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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[02:19:54] <genofire> hi, one question where is the "code" of the docs website? i had to read erlang for getting sql ssl config option 🙁 ...
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[05:43:42] <Licaon_Kter> genofire: https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im ?
[05:44:05] <genofire> To easy 😅
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[06:06:46] <genofire> hope it help: https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im/pull/65
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[07:04:50] <Holger> genofire: "The option is valid
[07:04:51] <Holger> lorddavidiii: for `mysql` and `pgsql`."
[07:05:15] <Holger> ("lorddavidiii"?  Copy-paste not easy.)
[07:05:34] <Holger> genofire: Is that true?  I thought we currently only have TLS support for Postgres.
[07:06:07] <Holger> genofire: Also please don't mix white-space and content changes.  Makes review much harder.
[07:07:04] <Holger> zinid: Out of curiosity do you know the real pros and cons of Tigase?  I could tell for e.g. Openfire/Prosody but am clueless about Tigase.
[07:07:52] <Holger> "It's good at everything" didn't really help.
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[07:28:49] <zinid> Holger: no idea, I never tried it
[07:28:54] <Holger> k
[07:29:24] <zinid> also, what I knew about it 10 years ago is probably irrelevant now
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[07:30:51] <Licaon_Kter> They brag about 8.0 having http_upload and push....I can't even...wtf? NOW they have this?
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[07:47:34] <zinid> let me try it
[07:47:43] <zinid> if [ -z "${JAVA_HOME}" ] ; then
  echo "JAVA_HOME is not set."
  echo "Please set it to correct value before starting the sever."
  exit 1
fi
[07:47:52] <zinid> fuck,  what idiot does that
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[07:52:22] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah...that too...
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[07:54:17] <zinid> started
[07:54:20] <zinid> 310Mb of RSS
[07:54:50] <Licaon_Kter> Just the web interface that you need to setup...just port 8080...right?
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[07:55:29] <Licaon_Kter> I felt asleep after step 3 of the config...then again...when presning NEXT it took my RPi1 in 100% CPU for some seconds  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[07:58:24] <zinid> the config is full of "jabber:iq:x:y" - yes/no?
[07:58:30] <zinid> very easy to configure, yeah
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[07:59:24] <zinid> 400Mb after reconfiguration
[08:00:18] <zinid> all passwords without confirmation, no option to show the password
[08:00:55] <zinid> > etc/config.tdsl configuration file is updated with new configuration. Please restart server to apply new configuration.
[08:01:42] <zinid> 680Mb after the restart
[08:03:03] <zinid> 720Mb
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[08:10:12] <Licaon_Kter> Out of your AWS XXL 32Gb instance? Who care amirite?
[08:10:14] <Licaon_Kter> *s
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[08:18:10] <zinid> ```
'certificate-container' {
    'custom-certificates' {
        'host1.example.net' = '/home/tigase/certs/host1.pem'
        'host2.example.net' = '/home/tigase/certs/host2.pem'
        'host3.example.net' = '/home/tigase/certs/host3.pem'
    }
}
```
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[08:21:14] <zinid> to sum it up, just another lie about ease of configuration and resource usage
[08:22:35] <andreipmbcn> As I understand it, when using xmpp in the browser, a resource is unique to a given chat program instance, an sid is unique to a given browser session and an rid is unique to a given http request for credentials. Is this correct?
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[08:51:24] <Licaon_Kter> andreipmbcn: bosh or websockets?
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[09:01:29] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, bosh obviously, sid and rid is from BOSH
[09:03:15] <andreipmbcn> Yeah, I'm referring to BOSH.
[09:03:39] <andreipmbcn> As I understand it, when using xmpp [edit: with BOSH] in the browser, a resource is unique to a given chat program instance, an sid is unique to a given browser session and an rid is unique to a given http request for credentials. Is this correct?
[09:04:07] <zinid> andreipmbcn, I think yes
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[09:04:26] <zinid> although I suggest using websockets+stream management usually, if possible
[09:04:51] <andreipmbcn> Okay, thanks. Can I generate the sids and rids myself, or does the server do it for me?
[09:06:09] <zinid> you generate rid and the resource, but the server generates sid
[09:06:10] <andreipmbcn> I am currently using xmpp-prebind-php to generate them, but that program outputs a new sid and rid each time it runs, even when the jid is the same, suggesting that I need to fix it somehow so it only generates a new sid every time the session changes.
[09:06:40] <zinid> the server needs the sid to locate your bosh stream and route stanzas to it
[09:06:55] <zinid> so you cannot generate one yourself
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[09:07:13] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: thanks
[09:07:54] <andreipmbcn> If I have multiple sids per resource (say, one sid per opened browser tab, which is the case right now), does the server still route the messages appropriately?
[09:08:46] <zinid> no
[09:09:38] <andreipmbcn> I thought as much. Thank you. What I'll do is store the sid and rid that xmpp-prebind-php generates and fetch them from storage in every new browser tab if they are available.
