Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, September 24, 2019< ^ >
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[04:56:19] <Licaon_Kter> It's not a psql thing as ejabberd asks for those connections, right?
[04:57:55] <Licaon_Kter> This I guess jonny right?
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2541#issuecomment-524506966
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[06:11:30] <jonny> Licaon_Kter: yes I meant `max_connection` in psql and there is a restart necessary. In ejabberd for `sql_pool_size` I don't know
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[09:49:33] <pod> hi, which version of ejabberd added the server_host field to certain tables? i just upgraded from 19.05 to 19.08 and my db doesnt have this field
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[09:56:20] <Holger> pod, ejabberd still supports both SQL schemas, the "old" one without that field (where you use seperate DBs for each vhost) and the "new" one with the `server_host` field (where you'd use a single database for all vhosts).
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[09:57:37] <pod> i see so i dont have to alter my database yet to match the new schema
[09:58:21] <pod> thanks, Holger - very helpful as usual :)
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[10:33:08] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2962#issuecomment-534493338
[10:33:42] <zinid> just what I have said recently regarding ejabberd configuration: 95% of time you need to configure unrelated things instead of ejabberd itself
[10:34:22] <Holger> Yup.
[10:35:16] <Holger> We need built-in support for the APIs of some popular DNS providers 🙂
[10:35:49] <zinid> we still cannot open privileged ports 😉
[10:36:15] <zinid> or we can go yaws route 🙂 They have an external binary with suid bit 😉
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[10:37:18] <Holger> On Linux one can use `setcap` to allow beam.smp to listen on ports < 1024 without giving it other privileges.
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[10:38:04] <Holger> But then again I'm still not sure it's so desirable to have people who can't figure out basic admin stuff run public XMPP services.
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[10:40:20] <Holger> On the other hand, they do that anyway and making it easier avoids issue tracker spam.
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[10:41:25] <zinid> well, setcap is handy...
[10:41:30] <zinid> I didn't know about it 🙂
[10:42:06] <zinid> and NAT is a pita with ipv6
[10:42:23] <zinid> (you need some kernel support for it IIRC)
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[13:52:43] <zinid> https://blog.process-one.net/we-are-not-an-erlang-company/
[13:52:54] <Licaon_Kter> Lol wut
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[13:55:06] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Meh, PR talk.... deliver 19.09 and STFU
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[13:55:57] <zinid> in progress
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[13:56:26] <zinid> but I'm not sure, we're not an Erlang company anymore, so 19.09 will be in some different language
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[14:01:09] <Licaon_Kter> That soon? So Rust?
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[14:01:30] <zinid> > we can help you develop your projects in Go, Swift and Kotlin
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[14:01:40] <zinid> so one of them I guess?
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[14:06:05] <perflyst> Swift pls
[14:06:07] <perflyst> :o
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[14:14:44] <Holger> zinid: Using the built-in ACME support is of course still optional no?
[14:15:10] <zinid> Holger, sure
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[14:15:28] <zinid> I mean it's enabled by default, but you can disable it
[14:15:36] <zinid> ```
acme:
  auto: false
```
[14:15:38] <Holger> You discussing whether sharing makes sense sounds a bit like it isn't.
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[14:16:02] <zinid> I don't understand
[14:16:11] <zinid> why would you want to share certs?
[14:16:50] <zinid> or do I misunderstand something?
[14:18:02] <Holger> I would've thought you can't use the built-in support at all (or only with complicated setup foo) if you already have Apache/whatever listening on port 80?
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[14:18:57] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> ```
[14:18:59] <zinid> sigh
[14:19:21] <zinid> well, I'm not sure what I can tell
[14:19:42] <Holger> Other than that I see no reason for sharing per se either.  But I see how you might want to disable built-in support if you're using DNS challenges or simply another CA or whatever, of course.
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[14:20:22] <zinid> Holger, so yes, disable
[14:20:25] <zinid> what's the question?
