Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[04:00:05] <n0vajay05> Hello. I'm working on my own ejabberd server at the moment, hosting on ubuntu. Just thought I would say hello and check out this channel while building it.
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[04:32:16] <ϑ> Is there an easy way to convert from the old database scheme to the new one?
[04:33:49] <ϑ> I'm using MySQL/MariaDB
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[04:40:48] <Licaon_Kter> ϑ: scroll above...work in progress
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[04:49:42] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: By the way I got my Hands on RPi 4, 4 GB version...
[04:50:12] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: you lucky SOB, did they fix the production?
[04:50:19] <Alacer> I will have it delivered today...
[04:50:36] <Alacer> I believe so...
[04:51:08] <Licaon_Kter> Keep us posted.
What's the plan? Server? Desktop replacement?
[04:51:53] <Alacer> It from vilros and CabaKit you could order...
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[04:52:17] <Alacer> Probably Server Internal... let me push it to limits...
[04:52:40] <Alacer> But I grabbed it from amazon... 4GB is still listed there
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[05:08:27] <zinid> Alacer, what does it cost? (without shipping)
[05:09:43] <Alacer> Full kit with FAN Sd Card Reader SD Card Power Supply,  tranaparent case and Micro HDMI Cable.. All 99$... @ amazon.com
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[05:16:41] <Licaon_Kter> Not bad
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[05:19:53] <Licaon_Kter> Still a 5 weeks lead time here locally
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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[05:23:07] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: Where you located???
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[05:23:25] <Licaon_Kter> Eastern Europe
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[05:38:46] <jonny> Licaon_Kter: what about this one? Works perfectly well for me 🙂
https://www.pine64.org/devices/single-board-computers/rock64/
[05:39:31] <Licaon_Kter> jonny: Can I run that with plain Debian?
[05:39:38] <jonny> Yep
[05:39:51] <jonny> Runs with armbian here
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[08:09:20] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Alacer Looks like another local distributor has RPi4/4Gb in stock
Then again, I only got the 3+ at the end of 2018 because they said there will be no version 4 before 2020, then 3 months later they released this, mtfckrs 😞
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[08:14:24] <ta> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: i would wait for a 4+ or something like that. Doesn't the Pi 4 still suffer from heat problems? So the well known Pi 3+ is a good choice for a stable server. You would not have the troubles of an early adopter.
[08:15:07] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> zinid Why am I seeing _"groupchat logging is now enabled "_ added as message to this room?
Ref: https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issues/1697
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[08:17:10] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> ta 3+ has heating problems too, on 4 the situation is even direr
you need an active fan+big sink to be able to use it
this is fked up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyUXC3886Ic
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[08:18:02] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> I bought the useless case for 3+, now I keep only the lower part as a support, else it would throttle rather fast 😞
[08:18:11] <javafreund> i still struggle with my ejabberd localhost situation. now the webinterface works but the connection in the client is broken. setting up new clients / users  and log them in is not working. also a server restart didn't do the job. when loggin in a get a note that "the connection to localhost couldn't be established".
[08:19:07] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> ejabberd.log says what?
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[08:23:38] <javafreund> https://upload.trashserver.net/upload/9fc57b68face9c342df5ff10356d7138c0d64c66/mJchq3dDRanJvIR5PFD8Xrx0DPXhocIcuzFFafrH/screen.png
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[08:24:27] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> copy paste javafreund not pictures
also, scoll down.... did you enable `loglevel: 4` ?\
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[08:25:44] <zinid> > Why am I seeing _"groupchat logging is now enabled "_ added as message to this room?
That's normal behaviour described in XEP-0045
[08:25:56] <zinid> how clients render it is another question
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[08:27:05] <zinid> javafreund, those mnesia tables are recreated on every restart?
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[08:27:25] <javafreund> cant find anything called loglevel 4
[08:27:40] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> zinid Ok, that's why I opened that issue about displaying it, now, how often it that sent to the room?
[08:27:54] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], every time you join the room
[08:28:15] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund in ejabberd.yml edit... on top.... change from 3 to 4
then `sudo ejabberdctl reload_config` then retry
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[08:28:38] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> zinid so, if I see it 10 times in 2h it means that somehow my client disconnects?
[08:29:00] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], yes
[08:29:02] <zinid> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-logging
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[08:30:05] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Holger Is `groupchat logging` disabled on the main Conversations room? I'm also joined there yet I don't see this message
[08:31:07] <ta> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: okay, maybe i am lucky that my 3 (without plus) runs fine in its cheap case.
