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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, August 20, 2019< ^ >
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[03:12:24] <absolutebeginner> Hello
[03:12:41] <absolutebeginner> I get an error when trying to install on Ubuntu
[03:13:00] <absolutebeginner> Error 1
[03:13:16] <absolutebeginner> I am using SSH and MS Azure.
[03:14:12] <absolutebeginner> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-0PKder/45-ejabberd_18.01-2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
new ejabberd package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
Selecting previously unselected package libsctp1:amd64.
Preparing to unpack .../46-libsctp1_1.0.17+dfsg-2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libsctp1:amd64 (1.0.17+dfsg-2) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-0PKder/45-ejabberd_18.01-2_amd64.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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[03:14:41] <absolutebeginner> This is when I do sudo apt-get install ejabberd
[03:14:53] <absolutebeginner> And adding -f does not fix it
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[04:10:45] <reset> Perfect
[04:11:11] <reset> Thats how its supposed to work, absolutebeginner
[04:11:27] <absolutebeginner> It is supposed to give an error?
[04:11:33] <reset> Yes
[04:11:38] <absolutebeginner> Really?
[04:11:45] <reset> 100%
[04:12:13] <absolutebeginner> Holy heck, I've been trobleshooting for days
[04:12:34] <reset> Ehm and you didnt have a problem at all
[04:12:54] <absolutebeginner> ...
[04:12:59] <reset> 🙃
[04:13:20] <absolutebeginner> Well, now that it is working I guess
[04:13:31] <reset> Anyway, ask zinid or Holger
[04:13:32] <absolutebeginner> Where do I do setup and stuff
[04:13:45] <absolutebeginner> Who?
[04:13:55] <reset> Hm
[04:16:03] <absolutebeginner> Like, where are the cfg files?
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[04:31:43] <absolutebeginner> I now have a diffrent errer
[04:31:46] <absolutebeginner> Error
[04:32:15] <absolutebeginner> After reinstalling, If I try sudo service ejabberd start
[04:32:47] <absolutebeginner> It gives an error "Unit ejabberd.service not found"
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[04:38:53] <reset> Thats correct, thats how its supposed to work
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[05:09:32] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: try a Debian VM pls
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[05:27:04] <absolutebeginner> I wish, can't afford another Azure VM
[05:27:27] <absolutebeginner> Before you ask "Why not locally?"
[05:28:22] <absolutebeginner> Azure uses thier own branch of the Ubuntu archives, so I probably would not be able to replicate it.
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[05:42:47] <Holger> jonny:
> clustering over wan is still a bad idea
Sure, but it sounds like you now have multiple instances which don't see each other running and reachable in parallel?
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[05:48:49] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: why try that old version? Wh't Ubuntu version?
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[05:52:05] <absolutebeginner> Ver 18 Ubuntu
[05:53:14] <Licaon_Kter> 18.xx ?
[05:53:30] <absolutebeginner> Yeah
[05:53:47] <Licaon_Kter> Latest ejabberd is 19.08, where did you try to install from? Website? Ubuntu repos?
[05:54:37] <absolutebeginner> Ubuntu repos, I've tried Wget to the site, but it seems inefficient for every update.
[05:55:06] <absolutebeginner> 18.04 to be exact
[05:57:15] <Licaon_Kter> Ok, the thing is 18.01 is 1 1/2 years old, you won't get help, things have changed.
[05:59:17] <absolutebeginner> It is still the Ubuntu stable branch
[05:59:35] <absolutebeginner> Only recently was it changed to LTS
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[06:03:02] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: I was not talking about Ubuntu support, this is not the Ubuntu group...
[06:03:16] <absolutebeginner> Oh,
[06:03:23] <absolutebeginner> That makes more sense
[06:03:40] <absolutebeginner> Well, how would I install ver 19 Ejabberd
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[06:07:19] <absolutebeginner> Do they have a repo link? Instead of spamming wget every few weeks.
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[06:11:04] <Licaon_Kter> Not that I know of, no
[06:13:24] <absolutebeginner> Would you recommend me to just spam when?
