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[02:45:38] <Alacer> Well I believe Facebook may bring messenger to XMPP. I think due to last statement from Mark. They want to have a single standard and MQTT is good but was never an IM protocol
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[06:18:04] <paul> Alacer: can you share a link of this statement? It would be cool but surprising.
[06:18:52] <paul> April fool ! Stupid me 😂
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[06:21:40] <Licaon_Kter> paul: not quite, they say the want a single standard, but only with the apps that they have and approve. So be it XMPP or MQTT or Matrix it doesn'nt matter as long as you can't connect your custom app.
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[06:24:16] <paul> Licaon_Kter: ok this looks more like Facebook, try to keep users as much in their network as possible. But why have a single standard then?
[06:27:25] <Licaon_Kter> paul: legislation
https://mobile.twitter.com/iNPUTmice/status/1103930128621481984
[06:28:09] <Licaon_Kter> paul: it's like the Signal situation, they brag it's all open source, but you can't actually connect to *their* network if you compile the server/client, so useless.
[06:28:57] <paul> This is sad...
[06:29:32] <paul> Thanks for the insight
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[06:57:53] <Alacer> paul: it's my Believe not sure as I believe in one link there was something that all the encryption tech would be like WhatsApp and this is basis of my assumption/believe...
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[06:59:08] <Alacer> And I totally agree to Daniel's tweet
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[10:42:57] <madmalkav> Quick question: each ejabberd_listener must have its own tcp port, right?
[10:44:30] <Holger> The combination of IP address, protocol (TCP vs. UDP), and port must be unique, yes.
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[10:50:28] <madmalkav> Thanks man
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[11:31:00] <edhelas> zinid you were true :D
[11:31:14] <edhelas> https://movim.eu:5280/upload/9d94237298995552fa13436420195fbca436dce7/sAb2PpSyf4UdkrKnlnojVutqR9X5tfCb2zISsnaW/Screenshot_20190401_133044.png
[11:32:22] <zinid> edhelas, 7Gb?
[11:32:48] <zinid> or 2Gb last time
[11:32:58] <edhelas> 4
[11:33:00] <zinid> is this memory consumption expected?
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[11:33:16] <edhelas> dunno
[11:33:24] <edhelas> but I have 4gb of memory on the server
[11:33:33] <zinid> yeah, so definitely not expected
[11:33:43] <zinid> in this case you must have something in the logs
[11:33:52] <zinid> grep -i oom ejabberd.log
[11:34:38] <zinid> !version movim.eu
[11:34:39] <Servant> zinid: movim.eu is running ejabberd version 18.12.1 on unix/linux 4.9.0
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[11:36:39] <edhelas> zinid nope nothing in the logs
[11:37:10] <zinid> I doubt that
[11:37:31] <zinid> do you have oom_killer configured in ejabberd.yml?
[11:37:57] <edhelas> nein
[11:38:01] <zinid> okay
[11:38:10] <zinid> are you sure the logs you're grepping are up to date?