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[08:32:35] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> ta 3 is a different beast.... yes... https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/frequency-management.md
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[08:33:23] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], most likely it's disabled, yes
[08:33:40] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], try to join xsf@ or council@ room
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[08:37:14] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> mmmkay
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[08:39:03] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Ok, joined xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join but no such message on login
[08:39:39] <javafreund> do you mean retry log in after it? licacon_kter?
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[08:41:59] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> yes change that javafreund then reload_config then `sudo tail -f /path/to/your/log/ejabberd.log` and then retry to do what you want
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[08:43:44] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> And I can see myself in the logs lol
http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2019-09-11
[08:44:04] <Holger> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: Right, no public logs for the Conversations room.
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[08:45:00] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> > he service SHOULD allow the user to enter the room but MUST also warn the user that the discussions are logged
so... xsf@ violates this rule?
[08:45:30] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> I'll report them to the internet police, brb 🙂
[08:46:49] <javafreund> unfortunatley, i cant copy any text (even with bidirectional clipboard out of my virtual machine). i can just send another picture, but if i see it correctly the certificate is the problem? ejabberd created this one. can i just delete it and how to create an new one?
[08:47:05] <javafreund> https://upload.trashserver.net/upload/9fc57b68face9c342df5ff10356d7138c0d64c66/6iRIkYQIFqwrO3pglMjyawSK13bu8gmVLfXUBBrc/screen2.png
[08:48:49] <zinid> > so... xsf@ violates this rule?
probably Prosody
[08:52:14] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], grep Prosody logs for '170' 🙂
[08:52:21] <zinid> *Prosody sources
[08:53:15] <zinid> if not found just report to Prosody devs about the VIOLATION and give them 7 (working) days for the fix
[08:54:08] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> That's my MO, right
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[09:07:17] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Umm https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/file/tip/plugins/mod_muc_mam.lua#l99 maybe
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[09:11:13] <kris> > prefiks knows, but he is not joined ATM
According to the WordPress plugin author the shared example config still works as is. But its strange that the new APIbstuff in the 19.08 config file looks totally different.
[09:11:37] <kris> > https://pastebin.com/bkGKTdqy
> Is the guide provided
This one
[09:12:09] <kris> > https://beherit.pl/en/wordpress/plugins/ejabberd-account-tools/
> Trying to set this up.
Reply of author is here
[09:13:26] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], hard to say, I cannot into Lua
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[09:17:13] <javafreund> @licaon_kter can i just create a new certificate?
[09:17:29] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund yes
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[09:27:35] <javafreund> ok, i thought the last key was created while using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ejabberd" but that didn't work.
[09:27:49] <javafreund> i removed the old one, so no new key is created now
[09:27:51] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund read the first 2 lines
text replace 192.168.100.2 with your local IP
https://gist.github.com/licaon-kter/69da8a5ec37710f48129f8a7d043f5d9
adapt host address as `192.168.100.2.xip.io`
[09:27:57] <prefiks> kris: something like this:
api_permissions:
  "bot access":
    who:
      user: "bot@xmpp.example.org"
    what:
      - "change_password"
      - "check_account"
      - "check_password"
      - "get_presence"
      - "get_vcard"
      - "kick_user"
      - "private_get"
      - "private_set"
      - "register"
      - "send_message"
      - "set_last"
      - "unregister"
    
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[09:28:33] <prefiks> plus mod_http_api in request_handler
[09:28:34] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund read more: http://xip.io/
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[09:29:31] <kris> > plus mod_http_api in request_handler
Great, thanks for the help
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[09:30:13] <kris> Don't have server access right now, but will try in the evening
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[09:36:30] <javafreund> great thank you @licaon_kter. i assume i just place the file at etc/ejabberd/
[09:36:31] <javafreund> ?
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[09:40:52] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> openssl.conf doesn't matter
the output key/crt you put in ejabberd/certs and fix the path to them in ejabberd.yml
also `sudo chown ejabberd:ejabberd -R /path/to/certs/`
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[09:43:46] <javafreund> i don't have ejabberd/certs
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[09:45:46] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Whatever, make one where you keep the certs and have proper user rigths
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[10:23:33] <Holger> zinid: I created a trivial mod_jidprep that implements XEP-0328 (flow was interested in that), shall I throw that into contrib or do we want this in core? (<https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/369db0f>)
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[10:25:42] <zinid> I'm okay with putting it into ecs/master, but this will require documentation
[10:25:53] <zinid> also:
        ?DEBUG("Won't return normalized JID to ~s: ~s@~s/~s",
           [jid:encode(From), U, S, R]),
[10:26:16] <zinid> don't do this: if a JID is just a server name the debug message will be @server.tld/
[10:26:26] <zinid> jid:encode/1 for the win
[10:26:29] <Holger> k
[10:26:40] <Holger> Since when are we back to documenting stuff??
