ejabberd - Tuesday, February 26, 2019

ejabberd

Tuesday, February 26, 2019< ^ >

zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im

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[06:53:30] <madmalkav> Discord use xmpp too?
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[06:55:35] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: Elixir..erlang...with rust in between
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[07:38:54] <edhelas> what is the best way to get proper ejabberd statistics ?
[07:40:05] <zinid> > zinid: are you on this thread? :)
rom1dep: no
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[08:50:13] <Freyskeyd> Hello, sorry if a response has come when I was disconnected but I'm searching topics or study on performance degradation or implication of activating muc persistency on a large number of muc (more than 20k per days), I don't find anything usefull for now… do you have some resources talking about that?
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[08:53:28] <zinid> Freyskeyd, you can run RTB to check it
[08:53:43] <zinid> I'm not aware of any existing results
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[09:11:34] <Freyskeyd> @zinid I imagine that when a muc is persisted a process hold the state right?
[09:11:39] <Freyskeyd> so it cost more memory
[09:12:46] <zinid> right
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[09:30:48] <Holger> zinid: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/sql/mysql.new.sql#L467
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[09:31:25] <Holger> zinid: There's index field limits of 153 (random number?), the following indexes have limits of 191 (random number?) for the same fields.  On purpose?
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[09:31:42] <zinid> on purpose
[09:31:52] <zinid> try to set 191 and see MySQL spitting errors
[09:32:17] <zinid> the sum of all length is above some stupid limit in MySQL
[09:32:38] <Holger> Ah, one more field.
[09:32:41] <zinid> so I decreased it so 153+153+...+153 is less than that idiotic limit
[09:34:09] <Holger> Right, 767 bytes.  I see.
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[11:17:53] <Holger> zinid: You asked about Monal recently, their push service was fixed last night and notifications seem to work reliably now.  I'd recommend it over ChatSecure now.
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[11:20:35] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: but can it do group OLOLO yet?
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[11:22:47] <zinid> Holger, yeah, but it was mostly Guus asking 🙂
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[11:24:17] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Nope, but I think the code is kinda done.  So you should recommend it *now*, before the OLOLO bugs are published.
[11:24:23] <Holger> zinid: Ah.
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[11:25:13] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: I can't recommend it if the users can't join in the discussion....no?
[11:26:06] <Holger> Well with ChatSecure they can join and will then loose messages.  Depends on preferences.
[11:26:51] <Holger> And ChatSecure spams their lock screen with "New message!" notifications.
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[11:35:10] <zinid> > but can it do group OLOLO yet?
Useless feature!
[11:35:36] <zinid> I would like to see an iOS app just doing compliance suite without bugs
[11:36:04] <zinid> focusing on OLOLO, which is not even in a compliance suite is useless
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[11:37:25] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> Well with ChatSecure they can join and will then loose messages.  Depends on preferences.
Can't vouch for this, unfortunately my iOS users join rather rarely (swipe the app away because Whatsapp works when swiped right?) and when they do they'll wait some time 'cause they'll get >1000 past MUC messages first....
[11:37:55] <Holger> > Whatsapp works when swiped right?
So does Monal :-P
[11:38:17] <Licaon_Kter> Great to hear that....
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[11:43:11] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, did you manage to fix the slow connecting issue with your nginx?
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[11:45:22] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: I'd have to switch all the proxying to nginx
ATM, I was looking at making Converse work out with nginx, it breaks when it should pass it to ejabberd
[11:45:39] <zinid> heh
[11:46:56] <Holger> Converse via BOSH via Nginx works for me, FWIW.
[11:47:07] <Licaon_Kter> Then again I didn't have time to test without sslh in front, as that might be tricking me...
[11:47:13] <Holger> Ah, sslh.
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[15:13:09] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: so I can't do anything (besides blocking s2s with matrix.org) to stop it from force reopening the bridged rooms?
[15:14:06] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: No, I'm going to block myself if they don't fix that soon.
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[15:15:07] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Or change resource names.  No longer possible with Conversations though :-)
[15:15:18] <Licaon_Kter> Daamit :))
[15:17:42] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: how do they force reopening them?