[09:09:59] <zinid> rid is per-request, you cannot store it
[09:10:04] <zinid> rid = request id
[09:10:16] <zinid> so you should change it all the time for new request
[09:11:16] <zinid> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html#rids
[09:11:35] <andreipmbcn> Thanks again. I'll read that.
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[09:15:17] <zinid> btw, you can use different sids if you also use different resources
[09:15:30] <zinid> but note that the number of resources is limited at the server (10 by default)
[09:16:01] <zinid> also, when using a new resource you will start a completely new xmpp session with the server
[09:16:11] <zinid> so better to fix that sid problem, yeah
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[09:35:06] <genofire> Holger, better? (do not make fun about people how writes docu ...)
[09:36:37] <genofire> it looks for me like it supports mysql eigther -> i have not test it
[09:37:16] <genofire> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/51e7ccc16dda31c68cd7f3160795f583c989e3c4/src/ejabberd_sql.erl#L985-L1011
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[09:38:18] <genofire> (better: everthing-(sqlite, odbc,mssql)   )
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[10:12:46] <Holger> zinid: Isn't that code wrong?
[10:13:14] <Holger> genofire: It was added by this commit, see the commit message: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/03667d0c737f4de2
[10:13:20] <zinid> Holger, dunno, we already have "type" in rosterusers and no quoting was required
[10:13:32] <Holger> And I see no indication of TLS support in our MySQL driver.
[10:14:10] <Holger> zinid: I meant the TLS support thing (genofire's link).
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[10:14:16] <zinid> ah
[10:14:27] <zinid> well, go figure what you guys discussing 😀
[10:16:24] <Holger> zinid: You hand over SSL options also for MySQL, but it's only supported for Postgres as far as I can see.
[10:16:38] <Holger> (genofire was writing docs ...)
[10:17:15] <zinid> ah
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[10:18:21] <genofire> so, do i found a bug?
[10:19:04] <zinid> which one?
[10:19:07] <Holger> genofire: And yes the diff looks much better now, thanks.
[10:19:21] <Holger> zinid: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/51e7ccc16dda31c68cd7f3160795f583c989e3c4/src/ejabberd_sql.erl#L985-L1011
[10:19:38] <Holger> Not a real problem I guess, the options will just be ignored.
[10:19:46] <zinid> yes, but the option lis
[10:19:51] <zinid> list is ignored
[10:20:02] <zinid> and there is warning
[10:20:18] <Holger> Ah didn't see the warning.  Fine then, thx.
[10:20:22] <zinid> how it passes the options internally is irrelevant and is not a bug
[10:21:09] <Holger> Yes I just thought admins might configure TLS for MySQL and wrongly assume it's enabled.
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[10:28:19] <zinid> the only bug is that we don't halt at the startup
[10:28:38] <zinid> but it's tricky because the config parser doesn't support option dependency
[10:28:41] <Holger> Yup.
[10:29:32] <zinid> genofire, I really don't understand what you're talking about on the "family" issue
[10:29:43] <zinid> postgresql used to work perfectly, it's broken now?
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[10:30:35] <zinid> and btw, reserved column names is so miserable fail of SQL
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[10:36:39] <genofire> postgresql not, but my cockroach try - it has this extra option
[10:38:45] <genofire> but you usually connect to a cockroachdb like it is a postgresql DB
[10:40:17] <genofire> cockroachdb has also some other issues e.g.: https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach/issues/26386#issuecomment-475178998 -> but this should not make a problem
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[11:05:37] <zinid> I'm not sure we need that
[11:06:39] <Holger> Is it web scale?
[11:06:48] <zinid> now, every project should implement this cockroach workaround?
[11:08:19] <zinid> not sure why people implement SQL engines nowadays 🙂
[11:08:24] <Holger> Damn my (completely non-geek) wife asks, in her words, whether something like a Facebook transport exists.
[11:08:32] <Holger> Holger: "Errm weelll".
[11:08:42] <zinid> to compete, you should have exceptional implementation, like "wow"
[11:10:01] <zinid> > supports strongly-consistent ACID transactions
wut?
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[11:20:14] <genofire> Holger, the answer was, there was a time where it was not nessesary and there was one?
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[11:21:20] <Holger> genofire: Well my answer was "there is one but it's probably crap".  She said "doesn't matter I'll try it".  I said "sigh".
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[11:22:16] <zinid> Holger: let her use Facebook app?
[11:22:28] <zinid> why transport?
[11:22:36] <genofire> :b for every person who try some technical stuff
[11:23:17] <genofire> zinid, 1. you want not an app with a lot of trackers on you phone 2. you want to masq you src ip address
[11:23:45] <Holger> zinid: That's precisely what she's trying to avoid.  Too many chat apps.
[11:24:00] <genofire> https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9941-how_facebook_tracks_you_on_android
[11:24:33] <Holger> zinid: She receives Facebook messages like once a month or so.  So doesn't want to run an app just for that.
[11:24:46] <Holger> Bit similar for myself, except it's once a year.
[11:25:19] <Holger> Some oversea relatives writing me or whatever.
[11:25:46] <Holger> She doesn't care about these tracker stories and whatnot at all though :-)
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[11:27:47] <genofire> but you are true - that my own step to transports was to have a single app also (+ e.g. irc backlog ...)