[06:13:28] <absolutebeginner> Wget*
[06:13:52] <absolutebeginner> Even when I did that I think I had the same problem.
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[06:21:17] <Holger> > It gives an error "Unit ejabberd.service not found"
Sounds like a packaging issue.
[06:22:18] <Holger> Here's our sample systemd unit: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/processone/ejabberd/master/ejabberd.service.template
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[06:24:10] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner:
> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-0PKder/45-ejabberd_18.01-2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
> new ejabberd package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
> Selecting previously unselected package libsctp1:amd64.
> Preparing to unpack .../46-libsctp1_1.0.17+dfsg-2_amd64.deb ...
> Unpacking libsctp1:amd64 (1.0.17+dfsg-2) ...
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-0PKder/45-ejabberd_18.01-2_amd64.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
This is *all* that you get?
[06:24:25] <Holger> You could throw that into /etc/systemd/system, then `systemctl enable ejabberd`, then `apt install ejabberd` or something. But this is not really a support room for Ubuntu/systemd basics.
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[06:25:34] <absolutebeginner> Licaon_Kter: Well, I got the normal unpacking and downloading depndinces stuff
[06:28:00] <absolutebeginner> Holger: Throw what exactly? The error?
[06:28:06] <Licaon_Kter> That error sounds strange, -f install says what?
[06:28:09] <Holger> > Here's our sample systemd unit: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/processone/ejabberd/master/ejabberd.service.template
[06:28:36] <absolutebeginner> Licaon_Kter: I tried that a long time ago
[06:28:47] <absolutebeginner> It gave the same responce
[06:29:49] <reset> Kill ur azure instance and get a debian vm from do or vultr like a normal person absolutebeginner
[06:30:08] <reset> Im sure it will cost less too.....
[06:30:18] <absolutebeginner> reset: Sadly, no deb support right?
[06:30:32] <absolutebeginner> Let me check
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[06:30:48] <absolutebeginner> Oh it does
[06:30:52] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: you should..yes
[06:30:58] <reset> The real question is WHY azure though
[06:31:10] <Licaon_Kter> Most cloud provide at least ubu, deb, centos...
[06:31:23] <absolutebeginner> If Mumble Server supports it too then I can switch
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[06:31:39] <reset> Lol sure it does
[06:31:45] <absolutebeginner> reset: Cause it costs a little less then AWS
[06:32:03] <reset> Even with a one-liner from lgsm (has mumble)
[06:32:30] <reset> absolutebeginner.... Check digitalocean or vultr
[06:32:43] <absolutebeginner> What in Vultr?
[06:32:48] <absolutebeginner> Is*
[06:32:57] <reset> Its a virus nvm
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[06:33:27] <absolutebeginner> reset: How could a VPS be a virus?
[06:33:44] <reset> SINCE U KNOW WHAT IT IS WHY THE FUCK U ASK
[06:34:05] <absolutebeginner> reset: no I dont
[06:34:10] <reset> fn sandy
[06:34:17] <absolutebeginner> I just googled it lol
[06:34:56] <absolutebeginner> Holger: Thanks, I'll try this
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[06:42:09] <absolutebeginner> I am a Linux beginner, should I still use Debian instead of Ubuntu?
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[06:50:00] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: doesn't matter then...
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[06:52:09] <jonny> Holger: you're right they don't see each other, I'm thinking of a little cron job which could check the main one for a Hartbeat and start the backup instance as needed. Our so you think I should create a cluster of them even if it has to be over wan?
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[06:52:52] <Holger> jonny: If all you have is a WAN I think you should do neither 🙂
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[06:54:07] <Holger> jonny: Chances are good you'll introduce more problems than you solve that way, compared to a single node. L
[06:54:12] <Holger> jonny: Chances are good you'll introduce more problems than you solve that way, compared to a single node.
[06:54:17] <jonny> Holger: That's what I did for now,  it was mainly for a easy migration for my users
[06:54:31] <Holger> jonny: Migration?
[06:55:10] <Holger> jonny: If the idea is a fallback node, how do you sync the SQL data?