[15:18:02] <zinid> they somehow modify your bookmarks? 😳
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[15:20:19] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: nope, I've deleted it
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[15:21:22] <zinid> ah, they just keep sending group chat messages?
[15:21:37] <Licaon_Kter> > Bridge ignoring the presence-unavailable?
> Half-Shot: do you remember the XEP-0410 implementation I bullied you into doing?
> Half-Shot: can we please have the same one server-side?
> <iq type="error" from="#matrix#matrix.org@bridge.xmpp.matrix.org/Ge0rG" to="georg@yax.im/poezio.laggy-xyaU" id="ea978079-7473-4e81-a1ae-0d1e47a201e8-402"><error type="cancel" code="503"><service-unavailable xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas" /></error></iq>
[15:21:45] <Licaon_Kter> > poezio interprets that as "not in room", so it performs a /cycle
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[15:22:34] <Licaon_Kter> Not sure if this, what Ge0rg was saying is the issue
[15:22:49] <Licaon_Kter> Not sure if this, what Ge0rg was saying ^^^ is the issue
[15:22:59] <zinid> I didn't understand this
[15:23:16] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe Holger can clear it up...
[15:23:42] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: so the matrix room is sending the error
[15:23:53] <zinid> a client should just ignore that
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[15:28:50] <zinid> also looks like poezio bug
[15:29:08] <zinid> seems like you can force poezio to join any room
[15:29:29] <Licaon_Kter> And Conversations
[15:29:31] <zinid> worth fixing shitty xmpp clients first
[15:29:44] <zinid> that's definitely a security hole
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[15:34:26] <pep.> That's a poezio bug yeah
[15:34:43] <pep.> So we'll fix out shitty client :)
[15:35:05] <zinid> glad to hear that 😊
[15:36:00] <pep.> So we'll fix our shitty client :)
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[15:42:05] <Holger> zinid: Yes but apart from that the Matrix room just keeps sending groupchat messages.
[15:42:20] <zinid> Holger: yes, I understand that
[15:42:27] <Holger> Ok :-)
[15:43:07] <zinid> but this is expected, I don't want to mention in the 100th time that bridges suck 😒
[15:43:11] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: so I should open a Conversations bug too? It not normal to open random non-bookmarked MUC chats, right?
[15:43:20] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: so I should open a Conversations bug too? It's not normal to open random non-bookmarked MUC chats, right?
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[15:43:30] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: No Conversations doesn't do that.
[15:43:45] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: It just accepts and displays the groupchat messages it receives.
[15:44:18] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: and that's ok somehow?
[15:44:30] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: It *could* throw them away given the knowledge that it didn't join the room.  Not sure whether it should.
[15:46:05] <zinid> Holger: well it definitely should maintain the state
[15:46:44] <zinid> it's quite silly to just accept stray group chat messages
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[15:47:38] <zinid> we need moar shitty servers, to keep client developers toned 😁
[15:47:59] <Holger> So hide them from the user and return an error?
[15:48:18] <zinid> Holger: yes
[15:48:44] <zinid> you're not joined, why do you accept them?
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[15:49:32] <zinid> just generate the error so the matrix gateway gets flooded with errors and will crash!
[15:49:40] <Holger> Yes I'd probably buy that, just not entirely sure about the "hide from the user" part.
[15:50:20] <Holger> E.g. I can silently drain your battery then. Though presumably I can do that anyway.
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[15:51:14] <Holger> MIX-PAM should block them 🙂
[15:51:45] <zinid> and by rendering something to the user how do you solve the problem?
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[15:52:04] <zinid> rendering probably will consume more battery
[15:52:38] <Holger> That way I notice the issue and can block with 0191/0016. If Conversations would allow me 🙂
[15:52:53] <Holger> Or complain.
[15:53:06] <Holger> To my admin or Matrix.
[15:53:09] <zinid> or install WhatsApp
[15:53:19] <Holger> Exactly.
[15:54:03] <Holger> Dunno in this particular case I'm happy to notice the issue but you're probably right.