[11:28:37] <genofire> Holger, so my PR for docs is fine? (or should i do somehing)
[11:29:36] <Holger> genofire: I think it's fine.
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[11:30:03] <Holger> (But I have no access to that repo.  Because some black magic must happen whenever some change is merged.)
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[11:35:29] <zinid> > zinid, 1. you want not an app with a lot of trackers on you phone 2. you want to masq you src ip address
people usually don't give a shit
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[11:36:52] <Holger> My wife is fine with WhatsApp and whatever privacy implications that has.  She just doesn't want several WhatsApps because usability.
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[11:43:16] <ta> Holger, so your wife is using a transport to facebook with conversations, probably (?) and it suits her needs? Just asking for ~a friend~ my wife.
[11:46:24] <Holger> She doesn't, she just asked me whether such a thing exists.  And because I didn't say "no" she now asks me to set one up :-)
[11:48:04] <genofire> spectrum2 -> libpurple ->purple-facebook ... the try with telegram was a nightmare (if some one rename the muc it breaks, if some one has special chars in telegram username ....)
[11:50:09] <Licaon_Kter> genofire:
> Holger, so my PR for docs is fine? (or should i do somehing)
FYI badlop rewrites PRs on their own private repo and then pushes the repo back to Github....for some reason
[11:50:42] <ta> Holger, materialfb is used by my wife and she is fine with it. She doesn't care about tracking at all, but if i show her some lightwight and privacy friendly app, she tries. having several apps is not an issue for her.
[11:50:46] <genofire> (and you was always double in your participant by your phone number and your nickname)
[11:51:22] <ta> genofire, that chain is to much hussle for me to even be considered...
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[15:43:23] <poVoq> is there a official MUC for thr JSXC client? The upcoming 4.0 release sounds really nice...
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[15:44:43] <Licaon_Kter> poVoq: upcoming? It's up and coming for a year or smth :))
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[15:45:41] <poVoq> https://www.jsxc.org/blog/2019/03/02/v4.0.0-beta1-released.html
[15:45:45] <poVoq> very close now
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[16:19:36] <Licaon_Kter> poVoq: oh, didn't know they got a beta out
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[16:22:22] <zinid> !version muc.tigase.org
[16:22:38] <Servant> zinid: muc.tigase.org is running Multi User Chat version 2.1.0-SNAPSHOT-b118/4152c5ce on Linux-amd64-4.4.0-1077-aws, Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM-1.8.0_161 Oracle Corporation
[16:23:24] <Licaon_Kter> So it's a different component....not 8.0.0...I don't understand...
[16:24:44] <zinid> ```
192.168.001.102.05184-034.216.098.042.05222: <stream:stream xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' xmlns='jabber:client' to='muc.tigase.org' version='1.0'>
034.216.098.042.05222-192.168.001.102.05184: <?xml version='1.0'?><stream:stream xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' id='tigase-error-tigase' from='muc.tigase.org' version='1.0' xml:lang='en'><stream:error><host-unknown xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams'/></stream:error></stream:stream>
```
[16:25:08] <zinid> this shit is weird
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[16:25:44] <Licaon_Kter> Lol.
[16:25:47] <Licaon_Kter> ಠ_ಠ
[16:26:00] <zinid> I don't know how Servant was able to connect
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[16:33:03] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, can you try `openssl s_client -connect muc.tigase.org:5269 -starttls xmpp -xmpphost muc.tigase.org` from your ejabberd server?
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[16:51:02] <Licaon_Kter> Self signed, zinid , so?
[16:51:32] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, it's obviously self-signed, I was asking whether openssl connection works for your server at all
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[16:53:29] <Licaon_Kter> It scrolls too much, what should I grep for
[16:53:31] <Licaon_Kter> ?
[16:55:02] <Licaon_Kter> If I put my domain
> New, TLSv1.2, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
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[16:58:56] <zinid> but it still doesn't accept your ejabberd?
[16:59:09] <zinid> do you have this cipher configured?
[16:59:42] <zinid> yes, you have
[16:59:58] <zinid> it's the second in the list you provided in conversations@
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[17:02:41] <Licaon_Kter> That's the modern list as Mozilla recommends
[17:03:58] <zinid> yeah, but I don't understand why the negotiation fails
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[17:04:14] <zinid> you apparently have at least one cipher shared
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[19:36:12] <zinid> Holger, ha, I just read your rants in xsf@ room
[19:36:37] <zinid> Holger, funny, how they are not responsible for anything except standards, yet constantly discussing how to promote XMPP
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[20:09:39] <Holger> zinid: I'm not even asking anyone to *produce* specs. But we have a huge mess and nobody feels responsible for cleaning it up.
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[20:10:15] <zinid> well, you know what "they" typically reply to this, so I will not re-iterate 🙂
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[20:14:40] <Holger> I'm told I can clean it up myself on https://holger.com/docs/xmpp/ …
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[20:16:30] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: umm
> 404 Not Found
> nginx
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[20:17:55] <SouL> So I'm guessing I was quite right?
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