Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Saturday, April 13, 2019< ^ >
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[18:29:53] <zinid> now Tigase devs comment on ejabberd related questions on StackOverflow to try Tigase instead
[18:37:01] <erik> who splits up their dev tree by programming language?!
[18:37:05] <erik> (Tigase did)
[18:37:15] <erik> that's...
[18:37:17] <erik> plain weird.
[18:37:29] <erik> (and the StackOverflow thingy isn't exactly acceptable.
[18:37:30] <erik> )
[18:40:41] <zinid> erik, what do you mean? how did they split their dev tree? they use something except Jabba?
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[18:43:49] <erik> zinid, on this page: https://tigase.tech/projects/tigase-server/repository
I clicked open the path src>main
and found a list of programming languages before finding actual code.
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[18:44:15] <erik> that surely suggests they ordered their source code by technology instead of by solution, no?
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[18:46:26] <zinid> yeah, that's weird
[18:48:14] <erik> Although I still have trouble reading Erlang code, meaning that I could probably develop faster in Java, I really wonder if Java is the platform which provides the fastest/most optimized xmpp experience
[18:48:36] <erik> (which is what they seem to suggest by comparing themselves to ejabberd)
[18:49:24] <zinid> 800Mb at start is the optimized experience?
[18:49:45] <erik> heh. my ejabberd server doesn't even *have* that much memory.
[18:49:53] <erik> I have no idea.
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[18:50:13] <erik> I've been extremely happy with ejabberd.
[18:50:18] <erik> never used anything else.
[18:50:51] <erik> tried hacking it, but so far, it's been too steep to learn.
[18:52:20] <zinid> yeah, you shouldn't šŸ™‚ I'm biased of course, but when you compare features and stability of competing servers, you'll find the same level, best case
[18:53:12] <erik> I found the http_upload feature which Holger developed quickly after the xep was published a great experience.
[18:53:23] <Licaon_Kter> Still can't join their support MUC....still can't start their server on my RPi1, but hey.....PR....right?
[18:53:24] <zinid> the only problem is Erlang, I understand that (in the sense of adoption, not as a language per task)
[18:54:05] <erik> especially because jabber.at people packaged it as soon as it became available.
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[18:54:20] <erik> for me Erlang is a hurdle for contribution, not for use.
[18:54:23] <zinid> and by the way, I always help with hacking ejabberd in this conference, people just hesitate asking questions or something
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[18:54:49] <erik> even more: I think that most C software -- although perfectly readable for me -- should probably have been written in other languages.
[18:55:40] <erik> zinid, thanks for the offer, but with over 20 years of Common Lisp and other languages in my experience, I'm still a novice at Erlang.
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[18:56:02] <erik> I'd be asking questions here with respect to hacking ejabberd, not novice Erlang.
[18:56:24] <erik> (although if there's a novice Erlang XMPP channel, I'd happily join)
[18:56:29] <zinid> why Erlang is hard for you after Lisp? o_O
[18:56:46] <zinid> I think you can ask novice Erlang questions here
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[18:57:38] <erik> :-) I think the problem is not the language, but more the library. I simply have too few concepts from the standard library available to write anything useful.
[18:57:58] <zinid> yeah, OTP is monster
[18:57:58] <erik> but thanks! I'll remember to come here and ask my Erlang questions too.
[18:58:19] <zinid> but it's a monster for the reason - because the underlying task is complex...
[18:58:32] <zinid> concurrency is hard
[18:58:48] <erik> yes. and a programmer needs all the help he/she can get.
[18:59:08] <erik> so I understand the reason, but that doesn't make it a quicker learning experience.
[18:59:17] <zinid> whatever, don't fuck around, just ask the question šŸ™‚
[19:01:08] <erik> will do! thanks!
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