[14:20:39] <zinid> I don't disallow you to disable ACME 🙂
[14:20:45] <Holger> Yes yes I'm happy.
[14:20:59] <Holger> > Does the revised handling support the case in which another application
[14:20:59] <Holger> such as Apache is the ACME client, and is sharing the certificate with
[14:20:59] <Holger> ejabberd, which only needs in that case to be notified that the
[14:20:59] <Holger> certificate has been updated (or be able to recognize that for itself)?
[14:21:09] <Holger> Answer is simply "yes of course" ;-)
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[14:22:07] <zinid> Well you can reply if you think you have something to add 😉
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[14:22:33] <Holger> Nah.
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[14:24:16] <zinid> anyway, what currently bothers me is that you basically cannot run ejabberd without some http front-end (or sslh), if you want to have direct-tls and other things
[14:25:01] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> > I honestly see no point in sharing ACME certificates between daemons
And each component will have some other cert? I find that odd 😞
[14:25:18] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], then use certbot
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[14:26:02] <zinid> I mean why sharing between the apps, there is certbot for this
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[14:26:12] <zinid> anyway, it's bikeshedding
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[14:26:20] <zinid> (damn, I have I replied there)
[14:26:26] <zinid> *why
[14:27:38] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Why add another daemon if ejabberd has this included? (that's the odd part)
I'll see when I het to test this...
[14:28:10] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs], read my above statement: because for example you cannot share 443 for both c2s and https
[14:28:16] <zinid> so you need some frontend
[14:28:38] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> I'm forced by 0368 to have it anyway, right?
[14:28:55] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> But, that's not the thing...but port 80 is
[14:28:58] <zinid> you're not forced to listen on 443
[14:29:13] <zinid> but without 443 there is little sense in 0368
[14:29:33] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> eh
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[14:41:35] <Ben> About how long does ejabberd retain media/file uploads by default?
[14:42:19] <zinid> forever
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[14:44:01] <Ben> wait that's physically impossible
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[14:44:33] <zinid> yes, heat dead of the universe is about in several trillion of years only, so not infinity
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[14:44:41] <zinid> *death
[14:44:55] <Ben> gotcha
[14:45:14] <Ben> is there something I run to clear out some old stuff if my disk gets full
[14:45:32] <zinid> there is a magic command, yes
[14:45:48] <zinid> I don't remember it, so won't tell you 😛
[14:47:13] <zinid> or just use find ... -exec rm {}\
[14:47:40] <zinid> ah, there is mod_http_upload_quota
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[14:48:05] <Ben> interesting
[14:48:09] <zinid> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#mod-http-upload-quota
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[15:26:00] <zinid> https://twitter.com/xmpp_is/status/1175092745804877826
[15:26:04] <zinid> 3Gb for 3k connections
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[15:26:11] <zinid> prosody lightweight edition
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[16:26:16] <perflyst> i wonder if ejabberd has something like prosody which can inform you about failed s2s connections because of invalid remote certs or similar
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[16:26:28] <perflyst> didnt found anything
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[16:28:26] <Licaon_Kter> perflyst: grep your logs?
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[16:30:29] <zinid> perflyst, it reports in logs
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[16:32:58] <perflyst> yeah, but prosody sends it to configured jid
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[16:33:12] <perflyst> should i do grep and sendxmpp in cron? :) or is there anything built in
[16:33:42] <zinid> nothing built-in
[16:34:03] <zinid> just grep warnings and send 😉
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[16:35:44] <perflyst> ok!
then, https://forum.kontalk.org/t/expired-certificate-on-pubsub-beta-kontalk-net/685/7
[16:35:57] <perflyst> anyone seen such behaviour before?
[16:36:31] <zinid> actually you're better off just enabling mod_s2s_dialback
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[16:39:05] <zinid> > Exactly, but Prosody shouldn’t connect directly to pubsub.beta.kontalk.net, it should instead go through beta.kontalk.net
bullshit
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[16:40:23] <zinid> btw, that pubsub stuff is not in DNS
[16:40:47] <perflyst> yes, he said this is some internal thing
[16:40:57] <zinid> then what's the problem?
