Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, May 29, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[05:40:42] <Licaon_Kter> debalance: backports stalling? jabber.at stalling? Wtf?
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[05:57:55] <Holger> Backports stalling because Debian testing is frozen.
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[06:03:58] <Licaon_Kter> Oh....that...
[06:04:34] <Licaon_Kter> https://github.com/siacs/Conversations/issues/3470
I've pinged the server admin and they might end up compiling
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[06:11:39] <debalance> Licaon_Kter‎: I'm too busy to package ejabberd for Debian experimental (testing is frozen, so uploads to unstable are unwanted), I intend to pick up packaging again once Debian Buster is released. stretch-backports won't get a newer version anyway, I could only upload newer versions to stretch-backports-sloppy and buster-backports.
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[07:28:08] <cromain> hello, 19.05 was finally tagged yesterday. As you may have noticed the inital tag was removed. you should remove your local tag in your local clone before pulling latest code.
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[07:28:39] <cromain> sorry for convenience, some last minutes fixes/adjusments was needed
[07:29:31] <Licaon_Kter> cromain: in-convenience ;)
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[07:38:51] <nz> > nz: There's no built-in magic at all. mod_http_upload just hands out whatever put_url/get_url you configured to the client, that's it.
So why is it that a client connected to node 2 that in its config has xh02 ends up connecting to xh01, only if that node is online, otherwise it uses xh03, and only sometimes does it actually use xh02?
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[07:42:37] <nz> > These 2 lines of config? https://gist.github.com/licaon-kter/54d4656cc753b98e1dc0d81a59a73faa
Yes that's one of the docs I have open on my to do list
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[07:47:10] <Holger> > So why is it that a client connected to node 2 that in its config has xh02 ends up connecting to xh01
This is the type of issue that should be trivial to track down for the admin with local access but a pain in the ass to do over a chat room :-P
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[11:31:49] <Holger> > We also plan to release an open-source server (ejabberd fork) that will support this. [Andrew Nenakhov]
[11:31:51] <Holger> Yay new fork.
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[11:34:53] <Licaon_Kter> Instead of making a damn module? F that
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[11:41:27] <marevalo> > Yay new fork.
What is "this" ?
[11:42:16] <Licaon_Kter> https://mobile.twitter.com/Xabber_XMPP/status/1118949948446400512
[11:42:23] <flow> meravalo see the recent post on the @standards mailing list
[11:42:26] <Holger> Some 'Inbox'-like feature.
[11:42:30] <Holger> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-May/036129.html
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[11:42:39] <Licaon_Kter> Not that MUC replacement?
[11:43:01] <flow> No
[11:43:19] <Holger> I would've guessed it'll include that as well, but what do I know.
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[11:47:43] <Licaon_Kter> They're hyping that one for 3 years already :(
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[11:50:14] <Licaon_Kter> Also, I don't really get the inbox thing, ok, you ditch the roster and have a big chats view? I'd find it annoying (never saw it, maybe it's great when I'll use it)...since I like to trim open chats to only the essentials...but then again maybe I'm OCD or smth
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[11:52:18] <flow> Licaon_Kter, you have to differentiate between the protocol and the UI aspects
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[11:53:02] <flow> from a protocol pov inbox appears to be very helpful for clients to decide which conversations have new activity, so that they may fetch those messages via MAM
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[11:54:28] <Licaon_Kter> flow: ok...yes, but...that's useless if the UI isn't helping *me*
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[11:54:51] <Licaon_Kter> I agree with what you've said, not sure why you've said it...
[11:55:36] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: basically putting more shit on server because client developers are retards
[11:56:37] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I think the main idea is basically to have you list of conversations (i.e. the main view in Conversations) synced, i.e. the chronological order and the (number of) unread messages.
[11:56:51] <Holger> As 90% of the users just use a single client it won't make a difference for them.
[11:57:54] <Holger> And yes then there's the issue flow mentioned which is unrelated to multi-device sync, i.e. efficient retrieval of unread counts.