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[11:38:31] <zinid> I mean the log date must correlate with the timestamp you see in dmesg
[11:38:42] <edhelas> root@edhelas-server:/opt/ejabberd/log# grep -i oom ejabberd.log
2019-04-01 12:07:04.186 [warning] <0.16994.16>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_failure:198 (tls|<0.16994.16>) Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication doomsong.co.uk -> movim.eu (::ffff:46.4.77.103): certificate has expired
2019-04-01 12:07:04.296 [warning] <0.16760.16>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_failure:226 (tls|<0.16760.16>) Failed outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication movim.eu -> doomsong.co.uk (46.4.77.103): Authentication failed: Peer provided no SASL mechanisms; most likely it doesn't accept our certificate
2019-04-01 12:09:04.704 [warning] <0.16848.16>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:160 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection jappix.com -> jabber.doomicile.de: DNS lookup failed: non-existing domain; bouncing for 235 seconds
2019-04-01 12:39:44.263 [warning] <0.18351.16>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_failure:198 (tls|<0.18351.16>) Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication doomsong.co.uk -> movim.eu (::ffff:46.4.77.103): certificate has expired
2019-04-01 12:39:47.070 [warning] <0.18518.16>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_failure:226 (tls|<0.18518.16>) Failed outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication movim.eu -> doomsong.co.uk (46.4.77.103): Authentication failed: Peer provided no SASL mechanisms; most likely it doesn't accept our certificate
2019-04-01 12:39:47.201 [warning] <0.18174.16>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_failure:226 (tls|<0.18174.16>) Failed outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication movim.eu -> doomsong.co.uk (46.4.77.103): Authentication failed: Peer provided no SASL mechanisms; most likely it doesn't accept our certificate
[11:38:44] <edhelas> got that
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[11:39:04] <zinid> it's for today only
[11:39:19] <edhelas> I'll check in the history
[11:39:38] <zinid> look into /var/log/message for precise date of OOM killer
[11:39:51] <zinid> * /var/log/messages
[11:40:05] <zinid> then find ejabberd logs from this date
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[11:40:15] <zinid> either ejabberd.log or error.log
[11:40:23] <zinid> grep both
[11:41:45] <edhelas> ok, I'll check that going back home, I'm at my job now
[11:41:50] <zinid> sure
[11:41:55] <Holger> Next time you see beam.smp eating lots of memory (you should monitor that), you could open an `ejabberdctl debug` shell and call:
application:start(os_mon).
{_, _, {Pid, Size}} = memsup:get_memory_data().
application:stop(os_mon).
erlang:process_info(Pid).
[11:42:10] <Holger> And/or `etop -sort memory`.
[11:42:20] <zinid> yeah, etop is probably better, if it's installed
[11:42:46] <zinid> I bet it's pubsub though
[11:43:05] <Holger> Yeah.
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[11:50:46] <edhelas> cromain is working on it (mod_pubsub) :3
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[12:11:31] <Licaon_Kter> mremond for council? Yay
[12:12:19] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, wut? He applied for the council? Proof?
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[12:12:48] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Micka%C3%ABl_R%C3%A9mond_Application_2019
[12:13:23] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I don't see Council application, only Membership
[12:13:29] <Licaon_Kter> And Anu from Monal and all the regulars
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q2_2019
[12:13:33] <zinid> he is an XSF Member for years already
[12:13:46] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: yeah, my bad, no idea what's what  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[12:14:17] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yeah, membership is a completely uselsess thing
[12:14:31] <Licaon_Kter> That was the next question
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[12:24:53] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, during last voting (Membership Q1 2019), everyone voted for everyone
[12:24:58] <zinid> just like always
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[12:25:53] <zinid> so if you write in your application "I'm here to destroy the XMPP" you will be voted +1
[12:26:20] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I think you're the one among very rare people who read applications at all :)
[12:26:49] <Licaon_Kter> Well... XEP-0616 is just for that
[12:26:56] <zinid> 616?
[12:27:07] <zinid> damn, I missed XEP-0500???
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[12:28:20] <Licaon_Kter> Lol grep 616 here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast
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[12:30:14] <zinid> not sure XMPP will be alive even by XEP-500, so no concern :)
[12:31:03] <madmalkav> Probably stupid question but, any recommended port range for setting service listeners ?
[12:32:08] <zinid> madmalkav, no
[12:32:51] <zinid> btw, IANA currently strongly discourages from using well-known ports
[12:33:33] <zinid> which means no new standard can define any port number
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[12:34:51] <madmalkav> 👌
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[12:53:10] <zinid> https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/platform/release-notes/2019/vat-russia/
[12:53:16] <zinid> great
[12:53:25] <zinid> time to buy rpi?
[12:53:32] <madmalkav> Erlang, the language so alien to my I'm unable to see even the possible values of a config entry...