[10:26:53] <zinid> 😛
[10:27:43] <Holger> kk I'll create a PR against the docs repo.
[10:28:08] <Holger> Still less work than the contrib boilerplate :-)
[10:28:09] <javafreund> @liacon_kter i changed ip and saved it in the right folder, changed the path and also chowned the it  then i restarted the server now the server start fails
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[10:29:40] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund what client do you use that doesn't have auto nick completions?
[10:29:53] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> new picture of the log?
[10:30:18] <javafreund> i  tried it with gajim and pidgin and empathy for testingf
[10:30:29] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Did you skip the stem when you run `openssl` as instructed in the second row in that gist?
[10:30:39] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> *step
[10:30:54] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> the outputed .key and .crt are the files that you put there
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[10:39:05] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Holger was 2013 that sad?
> In some environments (in particular, browser based environments), a client does not have access to the various Unicode and internationalization libraries necessary to properly prep and normalize a JID.
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[10:42:58] <Holger> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: 🙂
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[10:43:34] <Holger> No idea, flow was interested for other purposes (testing/whatever).
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[10:47:31] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> @@Ho
[10:47:37] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> .
[10:47:42] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> It's from https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0328.html#intro
[10:47:58] <Holger> Yes I've read the XEP :-)
[10:47:58] <flow> Yep, I am mostly interested in it because of testing purposes. But potentially resource constraint IoT devices still could benefit from it.
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[10:50:31] <javafreund> @Liacon_Kter to be honest i did not saw the openssl command so i didnt do it. tried to re-do it now with stopped sytsem. but wont work. i have the log.
[10:50:40] <javafreund> https://upload.trashserver.net/upload/9fc57b68face9c342df5ff10356d7138c0d64c66/Ft1J8ERftszRcNscUnBxF1od0UcNaJrs0pZacJcV/log.png
[10:50:48] <javafreund> https://upload.trashserver.net/upload/9fc57b68face9c342df5ff10356d7138c0d64c66/KT3jx0E6skkwsY02hCojaUkYr9qDCaxsIaC68OEv/log2.png
[10:51:00] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund pres LI then TAB so it autocompletes FFS
[10:51:32] <javafreund> Licaon_Kter, thanks 🙂
[10:51:53] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund th WHOLE command...c'mon
openssl req -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out "192.168.100.2.xip.io.crt" -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout "192.168.100.2.xip.io.key" -config openssl.conf
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[11:04:08] <javafreund> Licaon_Kter, did it (with my ip) but server but still fails. no pem file.
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[11:08:34] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> run the WHOLE command
[11:08:53] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> > the NEWLY outputed .key and .crt are the files that you put there
[11:09:15] <javafreund> i typed in the whole command openssl req -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out "192.168.100.2.xip.io.crt" -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout "192.168.100.2.xip.io.key" -config openssl.conf
[11:09:17] <javafreund> with my ip
[11:09:45] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> and new files are created... use mv or mc or cp to send them to /etc/ejabberd/certs/
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[11:10:58] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> `sudo cp 192.168.100.2.xip.io.* /etc/ejabberd/certs/`
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[11:11:30] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> `sudo chown ejabberd:ejabberd -R /etc/ejabberd/`
[11:11:54] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> `sudo chmod 660 -R /etc/ejabberd/`
[11:12:52] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> You need virtualbox gues additions installed in the guest VM for bidirectional copy/paste, but it's easier to enable SSH and connect like that
[11:13:16] <Holger> Managing a system must be horrible if you need someone on the Internet to tell you every little step required.
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[11:14:35] <zinid> lol, true
[11:15:26] <Licaon_Kter> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[11:15:54] <Licaon_Kter> You might laugh at RPi users, at least we RTFM first
[11:16:15] <zinid> I don't give advices at all in such cases, it's very annoying and boring
[11:17:18] <zinid> given that it's 2019 and all information is available (back then I had to read Unix books)
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[11:19:52] <javafreund> sorry that i annoy you with questions as this vbox tls enforcement is making troubles and no there is no tutorial around.  i am in 5 organizations helping people who just dont know better with questions to gain some knowledge but if thats not welcome here and if its just anoying and boring i use another service -.-
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[11:20:32] <javafreund> yeah i know you where al good from the beginning and never needed help
[11:20:45] <javafreund> sorry but that is just rude
[11:21:28] <javafreund> i said from the very beginning i have never worked with xmpp server stuff before and just gaining knowledge
[11:22:26] <n0vajay05> Ejabberd is not on the list of easy things to learn, but keep at it. Takes some time to figure out where each step is going, especially when something fails.
