Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Sunday, April 14, 2019< ^ >
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[15:33:27] <Holger> !version jabber.fu-berlin.de
[15:33:27] <Servant> Holger: jabber.fu-berlin.de is running ejabberd version 19.02.56-ZEDAT on unix/linux 4.9.0
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[15:49:30] <flow> erik, that is standard layout for maven (and gradle) based projects
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[15:49:37] <flow> and sensible IMHO
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[15:53:53] <erik> flow, why would technology matter at all? There's a reason file extensions aren't used to trigger interpreters on Unix.
[15:54:33] <erik> we should feel free to mix technologies when creating solutions, without being required to spread the code across different directories of a file tree.
[15:54:40] <flow> erik, different technology/languages impose a differnt directory structure for example
[15:55:02] <flow> and just because they are separeted on the filesystem does not mean that they are not mixed
[15:55:16] <flow> e.g. code in src/main/scala could call code in src/main/java and vice versa
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[16:12:00] <erik> Sure.
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[16:13:11] <erik> Now there is one admin solution in their codebase with code spread over python java and scala.
[16:14:05] <erik> That is far from ideal and makes it unnecessarily hard to grasp the code base for newcomers.
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[18:15:26] <reset> Use all the langs
[18:15:30] <reset> Else its a failure
[18:16:06] <reset> Who uses only a single lang for a prod/poject in 2019 wtf
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[19:03:48] <zinid> reset: yeah, but what's the reason to use python along with PHP and Ruby? what the fuck?
[19:04:35] <zinid> how are those languages different???
[19:05:46] <erik> my thoughts exactly.
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[19:06:22] <erik> and definitely no reason to separate any code out by the language. maybe by library-being-implemented or problem-being-solved.
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[19:09:19] <rom1dep> is there any code at all? looks more like POC
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[19:17:16] <zinid> erik: using a particular language to solve a problem? that's not how modern IT works 😂
[19:17:58] <erik> zinid, :-) lol. most problems are solved using Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V indeed!
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[20:57:03] <reset> > zinid, :-) lol. most problems are solved using Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V indeed!
Hey why is this bad??
[20:57:09] <reset> ( 😅 )
[20:57:12] <reset> erik
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[20:58:15] <erik> reset, because most of the time any true problem analysis and well designed test cases are missing -- at least, that's my experience in corporate code development.
[20:58:32] <erik> (internal products; not stuff that gets released)
[20:58:35] <reset> Ctrl c ctrl v till it works
[20:58:41] <erik> yup.
[20:58:46] <erik> that's how it's done.
[20:58:52] <erik> (not how it *should* be done)
[20:58:57] <reset> Gains work time, joy, and knowledge lol
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[21:00:18] <reset> For example, if zinid or holger (dunno actually whos responsible) didnt post the fix for the muc listing and which file to edit i wouldnt be able to ctrl-c/v to fix their fuckup
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[21:01:14] <reset> (I mean for the webadmin)
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[21:02:22] <erik> sure. however, most devs don't get much further than "npm install" of some library that adds 5 useful lines (and 600 lines of boiler plate and npm package information)
[21:02:34] <reset> And to be honest most of my knowledge (any lang) comes from editing/f* with ready made code (ctlc/v) than from college projects
[21:02:43] <erik> and then C-c/C-v-ing some StackOverflow code.
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[21:03:28] <erik> I got most of my knowledge by sitting next to a great senior coder and listening very well to what he had to tell.
[21:03:38] <erik> (and a lot of tinkering myself)
[21:04:06] <reset> > I got most of my knowledge by sitting next to a great senior coder and listening very well to what he had to tell.
I would need gallons of alcohol or a gun to do that
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[21:04:26] <reset> I have little to no patience 🙂
[21:04:49] <reset> > (and a lot of tinkering myself)
This, accepted
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[21:06:03] <reset> Book examples, web tutorials or college projects gain you only the nude-basics
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[21:09:02] <reset> Btw i saw earlier a !version bot , is it only for ops or?
[21:09:10] <reset> !version katadikos.gr
[21:09:11] <Servant> reset: katadikos.gr is running ejabberd version 19.02.
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[21:09:36] <reset> Guuud guud fixed the hide os too
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[21:12:06] <reset> Servant: bring me a beer slave
[21:12:06] <Servant> reset are we being invaded?
[21:12:22] <reset> Servant: not yet, thats why i ask for a beer
[21:12:22] <Servant> reset only you can prevent forest fires!
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[21:12:34] <reset> I know..
[21:12:40] <reset> Its dumb though
[21:12:52] <mightyBroccoli> reset: if you can tell me where this is from you get one internet point.
[21:13:36] <reset> What *this* (and keep yoir internet point, i have enough)
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[21:13:57] <mightyBroccoli> I mean the repsonses from the bot 😂
[21:14:14] <reset> Dunno, some star wars or sth
[21:14:26] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> mightyBroccoli stil luling around?
[21:14:29] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> !issue 1234
[21:14:32] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> meh...
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[21:14:56] <reset> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: hmm i smell some hate or
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[21:15:28] <mightyBroccoli> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: the issue Plugin is in the works I had some other things to take care of.
[21:15:40] <reset> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: btw your hat pfp isnt visible
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[21:16:08] <reset> mightyBroccoli: work slave, work
[21:16:27] <reset> "We" need xmpp on top of everything
[21:17:02] <mightyBroccoli> > mightyBroccoli: work slave, work
That's the spirit.
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[21:49:10] <reset> Honest question: is there a way to pass throu irc to xmpp? Eg, for a specific serv/channel
[21:49:33] <reset> And use my account from xmpp to read/respond
[21:50:14] <reset> Should i set up a bnc i guess, but then? :|
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[22:06:55] <mightyBroccoli> reset: https://biboumi.louiz.org/
[22:07:13] <reset> Thnx
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[22:49:35] <raver> And don't forget https://lab.louiz.org/louiz/biboumi/blob/8.3/doc/biboumi.1.rst#persistent-by-default should prevent headaches with lots of reconnects
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