Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, April 2, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[06:38:06] <zinid> ChaosKid42: which means 1M users will consume 400Gb
[06:38:19] <zinid> something that I don't see in benchmarks
[06:39:15] <j.r> zinid: what do you see?
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[06:43:22] <zinid> j.r: around 100kb worst case
[06:43:42] <zinid> if you disable TLS then half of that
[06:43:47] <j.r> Oh
[06:44:04] <j.r> So 1M User = 100GB?
[06:44:18] <zinid> hehe, well
[06:44:25] <zinid> it depends on usage
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[06:45:04] <zinid> but this is something general, which is easy to remember
[06:45:18] <j.r> Yeay I know if you have hardcore users you will consume more
[06:45:45] <zinid> no, I think 100M is an actual upper limit
[06:46:05] <zinid> no, I think 100Gb is an actual upper limit
[06:46:27] <j.r> Yeay ok... that should be enough
[06:46:54] <zinid> you see, TLS consumes 50kb *if* you're lucky
[06:47:07] <ChaosKid42> zinid: Oh. From my own benchmarks 400KiB is what I recalled. But in my age, that might be misleading 😃.
And: I only tested with around 20.000 concurrent users.
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[06:49:23] <Licaon_Kter> ChaosKid42: had 1500 with a RPi3...so ~200kb ?
[06:49:37] <ChaosKid42> I always thought 400KiB per user is pretty good. But if ejabberd is only consuming 50 ... what a great piece of software. You don't see that very often nowadays.
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[06:51:12] <Holger> I do see *up to* 400 KiB in production as well. But most of the time it's more like 200–250 KiB.
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[06:52:20] <Holger> That's with "all features" enabled, memory queues for CSI/SM, and so on.
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[06:53:43] <Holger> Maybe benchmarks don't trigger the amount of memory fragmentation you run into in practice.
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[07:13:17] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: RTB can't pubsub, not sure how much that would consume
[07:13:45] <zinid> pubsub will just destroy your server with any significant load
[07:14:29] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: ref https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2847
The CI had failed, but did it show the same error that I was getting?
[07:15:04] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I didn't check the travis output, because it's always pain to read travis output
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[07:24:39] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, what you have shown in the issue tracker is definitely a problem of previous refactoring
[07:25:13] <zinid> I didn't notice it because our own internal suite didn't start at all ;)
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[07:28:18] <Licaon_Kter> Oh
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[17:34:11] <raver> https://xmpp.rimkus.it:5444/upload/rimkus.it/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/cp2fQKXBWvIvP0pM4Y8lWu2V0QbC1Vo9PYvgbT29/Bildschirmfoto_zu_2019-04-02_19-33-58.png
[17:34:24] <raver> I have 4 user in ejabberd
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[17:34:47] <raver> ...but biboumi bridge and #ubuntu irc chat with 1500+ users in the room...
[17:34:51] <raver> could that be a problem?
[17:37:04] <j.r> raver: press f6 and select by memory
[17:37:18] <j.r> Then you will see what consumes
[17:37:34] <raver> :D jenkins is no. 1
[17:37:57] <j.r> So no XMPP Problem
[17:38:27] <raver> https://xmpp.rimkus.it:5444/upload/rimkus.it/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/HjWes2iVx6B3hBW6AkCdav3ZZVDT9PbFZDe6vEMO/Bildschirmfoto_zu_2019-04-02_19-38-11.png
[17:38:42] <raver> yea but cpu usage...?
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[17:39:16] <j.r> Just a half core
[17:39:18] <zinid> raver: is etop installed?
[17:39:43] <raver> in 10 sec... :)
[17:40:06] <raver> oh
[17:40:13] <raver> no etop in ubuntu repos.. :/
[17:40:20] <zinid> etop -sort reductions
[17:40:23] <zinid> ah
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[17:42:16] <raver> just askingk
[17:42:39] <raver> ...even consumes more cpu than the counter strike servers of my friend
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[17:44:19] <zinid> raver: that's not normal
[17:44:30] <zinid> but without etop hard to say
[17:44:37] <raver> where can i get it?
[17:44:51] <zinid> it's a part of erlang
[17:45:18] <zinid> but disro maintainers don't include it usually
[17:45:24] <Lucy Kawaii Akuma> Why there so many pids open?
[17:46:21] <zinid> that's threads I guess
[17:46:48] <Lucy Kawaii Akuma> Oh ok
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[17:49:00] <Lucy Kawaii Akuma> Bad config ?
[17:49:22] <Lucy Kawaii Akuma> Have you test to reinstall ejabberd?
[17:49:48] <raver> hmm I will do a restart of ejabberd and have an eye of the usage
[17:50:08] <raver> is it safe to get erlang like this for ubuntu? https://tecadmin.net/install-erlang-on-ubuntu/
[17:50:20] <raver> I'm afraid of messing erlang from ejabberd processone deb package...