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[11:22:57] <zinid> javafreund, you don't know how to generate a self-signed certificate, what are you talking about?
[11:22:57] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> javafreund read again what I've written, it's not about ejabberd, but plain server admin stuff under *nix
those 5 orgs are Windows shops?
[11:23:40] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> n0vajay05 No such issue here, read docs.ejabberd.im and that was it, as hard/easy as prosody
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[11:24:08] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Nice that I didn't have to know how to Erlang...
[11:24:41] <rule34> Hi all! I'd like to run an instance for friends, how can I open up registering only to them? like sending them a secret by email they'd need to register?
[11:25:09] <n0vajay05> I agree it depends on if you come from a windows shop or not. Learning syntax when admining windows for so long takes some time, but you find it all relates once you get the logic figured out.
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[11:25:50] <zinid> rule34, you can use mod_register_web on an obscure http url and can send the url to them, I think
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[11:26:16] <zinid> but they can share it...
[11:26:32] <zinid> well, there is easy onboard spec, but it's in progress
[11:26:56] <rule34> zinid: that'll work for my use case, thanks
[11:26:57] <Holger> javafreund: Nobody was good at anything from the beginning, the question is how people learn.  I think you learn way more by reading stuff and playing with things than by copy-pasting commands someone gives you to walk you through your problem.
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[11:29:33] <zinid> believe it or not, I couldn't get any help in 2000, because internet was virtually non-existent (at least in my location). I installed linux from the disc that was shipped with the book I bought
[11:29:48] <Daniel> i blame the schools. they don’t teach you problem solving but listening to other people and learning things by heart
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[11:30:06] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> rule34 I just send them the credential via whatever then instruct them to change the password
See registration bit here: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#mod-register
```
This configuration prohibits usage of In-Band Registration to create or delete accounts, but allows existing accounts to change the password:
modules:
  ...
  mod_register:
    access: none
  ...
```
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[11:30:55] <zinid> Daniel, but I think schools used to be the same, no?
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[11:32:02] <Daniel> well it's not a new problem
[11:35:10] <javafreund> i am not from the windows environment, but i was also never responsible for server related stuff so my network knowledge is not good and no i have never created a certificate
[11:35:15] <javafreund> i am mostly working with java stuff
[11:35:25] <javafreund> so this sort of stuff is new
[11:36:05] <zinid> javafreund, the point is that this is not ejabberd related stuff, so strictly speaking, copying, moving, generating certfiles is offtopic here
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[11:36:22] <zinid> also, ejabberd gives exact reason why your certificate is broken: failed to decode PEM
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[11:39:13] <zinid> ah, well, not found, whatever
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[12:00:04] <kris> > i blame the schools. they don’t teach you problem solving but listening to other people and learning things by heart
I don't think the schools themselves are to blame. The curricula are normally quite geared towards problem solving, at least in most of Europe. I guess the bigger problem is that teachers have little "real world" experience and thus can only replicate and can't act as a role model for problem solvers.
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[12:01:03] <kris> Not blaming the teachers either, but the teacher education system is set up in a way that has this result
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[12:06:27] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> kris shifting blame, nice try
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[12:19:41] <kris> I just think we shouldn't blame an institution in itself, as there is little way to improve a situation if you don't analyse the problem in more detail and look at the individual persons that make up a system.
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[13:17:12] <zinid> let's just find a single threat and fight against it
[13:17:20] <zinid> I blame GMO
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[13:19:56] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: gluten? MSG?
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[14:43:36] <jonny> Hey, sometimes my second instance loses the connection to the cluster, is there a command to check if the instance is still connected to the cluster?
I would like to create a cron watchdog, which should call "join cluster" when the check fails
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[15:41:01] <Steven Roose> Is anyone able to produce a mysql query for getting a user's OMEMO PEP nodes?
[15:41:16] <Steven Roose> Or is there a tool for browsing PEP nodes in general?
[15:41:35] <Steven Roose> Let me fire up Gajim, if any client would have something, it'd be Gajim 😀
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[15:47:42] <Steven Roose> Oh Gajim allows me to browse PEP nodes of people that have me in their rosters only,I think. Not all users, even as an admin.
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[16:52:41] <Holger> Hrm!  I wanted the test suite to throw invalid (as per xmpp_codec) syntax at the server, so I built the #xmlel{} manually.  I receive the expected error response, but as that includes the original invalid syntax, xmpp_codec freaks out trying to parse the error :-)
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[16:54:22] <Holger> I guess I could just catch the exception ...
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