[06:55:39] <jonny> Holger: Not really a migration I just wanted that my family could continue to use conversations during the switch of the servers
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[06:56:08] <Holger> jonny: What switch? You're moving from one server to another?
[06:56:18] <jonny> Holger: yep
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[06:56:44] <jonny> Holger: That worked flawlessly
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[06:57:08] <Holger> jonny: "flawlessly"?  Aren't we discussing this because you ran into the MUC issue? :-)
[06:57:45] <jonny> Holger: yes but without clustering so my fault 🙂 and using one instance is fine for me
[06:58:20] <Holger> jonny: The same issue will pop up in other contexts if some clients are connected to one of the nodes and others to the other one.  They can't communicate with each other; persistent data will become inconsistent; and so on.
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[07:00:31] <Holger> jonny: If this is really just about a one-time server move, I really wouldn'e over-engineer that move.  Just reduce the TTL of the DNS records to 300 or something, rsync the config + SQL data, shutdown the old server, update the DNS records, rsync the final state of the SQL data, start the new server.  If all goes will your downtime will be <= 5 minutes.
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[07:00:51] <Holger> *goes well
[07:01:48] <jonny> Holger: yes you're right that was what I did. And clustering indeed feels over engineered for 10 users 😁
[07:02:12] <jonny> Holger: many thanks for your help, have a great day
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[14:17:00] <absolutebeginner> Does Debian's PKG manager use the latest Ejabberd ver?
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[14:38:43] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: debian buster can use the testing repo version that's already at 19.05 or you could try the process-one provided DEB
[14:39:37] <absolutebeginner> What about stretch?
[14:39:37] <absolutebeginner> Deb 9
[14:41:55] <Licaon_Kter> You could try, see what deps it wants
[14:43:40] <absolutebeginner> Okay, thank you for all the help
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[14:46:20] <Holger> If it doesn't work, there's 18.12.1 in the stretch-backports repository.
[14:46:42] <Holger> But I would upgrade to buster anyway, if possible.
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[14:59:59] <absolutebeginner> Can I update the OS to a whole new version like that?
[15:00:14] <absolutebeginner> On the cloud.
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[15:07:54] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: should be possible, if not, purge and retry ;)
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[15:08:26] <Holger> absolutebeginner: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
[15:08:42] <absolutebeginner> Awesome, I thought I was stuck with a bunch of LTS crud.
[15:08:52] <absolutebeginner> Thanks
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[15:16:04] <absolutebeginner> Oh before I do that, I tried to install locally just to experiment a min ago. On the Ubuntu app 18.04 LTS, installs flawlessly. Anybody have any ideas why?
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[15:19:03] <absolutebeginner> My guess is that the package for MS got corrupted or something. Azure uses their own subdomain for packages azure.archives.ubuntu.org instead of archives.ubuntu.org
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[15:36:42] <Licaon_Kter> absolutebeginner: CDNs lol
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[15:43:26] <absolutebeginner> CDNs?
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[15:45:01] <absolutebeginner> Ah
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[15:46:23] <absolutebeginner> Do you think my theory has any ground to it?
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[15:51:55] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe
[15:52:25] <absolutebeginner> Cause they are both mostly stock VMs.
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[21:31:50] <nz> > Holger: but clustering over wan is still a bad idea bandaid the cluster connection is not  secure right?
> That's even worth my irc bridge the case
> With
I cluster over WAN on servers 8ms apart and it works fantastically well. They don't have VPNs or anything, literally over 0.0.0.0. Good question about the security of how they connect. Anyone could let us know?
[21:33:31] <nz> Holger I've read about your concerns about clustering over WAN but i have never encountered errors, of course I don't have any monitoring tools active yet so this is based on my experience as an admin [reading logs] and as a user of my own server. Also, I know for a fact that the cluster has never partitioned or else I would get an email notification [and it would force resync automatically]
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[21:35:32] <nz> jonny: i don't agree that a cluster is over engineered for 10 users if A] they actually use the service and B] you want to let them know that XMPP is a valid alternative and C] you don't want them falling back to Telegram the first time an apt upgrade goes wrong on your server
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