[16:41:28] <zinid> > No certificate provided by pubsub.beta.kontalk.net
how Prosody found it then? 🙂
[16:41:40] <perflyst> the problem/question is why this request is there
[16:42:00] <perflyst> dunno, i just chat with some ppl which are on kontalk
[16:42:29] <zinid> forget about it, it's configured that way
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[16:43:06] <zinid> and it's hard to understand whether you requested dialback or not, in ejabberd you actually see this (Retrying with s2s dialback)
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[16:43:57] <zinid> !version kontalk.org
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[16:44:12] <zinid> !version beta.kontalk.org
[16:44:12] <Licaon_Kter> You killed the bot lol
[16:44:22] <Servant> zinid: !version beta.kontalk.org resulted in: remote-server-timeout
[16:44:25] <perflyst> xD
[16:44:27] <Servant> zinid: !version kontalk.org resulted in: remote-server-timeout
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[16:45:02] <zinid> !version beta.kontalk.net
[16:45:08] <Servant> zinid: beta.kontalk.net is running Tigase version 7.1.3-b129/677bfe0a (2019-05-08/18:52:11) on Linux-amd64-4.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64, OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM-25.212-b01-Oracle Corporation
[16:45:09] <zinid> !version kontalk.net
[16:45:25] <perflyst> it is beta.kontalk.net, nothing else
[16:45:25] <zinid> tigase, I see
[16:45:40] <Servant> zinid: !version kontalk.net resulted in: remote-server-timeout
[16:46:44] <zinid> gosh, prosody has so ugly logs
[16:46:56] <perflyst> at the bottom is ejabberd
[16:47:03] <perflyst> at the bottom is ejabberd log
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[16:48:55] <zinid> the logs are not full
[16:49:10] <zinid> it's unclear who initiated the connection
[16:49:32] <perflyst> hm, i will give you more
[16:49:33] <zinid> also, debug was not needed, now it's only hindering
[16:49:45] <perflyst> can i send in pm? which loglevel?
[16:50:35] <zinid> I don't understand what you're trying to resolve?
[16:50:48] <zinid> that domain doesn't have DNS record, nothing will work
[16:51:15] <perflyst> i just want to know why it wants to connect to their pubsub node forever
[16:51:36] <zinid> okay, xramtsov@gmail.com
[16:51:44] <perflyst> i mean it is filling the log (probably it is gone if i disable dialback as suggested)
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[16:51:56] <zinid> don't disable dialback
[16:52:18] <perflyst> > actually you're better off just enabling mod_s2s_dialback
ahh, enabling
[16:52:23] <zinid> also, any client can initiate that connection when, for example, it's seen in disco response of the server
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[16:52:39] <zinid> from the logs I think dialback is enabled
[16:52:50] <zinid> grep mod_s2s_dialback ejabberd.yml
[16:53:09] <perflyst> yes it is of course
[16:53:17] <perflyst> which loglevel do you want
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[16:53:29] <zinid> debug is fine
[16:53:32] <zinid> I'll grep 😉
[16:55:42] <Kris> > https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#mod-http-upload-quota
Is that working with http_upload_external as well?
[16:56:00] <zinid> Kris, no
[16:56:21] <Kris> Ok, good to know
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[16:56:50] <zinid> files are served by external http server in that case, ejabberd typically doesn't have access to them
[16:57:23] <Kris> Yeah, I thought this maybe keeps track of the uploaded files sizes internally
[16:57:55] <Kris> Not a problem, just wondering
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[17:00:43] <perflyst> well, maybe takes a bit
normally the logs were instantly filled with pubsub.beta.kontalk.net but now no entries after enabling debug
[17:01:40] <zinid> you can send previous log
[17:01:45] <perflyst> i delete logs
[17:01:48] <zinid> hehe
[17:01:53] <perflyst> privacy you know?