[12:53:45] <madmalkav> Erlang, the language so alien to me I'm unable to see even the possible values of a config entry...
[12:53:47] <zinid> madmalkav, grep doesn't help?
[12:54:03] <madmalkav> Grep doesn't fix being dumb 😅
[12:54:17] <zinid> grep will show you the validator entry
[12:54:30] <zinid> for example, what config value are you struggling with?
[12:54:35] <madmalkav> Is there any recommended reading for ejabberd_services otherthan the official doc and the xep
[12:55:08] <madmalkav> I'm trying to know if access is the place to configure accept or connect mode
[12:55:10] <zinid> madmalkav, the only source of The Truth is the Source Code
[12:55:20] <madmalkav> 😂
[12:56:26] <zinid> accept or connect mode?
[12:56:38] <zinid> there is 'access' ACL rule for ejabberd_service, a listening option
[12:57:39] <madmalkav> xep-0114 , Concepts part
[12:58:08] <zinid> madmalkav, ejabberd_service doesn't connect anywhere, only accepts
[12:58:27] <zinid> the component itself connects to ejabberd
[12:58:28] <madmalkav> Ok
[12:58:50] <madmalkav> Thanks man
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[13:54:09] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: how much VAT for a $5 instance?
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[13:55:03] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, 20%
[13:55:06] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, $1
[13:55:17] <zinid> but why?
[13:55:22] <zinid> I do no sales, wtf?
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[13:56:20] <zinid> it's now $12/year more
[13:57:31] <zinid> I'm told vultr has $2.5/month
[13:57:36] <zinid> maybe I will migrate there
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[14:01:55] <zinid> actually this is not only for Russia, see https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/accounts/billing/taxes/switzerland/
[14:03:00] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, we probably need a deal: I will host your users and you will host mine :)
[14:03:12] <zinid> need to implement some simple failover in ejabberd
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[14:16:28] <ta> zinid, are searching for a cheaper vps than 5$? i have no idea about taxes, but netcup.de from germany offers one für 2,69€, which should be less than $5 when adding tax.
[14:17:31] <zinid> ta: is the network stable?
[14:17:43] <ta> yes
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[14:17:58] <zinid> ipv6?
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[14:18:35] <ta> yes, its pretty state of the art (from what i can tell)
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[14:19:44] <ta> on the otherhand https://www.1984.is/buy/hosting/ has some special offer atm. They dont ask anything as long as you pay. Netcup needs an adress and calls once for verification. So i have no idea, if they sell to russia.
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[14:20:44] <ta> forget about 1984.is it is too small for your needs, my bad.
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[16:35:11] <poVoq> Netcup is good, but the cheapest prices are only available on their .de website and I doubt they sell them to people without a German address. Even the .eu offers are already less good and those are probably meant for EU citizen only
[16:36:11] <poVoq> have a look at OVH. They are ok and you can set up a VPS without verification of address or bank account
[16:36:19] <poVoq> payment with paypal
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[18:19:30] <mightyBroccoli> NetCup works fine.
poVoq: for a de tld it is required to live in Germany. Same thing with the eu tld.
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[18:22:43] <poVoq> mightyBroccoli, but for just ordering a root server / VPS they also require proof of residence in Germany last year when I ordered one
[18:23:04] <zinid> yeah, and I'm definitely not a German resident ;)
[18:23:33] <poVoq> maybe they changed that or I remember incorrectly
[18:24:06] <mightyBroccoli> I am not sure if you are required to be a resident or if you only have to provide a German address you own. Law gibberish Idk
[18:25:13] <poVoq> I think they just want to avoid payment troubes ;)
[18:26:18] <poVoq> in a low margine business any small issue easily eats up any profit for a long time
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[20:38:56] <j.r> How much RAM does ejabberd consumer per user?
[20:39:00] <j.r> In average
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[20:45:21] <ChaosKid42> I believe it's around 400 KiB
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[20:48:52] <j.r> Oh thank you ChaosKid42
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