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[17:51:11] <zinid> raver: I would not restart
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[17:51:22] <raver> to late...
[17:51:23] <zinid> why do you want to restart?
[17:51:54] <raver> and cpu usage is normal...
[17:52:06] <zinid> that might be some loop generated by a client
[17:52:12] <raver> I've played around with matterbridge and biboumi at last
[17:52:15] <raver> yea
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[17:52:30] <raver> hmm
[17:52:41] <raver> nope increases very fast
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[17:56:06] <raver> but stays at approx. 70%...
[17:56:30] <zinid> yeah, looks like a loop
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[17:56:47] <zinid> I can help later
[17:57:05] <zinid> to debug the issue
[17:57:05] <raver> 👍
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[17:57:22] <raver> Cool
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[18:06:05] <raver> as soon as I connect with gajim cpu usage increases drastically
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[18:07:18] <zinid> does Gajim consumes CPU?
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[18:08:25] <zinid> if it does, open its XML console to see what stanzas are flowing
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[18:08:34] <raver> yep...
[18:08:44] <raver> https://xmpp.rimkus.it:5444/upload/rimkus.it/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/tDRRpZlSmAvpC4uIWjqaBwhfW9zyrdB4kpguKIuV/Bildschirmfoto_zu_2019-04-02_20-08-18.png
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[18:09:07] <zinid> yeah, there is XML console
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[18:09:48] <raver> where can I find it?
[18:10:13] <zinid> eergh...
[18:10:26] <zinid> Admin Tools or something
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[18:10:58] <zinid> Accounts -> Admin something-something -> XML console
[18:11:00] <raver> found it
[18:11:17] <raver> accounts->extended->xml-console
[18:11:33] <raver> wooaaa
[18:11:35] <raver> terror....
[18:13:14] <raver> it is showing old irc messages over and over....
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[18:14:14] <zinid> raver, probably worth asking in biboumi or gajim conference?
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[18:14:24] <raver> yea
[18:14:38] <zinid> I'm of a little help here 🙂
[18:14:43] <raver> no prob
[18:15:03] <raver> I'll change my desktop client if it is too worse
[18:15:24] <raver> converse.js is running too and dinoIM does not look bad and is installed too
[18:15:25] <zinid> ha, that might be the transport problem, so don't be too optimistic 😀
[18:15:41] <raver> but I began to get used to gajim... :/
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[18:17:27] <raver> dino is WAY better...
[18:17:49] <raver> no cpu usage on client AND server
[18:17:55] <raver> something weird in gajim...
[18:18:14] <zinid> worth investigating and reporting a bug, if you're not lazy today 🙂
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[18:49:07] <raver> is this supported by ejabberd?
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0258.html
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[18:50:32] <raver> hmpf and dino has no systray support 🙁
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[19:59:38] <raver> biboumi is to old
[19:59:54] <raver> is there an up to date repo for ubuntu 18.04?
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[20:15:11] <zinid> > is this supported by ejabberd?
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0258.html
raver: no, I think that's a client feature
[20:15:56] <zinid> raver: there is up-to-date repo for Debian, not sure about Ubuntu
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[20:16:44] <raver> hmm for all ubuntu versions but mine... 18.04 has an old version 😕
https://repology.org/project/biboumi/versions
[20:17:05] <zinid> ah, you meant biboumi...
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[20:17:30] <zinid> you're better off asking this in the corresponding room
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[20:17:47] <raver> yep
[20:17:49] <zinid> I am clueless, I don't run biboumi
[20:18:12] <raver> holger mentioned it as irc bridge works pretty well beside this issue...
[20:18:25] <raver> and it should be fixed in current version
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[20:24:10] <Licaon_Kter> raver: `etop` is part of `erlang-observer`
[20:24:25] <Licaon_Kter> F-me...
[20:24:40] <raver> thanks
[20:24:41] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im:443/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/pdoXrVrJe5ki7noMQgwffBX4h9IQoDWYjFXx0Stz/Screenshot_TermBot_20190402-232259.png
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[21:41:28] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: it's a RFC now, fix it!
Where's Neustradamus when you need him/her?
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8555
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[21:42:57] <Neustradamus> Licaon_Kter: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/1969 ^^
[21:43:17] <raver> https://launchpad.net/~giroll/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
here you can get biboumi 8.3 for ubuntu 18.04
[21:43:24] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah yeah, again....what do *you* find lacking? Neustradamus
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[21:45:04] <Neustradamus> Licaon_Kter: This PR from GSoC 2017.
[21:45:25] <Licaon_Kter> Neustradamus: wrong answer
[21:45:38] <Neustradamus> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/1969#issuecomment-331558182
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