neustradamus> But if the ticket is openned, a dev (not from the P1 team) can work on it...
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[11:50:57] <zinid> then open it in Matrix bugtracker, I bet some people can work on it
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[11:57:22] <Holger> https://matrix.org/docs/spec/client_server/r0.4.0.html#login
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[11:57:30] <Holger> Seems they only do PLAIN TEXT PASSWORDS!!!
[11:58:16] <zinid> Holger, yeah, but they have tokens and shit
[11:58:22] <zinid> oauth2
[11:58:29] <zinid> webshits all the way
[12:02:12] <Holger> Yeah but as I understand it the only standard way to get such a token is a plain-text password.
[12:02:31] <Holger> No way to hash.  In 2019.  All Matrix users DOOMED.
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[12:23:00] <Holger> Grrrrr `CREATE UNIQUE INDEX i_pubsub_node_tuple ON pubsub_node(host(20), node(120))`.
[12:23:20] <zinid> yeah...
[12:23:21] <Holger> For the PEP case, host(20) is a JID.  JIDs can obviously be longer than 20 characters.
[12:23:37] <zinid> seems like not that obvious to some 😀
[12:23:44] <Holger> You guys add arbitrary limits to the MySQL schemas and then rant about MySQL having arbitrary limits :-P
[12:24:03] <zinid> I don't add limits, I only rant. Important note.
[12:24:07] <Holger> kk
[12:24:36] <zinid> Holger, jokes aside, please fix the schema
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[12:24:48] <Holger> Yeah, will do.
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[12:32:52] <zinid> https://twitter.com/louispilfold/status/1099262734212972544
[12:33:05] <zinid> 50k, scaling!
[12:33:15] <zinid> worth inventing your own IM solution for sure
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[12:39:39] <Holger> Stuff decided reinventing is more fun so they told management nothing scales?
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[12:40:47] <Holger> *Staff
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[12:45:40] <zinid> interesting hypothesis
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[12:59:52] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:
ejabberd (compile)
`src/mod_mqtt.erl:21: Warning: conflicting behaviours - callback start/2 required by both 'ejabberd_listener' and 'gen_mod' (line 20)`
[13:00:00] <rom1dep> and twitter NIHed zulip, it's only business as usual
[13:00:04] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, known issue, yes
[13:00:13] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, ignore it
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[13:07:11] <Licaon_Kter> Remember
https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/postgresql_fsync/
?
Well now...
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/11/release-11-2.html
[13:09:12] <zinid> so they fixed that 20 y.o. bug?
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[13:11:42] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: in the talk he says it's WIP...so I guess this is part of the fix
[13:12:01] <zinid> ah
[13:12:18] <zinid> well, I didn't follow the discussion, only have read it at n-gate
[13:12:46] <Licaon_Kter> Kernels, OS, cache, filesystem types...it's hard....
[13:12:55] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, fuck yeah, it's hard
[13:14:14] <zinid> oh, great fosdem.org webshit: "No video with supported format". I use firefox.
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[13:18:33] <Licaon_Kter> Should work...
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[13:28:29] <Licaon_Kter> Right..click video recording webm below zinid
[13:29:55] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yeah, that worked, thanks
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[15:01:07] <Licaon_Kter> > I wonder if anyone has actually tried "selling" synapse as a replacement to a MQTT server, and if it would be any good at it.. message expiration could be good in this application.
Teh lulz never stop
[15:01:59] <zinid> yeah
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[15:05:48] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I replied 🙂
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[15:27:05] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: you kinda broke out of character there....wonder if Matthew and the gang will google RTB or smth
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[15:27:25] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I don't care
[15:27:44] <zinid> I think nobody will google it
[15:27:56] <zinid> but again, not a big deal if they reveal me 🙂
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[15:34:33] <cromain> Holger: i added #2799 for 19.02 and will follow your findings
[15:35:21] <Holger> cromain: I'll try to look later, unfortunately busy right now.
