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[08:38:22] <Holger> Apart from the timeout issue (#2893), does `ejabberdctl register` currently work if `mod_register` is loaded with `access: none`?
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[08:44:43] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: so screw SCRAM? https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sullivan-tls-opaque-00
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[08:45:54] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Holger `Error: cannot_register`
[08:46:03] <Holger> Sigh.
[08:46:57] <Holger> For #2893 my quick hack (yay) would be to not apply the timeout for localhost addresses, but I think this needs to be fixed anyway.
[08:47:12] <Holger> No idea how.  The mod_register config should be used, but it should not be used!
[08:47:44] <zinid> yeah, I have also no clean solution
[08:48:32] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], why?
[08:48:41] <Holger> Servers who want to permit only password change via IBR will have `access: none`.  So I'll take bets on how long it takes them to show up in your tracker.
[08:48:56] <Holger> s/your/our/ :-)
[08:51:00] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> > Servers who want to permit only password change via IBR will have `access: none`
Why would you say that? Why would they do that?
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[08:53:15] <Holger> Because `access` controls actual registration but not password change.  So you forbid registration that way while allowing users to change their passwords.  (Doing that on my university server.)
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[08:54:06] <Holger> Public servers who only offer web registration often do the same.  I guess their web registration will break as well.
[08:54:37] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> And what's the problem to allow `127.0.0.1` in your cas?
[08:54:42] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> And what's the problem to allow `127.0.0.1` in your case?
[08:55:32] <Holger> Via ip_access?
[08:56:13] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> yes
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[08:56:21] <Holger> Both `access` _and_ `ip_access` must allow registration, otherwise it'll be denied.
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[08:58:13] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> And why do you need `access: none` enforced since you can control by `ip`?
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[09:03:14] <Holger> Yeah that might work.  Except right now `access: none` is special-cased in that mod_register won't announce the registration feature in that case.  (So without it, clients will show the registration form, and registration will only be rejected after the user submitted the form.)
[09:03:46] <Holger> Maybe we could hack along the lines of "announce the feature only if ip_access != localhost-only" or such crap.
[09:04:01] <Holger> Or just a separate `announce_feature` option.
[09:08:26] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> You mean this I guess: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/caas/issues/13
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[09:15:50] <Holger> Yes.  (This has come up way before, and been fixed some way, then it broke again, and the current workaround is `access: none`.)
[09:16:07] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/41
[09:17:02] <Holger> Ah `ip_access: none` will do the trick as well, but doesn't help us.
[09:17:04] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/2eb907dc7
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[11:17:25] <nz> Hi all! caas is still marking me as omemo not working, with whitelist open, any ideas?
[11:17:41] <nz> And conversations says available, and I'm currently using it
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[11:19:41] <Holger> You mean your config is forcing the node to 'open', *not* to 'whitelist', right?
[11:19:49] <Holger> Recent ejabberd version?
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[11:20:21] <Holger> Using SQL?  You didn't forget to update the schema from previous releases?
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[11:23:38] <nz> Sorry, yes, I was not specifying anything until you suggested to use "open", so I added that to all three of my nodes. Using latest version from jabber.at, 1812.1.
[11:23:52] <Holger> 'all three of your nodes'?
[11:24:04] <Holger> Ah, ejabberd nodes.
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[11:24:25] <Holger> And you're using SQL?  You didn't forget to update the schema from previous releases?
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[11:24:59] <Holger> I.e. https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/upgrade/#specific-version-upgrade-notes ...
[11:25:12] <nz> It started when I started using psql, the only migration I did was applying new_sql_schema: true and then I imported to postgres
> Using SQL?  You didn't forget to update the schema from previous releases?
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[11:25:36] <Holger> You converted data from MySQL to Postgres?
[11:25:52] <nz> > You converted data from MySQL to Postgres?
No from mnesia with the export command
[11:25:56] <Holger> Ah.
[11:26:22] <Holger> Well you could try ditching all PubSub data.
[11:26:48] <Holger> I.e. stop ejabberd, then in `psql`: `TRUNCATE pubsub_node, pubsub_node_option, pubsub_node_owner, pubsub_state, pubsub_item, pubsub_subscription_opt;`
[11:26:49] <Holger> Or so.
