Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, August 19, 2019< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[17:09:34] <jonny> hmm is it normal that when I'm connected to both ejabberd instances wih one account (both serve the same domain via SRV record), that the external mucs are only visible to the clients connected to the same single instance? (I don't see any member in the muc rooms with clients connected to the other instance..)
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[17:11:44] <Licaon_Kter> How do you select the instance in client?
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[17:12:21] <jonny> with converse.js you connect to the websocket service to a single instance for example
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[17:12:46] <jonny> and reconnecting in pixart/conversations seems to pick sometimes the fallback instance
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[17:12:56] <jonny> or if you switch off one and turn it on afterwards 😃
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[17:13:23] <Licaon_Kter> LoL
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[17:16:28] <jonny> you've got a very complex piece of software.. really appreciate your work and can Imagine the headaches you must had to get ejabberd to what it is 🙂
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[17:21:14] <jonny> with internal muc's which is created on the domain which is served by the two instances there is no problem by the way
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[17:49:35] <reset> lick em more jonny
[17:49:52] <reset> And its complex coz they are retarded
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[18:33:16] <jonny> ? It's complex cause you've got nearly all problems that exist or I'm aware of in programming, Involed in intentional real time messaging worth multi server/device support
[18:33:16] <jonny> *International
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[18:55:04] <ChaosKid42> jonny: both instances are in the same cluster?
[18:55:57] <jonny> No cause they are not on the same lan
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[18:56:52] <jonny> I just cloned the postgresql db and config and added additional srv records
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[18:58:18] <ChaosKid42> Ok. I had a similar problem with ejabberd 19.05. MUCs where only visible on one of three cluster nodes.
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[18:59:25] <ChaosKid42> But they where on the same LAN and clustered. And those were local MUCs. So only somewhat similar to your scenario.
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[19:00:41] <max> I wonder how it even could operate as supposed without a proper cluster.
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[19:02:32] <ChaosKid42> From https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/ :
> This module supports clustering and load balancing. One module can be started per cluster node. Rooms are distributed at creation time on all available MUC module instances. The multi-user chat module is clustered but the rooms themselves are not clustered nor fault-tolerant: if the node managing a set of rooms goes down, the rooms disappear and they will be recreated on an available node on first connection attempt.
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[19:14:38] <Holger> > I just cloned the postgresql db and config and added additional srv records
Oh. That won't work of course.
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[19:58:58] <jonny> Thx I will study the docs 🙂
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[22:10:49] <jonny> Holger: but clustering over wan is still a bad idea bandaid the cluster connection is not  secure right?
[22:11:03] <jonny> That's even worth my irc bridge the case
[22:11:08] <jonny> With
[22:11:38] <jonny> *because
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