[15:55:06] <zinid> anyway the current approach just to display stray messages is probably the worst way to solve the problem
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[16:05:11] <zinid> who is the author if that great gateway?
[16:05:21] <zinid> *of
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[16:06:05] <zinid> can matrix community write anything working? so far I see they are only good at UX and marketing
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[16:07:24] <zinid> riot web is a pile of shit: due to constant running progress bar and falling balls I had an impression I was playing Arcanoid
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[16:07:30] <zinid> very gross
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[16:07:58] <zinid> also slow as fuck
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[16:10:30] <bowlofeggs> ooooh, ejabberd 19.02 was tagged eh?
[16:10:30] <bowlofeggs> nice
[16:10:31] <bowlofeggs> congrats!
[16:10:43] <zinid> bowlofeggs: yeah, thanks
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[16:12:12] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:
> who is the author of that great gateway?
Mini-Daniel of course :))
https://github.com/Half-Shot
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[16:13:24] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: 187 commits in February, very productive pupil
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[16:40:41] <pep.> "Holger> Yes I'd probably buy that, just not entirely sure about the "hide from the user" part. E.g. I can silently drain your battery then.", presences, anybody? :)
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[16:53:13] <mightyBroccoli> Is it possible to request a new captcha from ejabberd?
background would be a new web register page with a python script calling the rest api
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[16:53:47] <zinid> yes
[16:54:10] <zinid> it's somehow done in mod_web_register
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[16:54:59] <zinid> ah, wait
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[16:56:33] <zinid> no, not possible, mod_register_web calls internal erlang functions
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[16:58:09] <mightyBroccoli> hmm ok then I will call the captcha script itself and tickled random to get some random values :)
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[16:59:10] <zinid> https://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/downloads/
[16:59:22] <zinid> 19.02 is ready to download
[16:59:26] <zinid> the blogpost is to come
[16:59:40] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: what is HEAD?
:))
[16:59:48] <mightyBroccoli> sweet :)
[16:59:55] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yeah, it's hard to impress you with the release 😀
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[17:00:15] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: joking still on 18.12.117 though
[17:00:18] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, hope you tested the HEAD thouroughly
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[17:01:00] <Licaon_Kter> Since the carbon fix in 18.12.1 there was nothing that I cared about...or impacted me....
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[17:01:59] <zinid> good thus far
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[17:02:26] <Licaon_Kter> I see this when I do clean up though....hope elder gods can do a fix though
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2695#issuecomment-444737707
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[17:04:12] <Freyskeyd> @zinid do you plan to release a hex.pm release?
[17:04:30] <zinid> I think yes
[17:04:41] <zinid> at least all deps are already released on hex.pm
[17:04:41] <cromain> https://blog.process-one.net/ejabberd-19-02-the-mqtt-edition/
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[17:12:23] <zinid> cromain, 👍
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[18:06:58] <Licaon_Kter> cromain: no tweet about that? Fail....
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[18:07:15] <Licaon_Kter> #add #more #hash #tags
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[18:10:06] <Licaon_Kter> _"We had our laughs...hehe....but don't leave the silo!"_
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=edSgP2dEZ1o
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[22:13:48] <zinid> !version
[22:14:28] <zinid> !version zinid
[22:14:29] <Servant> zinid: You are running Conversations version 2.4.1+fcr on Android
[22:14:47] <zinid> 🤗
[22:15:27] <panpansh> !version panpansh
[22:15:27] <Servant> panpansh: There was an error requesting panpansh's version: not  acceptable
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[22:38:25] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!
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[22:39:19] <panpansh> Exactly
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[22:44:34] <panpansh> 😅
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[23:27:30] <rom1dep> huh, that's new
<0.5660.17>@xmpp_sasl_scram:mech_step:177 gen_server <0.5660.17> terminated with reason: bad argument in call to crypto:do_exor(…) in xmpp_sasl_scram:mech_step/2 line 177 in context child_terminated
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[23:35:48] <rom1dep> and I force-killed conversations, re-entered my password, and it worked. Some levels of weird.
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