[17:02:28] <zinid> nah, it's something related to Facebook?
[17:02:41] <perflyst> yes
[17:02:42] <perflyst> :D
[17:02:58] <perflyst> ok, now i get the logs, let me catch them
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[17:12:26] <perflyst> sent
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[17:21:20] <zinid> perflyst, it's indeed constantly bombardeering you with db:result
[17:21:47] <perflyst> buut, why? :D
[17:22:25] <zinid> dunno
[17:22:51] <perflyst> can you tell me the grep you used to get what is needed? so that i can give it to the kontalk dev
[17:22:53] <zinid> if you provided the full log, then it's an s2s initiator
[17:23:03] <zinid> grep -E '0.25375.2|0.25379.2' log
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[17:24:04] <perflyst> well "full log", it is of course not the complete ejabberd.log file
but a part of it with quite some lines before "pubsub.beta.kontalk.net" occured
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[17:24:39] <zinid> yeah, I failed to grep anything related to outgoing s2s with pubsub.beta.kontalk.net
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[17:25:38] <zinid> and why is it trying dialback?
[17:25:51] <zinid> they have poorly configured CA file?
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[17:26:27] <perflyst> >  I failed to grep anything related to outgoing s2s with pubsub.beta.kontalk.net
can I grep for you? what should I grep for
[17:27:24] <zinid> prefiks, I first grepped pubsub.beta shit, then I grepped all process identifiers (only two found)
[17:27:31] <zinid> btw
[17:27:35] <zinid> 2019-09-24 17:26:20.480 [info] <0.20777.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:init:273 Outbound s2s connection started: zinid.ru -> beta.kontalk.net
2019-09-24 17:26:22.860 [warning] <0.20777.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_failure:219 (tls|<0.20777.0>) Failed outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication zinid.ru -> beta.kontalk.net (46.101.92.252): Authentication failed: Peer provided no SASL mechanisms; most likely it doesn't accept our certificate
[17:27:53] <zinid> so it's misconfigured
[17:28:21] <zinid> this is normal for tigase, ask Licaon_Kter
[17:28:32] <zinid> he won't let me lie 😉
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[17:29:49] <perflyst> hm, but arent these two different issues?
i mean i can chat with ppl and i also can successfully discover via gajim
[17:30:09] <zinid> yes, those are different issues
[17:30:24] <zinid> ah, so you discover via gajim?
[17:30:34] <zinid> gajim actually can initiate that s2s
[17:30:39] <perflyst> i did for testing, but these logs cleary showed disco
[17:30:58] <zinid> I didn't find pubsub crap in disco
[17:31:04] <zinid> maybe you sent me partial logs?
[17:31:08] <perflyst> than after i stopped, no pubsub entries
after some time the logs i sent you started
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[17:31:32] <zinid> whatever
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[17:32:31] <zinid> grep pubsub.beta.shit first, make sure it doesn't appear in some disco stanza
[17:32:43] <zinid> if it's there, then your gajim is initating this
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[17:33:29] <zinid> I doubt you sent me full logs, an s2s attempt is at the 3rd line
[17:33:38] <zinid> and before that the log was empty?
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[17:35:25] <perflyst> > well "full log", it is of course not the complete ejabberd.log file
> but a part of it with quite some lines before "pubsub.beta.kontalk.net" occured
let me wait for it appearing again, than i will send you an encrypted zip file with logs
just delete things afterwards, please.
[17:35:50] <zinid> I put them in /tmp, yes
[17:36:11] <zinid> and I shutdown my desktop at nights 😉
[17:37:04] <perflyst> with hide_sensitive_log_data: true ok?
[17:37:27] <zinid> yeah
[17:37:35] <perflyst> k, thx for effort already :)
[17:37:43] <zinid> but it won't help in debug mode, I see your IPs in logged stanzas 😛
[17:38:11] <perflyst> ah ok^^
[17:38:46] <zinid> meta = #{ip => {0,0,0,0,0,x,y,z}}}
[17:39:01] <perflyst> in ejabberd conf?