[11:26:54] <nz> Ok, I'll try!
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[11:27:14] <nz> Good tip for the upgrade document!
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[11:27:43] <Holger> Nah, I'm not assuming it'll help, it just won't hurt and then you ruled out DB foo.
[11:27:49] <Holger> If it doesn't help, it sounds like a question for the caas author.
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[11:28:48] <Holger> (And in theory people might have PubSub data they don't want to ditch, e.g. if they're using stuff such as Movim.)
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[11:44:09] <edhelas> it seems that I cannot enable roster management
[11:44:16] <edhelas> maybe I'm doing something wrong
[11:44:35] <edhelas> I have that in the spectrum logs
[11:44:38] <edhelas> > 2019-05-28 13:43:09,286 INFO  XMPPRosterManager: edhelas@movim.eu: This server does not allow us to modify your roster, consider enabling XEP-0321 or XEP-0356 support
[11:45:10] <edhelas> I did
[11:45:18] <edhelas> /code   mod_roster:
    versioning: true
    managers:
     - "discord.movim.eu"
     - "instagram.movim.eu"
[11:45:31] <edhelas> did I missed something ?
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[11:50:51] <edhelas> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#mod-roster the documentation seems incomplete for management 🤔
[11:52:04] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> > ... the documentation seems incomplete for...
...a lot of thing
[11:52:05] <zinid> edhelas: I think I removed that code
[11:52:11] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> > ... the documentation seems incomplete for...
...a lot of things
[11:52:12] <edhelas> wat
[11:52:38] <zinid> edhelas: use mod_delegation or mod_priviledge
[11:52:46] <zinid> it it works, lol
[11:52:54] <zinid> if it works, lol
[11:52:56] <edhelas> Licaon_Kter maybe we can replace the documentation page with Zinid JID URI
[11:53:42] <edhelas> zinid got an example doc somewhere ?
[11:54:09] <zinid> edhelas: I know nothing about docs 😁
[11:54:37] <edhelas> or paste something here :D
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[11:56:29] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> edhelas well...we'd need a direct link to his brain
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[12:04:29] <Holger> Hrm no hook to announce a MUC feature ...
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[12:37:26] <Licaon_Kter> OMG deleted 19.05 tag  (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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[13:03:02] <poVoq> Wut?
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[13:04:53] <poVoq> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/releases/tag/19.05
[13:05:05] <poVoq> Some last minute changes it seems
[13:08:01] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> I guess that offline change backfired in prod
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[13:15:39] <poVoq> Yeah "edge cases" = testing in production :)
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[13:25:10] <Holger> I don't get the new code.
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[14:43:27] <zinid> Holger, what code exactly?
[14:44:17] <Holger> zinid: prefiks' `use_mam_for_storage`.
[14:44:31] <Holger> Whatever.  I could look closer if I were more motivated :-)
[14:45:01] <zinid> sure, that code should not exist
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[14:45:27] <Holger> mod_offline shouldn't exist :-)
[14:46:11] <Holger> As long as it does, it doesn't seem insane to use a single message store for both MAM and offline, to me.
[14:46:40] <Holger> It's just that staring at the code for three minutes won't do the trick for me.
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[14:48:20] <zinid> if you want a single store for mam and offline both module should be rewritten
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[14:51:00] <Holger> Yeah probably.
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[15:04:46] <Licaon_Kter> This separation baffled me too when setting up....when MAM came along why wasn't offline depreciated?
[15:06:15] <Holger> You mean the XEP?
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[15:10:52] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: the XEP the module the whatnot
[15:11:14] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Well the module is obviously needed for backwards compat.
[15:11:18] <Holger> We're not Matrix!
[15:11:46] <Holger> The XEP is just 'Informational' or something as there's not really any protocol to standardize.
[15:12:13] <zinid> there is best practice or something (for offline)
[15:12:20] <Holger> That's what I mean.
[15:12:21] <zinid> and also flexible offline XEP 🙂
[15:12:23] <Holger> 0160
[15:12:26] <Holger> Heh, right.
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[15:15:00] <Licaon_Kter> Compat I understand, but somehow MAM could cover offline had, if it's yet another "storage on server" mechanism
But whatever....XSF knows best
[15:15:13] <Licaon_Kter> Compat I understand, but somehow MAM could cover what offline had, if it's yet another "storage on server" mechanism
But whatever....XSF knows best
[15:15:17] <Holger> Always.