[11:58:14] <nz> > This is the type of issue that should be trivial to track down for the admin with local access but a pain in the ass to do over a chat room :-P
Ok, it really seemed intentional, and I'm sure the config is correct, interesting
[11:58:37] <nz> > Licaon_Kter: I think the main idea is basically to have you list of conversations (i.e. the main view in Conversations) synced, i.e. the chronological order and the (number of) unread messages.
> As 90% of the users just use a single client it won't make a difference for them.
You mean like matrix ;]
[11:59:32] <Holger> Yes they have that synced.
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[12:00:09] <Holger> Not sure they have unread counts.
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[12:01:59] <zinid> they support delta states so probably yes, they have
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[12:02:22] <zinid> you can derive it from initial delta exchange typically
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[13:11:25] <marevalo> > As 90% of the users just use a single client it won't make a difference for them.
Do you think only less than 10% use a web or desktop version in parallel to the mobile one? I would not use any system without that option (because of real keyboards)
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[13:12:39] <Holger> Well that's about the number on the public servers I'm involved with.  On my university's server it's more desktop users as many use it in the office.
[13:13:56] <Holger> And even on the public servers the number of desktop users will be slightly larger as I'm only comparing the number of online devices with the number of online users.  The former is about 10% more.  But some people might be using multiple devices without having them connect in parallel, of course.
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[13:15:05] <marevalo> Thanks, having real data is better than opinions
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[13:16:21] <Holger> > I would not use any system without that option (because of real keyboards)
Me neither, and that's reason enough to have proper device sync for me, but we're obviously a minority by now.
[13:16:58] <marevalo> About inbox I don't care about open conversations but would really like to have unreads
[13:17:10] <Holger> Same here.
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[13:25:32] <flow> Licaon_Kter, I merely wanted to point out that the discussion currently (and usually) mostly revolves around the protocol, not the UI
[13:25:48] <flow> Licaon_Kter, btw, did you see my message in #fdroid?
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[13:29:39] <zinid> oh, I have read that Dave's thread in standards@
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[13:44:06] <Licaon_Kter> flow: I just escaped the Matrix Bridge of Death, won't be going there soon... so no,..what message?
[13:45:18] <Licaon_Kter> flow: I understand, great talk about the protocol...but
> basically putting more shit on server because client developers are retards
This ^^^ since whatever you do with the protocol is nice and all but if the UI is dumb it won't be saved
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[13:47:16] <Holger> I open a web client and want to see my current conversations with proper unread counts.  I do see how implementing this sucks client-side, with the current protocol.
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[13:49:53] <Holger> I mean even if you ignore multi-device sync (and the case where the web client has no local state).  If you want to do it properly, you must do a full MAM sync since last time you logged out to show accurate counters.
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[14:08:21] <flow> Licaon_Kter[m]2: anything I can do to get https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/merge_requests/4898 merged?
[14:08:33] <flow> Licaon_Kter, ^ note that the presence is still in #fdroid
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[14:09:52] <Licaon_Kter> > Licaon_Kter[m]2: note that the presence is still in #fdroid
How many users did Matrix brag they have? Yeah.....moar VC funds naw!!!!!
[14:10:24] <Licaon_Kter> flow: oh, right...you and you effing 35 apps...  (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[14:10:34] <Licaon_Kter> *your
[14:10:51] <Licaon_Kter> Will take a look asap...  😒
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[14:16:00] <zinid> > and the case where the web client has no local state
I honestly don't give a fuck to the webshits problems
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[14:16:31] <zinid> they designed a completely booked technology, that's their problem now
[14:16:40] <zinid> they designed a completely borked technology, that's their problem now
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[15:30:42] <edhelas> ok I'll try to upgrade ejabberd soon :D
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[15:36:54] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: didn't you need to fork ejabberd too for "reactions"?  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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[15:39:18] <edhelas> you mean ejabmovim ?
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[15:39:31] <edhelas> recoding all this erlang code in PHP takes time !
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[21:31:49] <poVoq> > ok I'll try to upgrade ejabberd soon :D
Movim MIX support incoming ;)
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[21:58:54] <poVoq> And apparently they also work on a react native ?    Mobile client for iOS and Android.
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