[17:39:03] <zinid> it's just in Erlang internal format
[17:39:07] <zinid> no, in the logs
[17:39:26] <perflyst> ah this was an example, not how to hide them^^
[17:39:32] <zinid> yup
[17:39:47] <zinid> people post them all the time thinking they have hidden everything, lmao 😀
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[17:48:38] <Licaon_Kter> > this is normal for tigase, ask Licaon_Kter
> he won't let me lie 😉
Tru' story
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[17:50:27] <perflyst> !version demo.starface.com
[17:50:29] <Licaon_Kter> Kris:
> Is that working with http_upload_external as well?
Works for me, but they are stored locally and ejabberd has access
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[17:50:38] <Servant> perflyst: !version demo.starface.com resulted in: remote-server-timeout
[17:51:11] <perflyst> !version cheogram.com
[17:51:13] <Servant> perflyst: !version cheogram.com resulted in: feature-not-implemented
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[17:52:18] <perflyst> !version auth.agayon.de
[17:52:28] <Servant> perflyst: !version auth.agayon.de resulted in: remote-server-timeout
[17:52:28] <perflyst> !version auth.agayon.be
[17:52:29] <Servant> perflyst: auth.agayon.be is running HTTP authentification component version .
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[17:53:25] <perflyst> !version soprani.ca
[17:53:25] <Servant> perflyst: !version soprani.ca resulted in: remote-server-timeout
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[17:53:46] <perflyst> !version conference.soprani.ca
[17:53:48] <Servant> perflyst: !version conference.soprani.ca resulted in: service-unavailable
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[17:54:51] <perflyst> !version njal.la
[17:54:55] <Servant> perflyst: njal.la is running Prosody version 0.11.2 on Linux
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[18:12:14] <Servant> 4223: wiuwiu.de is running Prosody version 0.11.2 on Linux
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[18:56:46] <Kris> > Kris:
> Works for me, but they are stored locally and ejabberd has access
Ah, OK. Well in my case it is a seperate server, so no I guess
[18:57:15] <perflyst> does ejabberd cache ldap passwords?
[18:57:34] <perflyst> looks like when i change it, ejabberd doesnt accept it
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[18:58:10] <Kris> I think so
[18:58:58] <Kris> xcloud auth is recommending a special option to disable cache for user account, so probably the same thing
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[18:59:24] <Kris> Was a while though I last had to deal with that
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[19:02:42] <perflyst> hm, there is only auth cache for script external
for ldap i only see ldap_user_cache_validity
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[19:06:40] <Holger> perflyst: Search for `auth_use_cache` in https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/
[19:07:14] <perflyst> i saw it, but it is only listed on "external script"
[19:07:42] <perflyst> will set it to false..
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[19:09:42] <Holger> The text you'll find explains that there was an extauth caching option which is deprecated.
[19:10:01] <Holger> Maybe you're using an old ejabberd version and/or configuration file.
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[19:13:14] <perflyst> debian backports, 18.12.1-2~bpo9+1
there was no caching option set in my ejabberd config
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[19:13:33] <perflyst> "So if your authentication mechanism supports application-specific passwords, caching must be disabled." ah, this will it be
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[19:38:59] <perflyst> zinid, i i will look tomorrow..
i wait for pubsub.beta.kontalk.net with tail but a few lines later i see ejabberd.log: file truncated and the log which includes pubsub.beta.kontalk.net is gone
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[19:40:38] <zinid> perflyst, yes, there is log rotation enabled by default
[19:40:58] <perflyst> yeah, but there is no ejabberd.log.1 created :o
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[20:09:38] <Kris> With mod_mam is there an option to limit message archiving to a certain number of days?
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[20:30:26] <perflyst> good question.. :thumbsup:
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[20:55:01] <jonny> Indeed.
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