[15:36:13] <cromain> you pointed a fauly commit already
[15:36:38] <cromain> i'll just choose the best test to allow this case
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[15:46:02] <Holger> cromain: Ah right was looking at the wrong issue :-)
[15:51:03] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> When will ejabberd 19. Be released?
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[15:56:22] <edhelas> this year
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[16:01:19] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Nice news
[16:01:38] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Didn't think that I would even get an answer during this century ...great !
[16:01:43] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> 🤣🤘
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[16:03:26] <edhelas> there's even chances that it get released before the next stable Hurd version
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[16:05:02] <4223> edhelas: the next STABLE Hurd? Where is the last STABLE Hurd?
[16:05:33] <edhelas> depends in which universe you are
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[16:06:21] <edhelas> in the one I'm coming from XMPP is slowly taking over Matrix and ejabberd.io (written in Javascript) runs over Hurd for 8 years now
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[16:07:49] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Am I right saying pgp encrypted messages are not stored on my server ?
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[16:08:50] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Bit omemo messages are stored
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[16:14:55] <Freyskeyd> Hello! I'm seeing that stanza pushed to room with Ejabberd REST api, doesn't trigger any hooks, does a configuration exists that I didn't see?
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[16:16:09] <Freyskeyd> By rest api I was talking about mod_http_api
[16:16:33] <prefiks> what command were you using?
[16:16:56] <Freyskeyd> send_stanza
[16:18:05] <prefiks> ok, what were you trying to send iq?
[16:18:19] <Freyskeyd> no simple groupchat message
[16:19:59] <Freyskeyd> I see that ejabberd_commands run an `api_call` on ejabberd_hooks but nothing more
[16:21:32] <prefiks> what hook aren't called in your case?
[16:21:59] <prefiks> user_send/receive_stanza will not be called by that
[16:22:16] <prefiks> as those really on c2s processing and that skips it
[16:22:29] <Freyskeyd> oh
[16:22:35] <Freyskeyd> I'm listening for :user_send_packet
[16:22:40] <prefiks> there is send_stanza_c2s that should do that
[16:23:20] <prefiks> but it will only work for sessions that are existing (have associated c2s process)
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[16:23:51] <Freyskeyd> mmmh
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[16:26:40] <Freyskeyd> so it's better to use `send_stanza` and moving to another hook than :user_send_packet right?
[16:28:07] <prefiks> depending on what you want to do, send_stanza will just route packet to target with given from
[16:29:04] <prefiks> send_stanza_c2s would pass packet that you given to c2s process as it would come from connection assoiciated with that c2s
[16:29:06] <Freyskeyd> I want to send_stanza in a room and trigger hooks
[16:29:33] <Freyskeyd> yep but I need an associated connection that I don't have
[16:30:28] <prefiks> user_send_packet will be only triggered for existing session anyway, so probably send_c2s will be ok for you
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[16:32:17] <Freyskeyd> but I don't have existing connection when I want to send this message
[16:32:45] <Freyskeyd> does a hook exists (like the :user_send_packet one) for the send_stanza?
[16:33:07] <prefiks> what are your hook supposed to do?
[16:34:07] <prefiks> if you want to just get messages that muc is receiving, probably muc_filter_message will be better for you?
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[16:35:27] <Freyskeyd> I will try that thank's!
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[16:36:39] <Holger> ThUnD3r|Gr33n©: PGP-encrypted messages are usually stored in MAM as well.
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[16:48:24] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> Holger: thanks
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[16:54:33] <Freyskeyd> another question prefiks , to post a message in a room from the API, someone need to be participant of the room?
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[16:56:44] <prefiks> it must be currently be in a room, or if it's not in it must be subscriber or i think admin/owner
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[17:03:20] <Freyskeyd> ok thank
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[17:09:56] <Freyskeyd> does persistent MUC is a problem when dealing with a hugeeeeee number of room?
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[17:11:00] <Freyskeyd> I mean, does a process still live to maintain the room? does it cost performance for the server?
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[23:11:37] <rom1dep> zinid: are you on this thread? :)
How Discord Scaled Elixir to 5M Concurrent Users (2017) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19238221
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