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[15:18:35] <Licaon_Kter> >  This means that all messages ... will be stored on the server... Thus it is very similar to how email works.
vs
> Compatible XMPP clients can use it to store their chat history on the server.
oh so much different
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[15:24:26] <Holger> It's POP3 vs. IMAP.
[15:24:35] <Holger> Dovecot uses the same store for both :-)
[15:25:33] <Holger> Probably rather SMTP vs. IMAP.
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[15:53:27] <prefiks> Holger: that recent change made it store first offline message in spool (store only if there is no stored messages), and there was already code from previous version that did take timestamp from message and do mam query based on that timestamp
[15:56:10] <Holger> prefiks: Ah, now I get it, thanks.
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[17:08:27] <nz> > (And in theory people might have PubSub data they don't want to ditch, e.g. if they're using stuff such as Movim.)
Yeah, it's not ideal but if that works it's still a very acceptable solution.
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[17:16:51] <nz> > I.e. stop ejabberd, then in `psql`: `TRUNCATE pubsub_node, pubsub_node_option, pubsub_node_owner, pubsub_state, pubsub_item, pubsub_subscription_opt;`
That worked! Exactly as you typed. Must have been an issue migrating to psql then!
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[17:26:04] <Holger> 👍
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[17:29:30] <Holger> prefiks: Then you no longer need the `first_from_queue` thing in mod_stream_mgmt, right?
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[19:24:40] <nz> I've noticed over time that in a cluster of three nodes, where every node has itself as the http_uploads server and endpoint [node 1 has xh01.domain.tld, node 2 has xh02.domain.tld, and so on], clients connected to all three nodes will often use the same server for http_uploads regardless of the config, so for instance clients connected to node 1 will use http_uploads on xh01, but clients on node 2 will still use xh01 even though node 2 tells clients to use xh02 in its config, and even clients connected to node 3 will use xh01. Does ejabberd do some kind of load balancing or other trickery to establish which node is best suited for http_uploads?
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[19:26:33] <nz> Also, if in the above example node 1 goes down, I've noticed that, after clients connected to node 2 reconnect, they might start using http_uploads on xh03 instead of xh01, so clearly the server is telling them something it seems, as they have preexisting knowledge that xh01 is down, if my analysis is correct.
[19:27:25] <nz> By reconnect I mean "I manually disabled the account on the client and re-enabled it to force a reconnect to node 2" In this specific case
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[19:50:13] <Licaon_Kter> @nz Didn't you speak about split http_upload before? Weren't you warned that, since the URL is hardcoded if a node is down files will not be available?
Eg. Maybe a load balancer/proxy thing in front is better, use one single address xh.domain.tld and backstage (r)sync files on the nodes.
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[20:05:57] <nz> > @nz Didn't you speak about split http_upload before? Weren't you warned that, since the URL is hardcoded if a node is down files will not be available?
> Eg. Maybe a load balancer/proxy thing in front is better, use one single address xh.domain.tld and backstage (r)sync files on the nodes.
That is exactly what I'm planning to do and my next point of research, but first I was trying to understand if ejab already does this sort of thing and make sure that whatever I do ends up being better
[20:06:26] <nz> And not instead losing functionality like magic database clustering as happens with mnesia ;]
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[20:11:14] <nz> I was thinking of a shared syncthing folder for near real time replication and then nginx with that magic rule to look on another node if a specific file isn't already present on that specific node, and then using haproxy in front should nginx on that node be down for any reason, what do you think? I still have to read those links to someone's nginx config for http_upload done with nginx, but I think these questions are valid nonetheless.
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[20:33:52] <Licaon_Kter> These 2 lines of config? https://gist.github.com/licaon-kter/54d4656cc753b98e1dc0d81a59a73faa
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[20:40:12] <Holger> nz: There's no built-in magic at all. mod_http_upload just hands out whatever put_url/get_url you configured to the client, that's it.
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[22:40:09] <raver> is xep-0258 supported by ejabberd? and if so which module do I have to enable?
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[22:56:32] <zinid> raver: no it doesn't
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