Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Saturday, October 19, 2019< ^ >
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[01:33:47] <Licaon_Kter> zinid loglevel warning/info & debug are strangely silent 🙁
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[05:17:00] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: nothing is logged at all?
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[06:41:50] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, see Travis logs, looks okay to me
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[06:58:39] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: nope, nothing....did the file change to another?
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[06:59:07] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, file change?
[06:59:16] <zinid> make sure you did `make distclean`
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[06:59:24] <zinid> also, what Erlang version?
[06:59:37] <zinid> you need 21.0 or higher
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[07:00:32] <Licaon_Kter> First time update
Then distclean since this was strange
Buster 21.2.6
[07:02:52] <zinid> well I don't know
[07:03:10] <zinid> I have it working, Travis have it working (on both 21.0 and 22.1)
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[07:04:27] <Licaon_Kter> Great
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[07:06:30] <zinid> I mean you need to investigate this somehow...
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[07:06:44] <zinid> I cannot investigate it myself on your machine 🙂
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[07:07:00] <zinid> do you `make install`?
[07:07:16] <zinid> are log files even created?
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[07:10:34] <zinid> at least ejabberd.log and error.log must be created (and there is no crash.log anymore)
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[07:12:41] <Licaon_Kter> I'll rename them and see if they get created
[07:12:49] <Licaon_Kter> *recreated
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[07:14:32] <zinid> what if you start in live mode? Do you see logging in the console?
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[09:38:54] <multixmp> > zind also make sure you have something like 'Start accepting TCP connections ...' in the log, ejabberd logs these on start
Eja logs look ok and show
'Start accepting TCP connections at 52.. for eja ...
Start accepting TCP connections at 54.. for eja ...
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[09:39:08] <multixmp> > zind also make sure you have something like 'Start accepting TCP connections ...' in the log, ejabberd logs these on start
Eja logs look ok and show
'Start accepting TCP connections at 52.. for eja ...
Start accepting TCP connections at 54..
for eja ...
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[09:41:02] <zinid> multixmp, then your machine is not reachable for some reason
[09:41:32] <zinid> well this is not ejabberd related problem, use admin tools to check: telnet, host, etc
[09:42:02] <multixmp> Damn clouds ...
[09:42:26] <multixmp> Will check server
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[11:28:25] <jonny> Hey can I do an upgrade with the Linux 64 bit .run installer package?
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[11:29:05] <jonny> Currently I install the new version aside copy config and adjust symbolic links
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[11:30:37] <jonny> Can I simply set the - -prefix to the old install path?
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[11:58:38] <jonny> ! info rimkus.it
[11:58:47] <jonny> !info rimkus.it
[11:58:49] <Servant> jonny: rimkus.it is running since 3 minutes 43 seconds
rimkus.it is running ejabberd version 19.09.1.
contact addresses for rimkus.it are
- abuse-addresses : mailto:system@andy-selbach.de
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[12:07:34] <lags> Hello everyone, I am trying to import data from prosody but MUCs are not being imported for some reason. I am following the migration from trashserver:
https://thomas-leister.de/en/migrating-trashserver-prosody-ejabberd/
Anyone with experience with that?
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[13:24:04] <multixmp> Check Cloud Server Firewall
Open all ports now there is a new error
'TLS Negotiation Failed'
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[13:31:58] <Licaon_Kter> multixmp: more info in ejabberd.log?
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[13:52:19] <multixmp> Ejabberd listener: accept: 256  Accepted Connection
Ejabberd c2s process terminated: 312  Failed to secure c2s connection:  TLS failed:  SSL do handshake failed  SSL routine...
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[13:53:25] <lovetox> maybe your cert is not accepted by the other servers
[13:53:39] <lovetox> ah thats c2s
[13:53:56] <lovetox> maybe you have not setup a certificate
[13:54:18] <lovetox> maybe post the rest of the error message
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[13:54:22] <lovetox> why the handshake failed
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[13:54:49] <lovetox> another reason could be you did not specify the correct ciphers
[13:55:00] <lovetox> or the clients dont support hte ciphers you setup
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[14:07:40] <Licaon_Kter> multixmp: explain, what client?
[14:07:51] <multixmp> I am using Conversations as the client
The remainder of the error msg:
SSL routines sslv3 alert certificate unknown
Is the certificate not setup as part of the ejabberd install?
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[14:08:16] <zinid> 😀
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[14:10:35] <lovetox> do you know what a certificate is?
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[14:20:48] <multixmp> Yes but not in regards to a Ejabberd install
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[14:23:26] <lovetox> look for the "certfiles" key in your configuration file
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[14:23:38] <lovetox> it should point to the certificate for your domain
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[14:24:56] <zinid> if you have 19.09+ you can configure ACME and retrieve the certificates automatically
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[14:25:09] <multixmp> Domain?
I just spun up a cloud instance
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[14:25:22] <zinid> yes, but you have the domain, right?
[14:25:25] <multixmp> Yes I have 19.09
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[14:25:50] <zinid> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#acme
[14:26:17] <lovetox> zinid, does ejabberd not ship a self signed cert anymore?
[14:26:29] <zinid> lovetox, probably in binary installer, I don't remember
[14:26:40] <lovetox> or maybe this is a debian thing
[14:26:43] <multixmp> I have not assigned a domain name to the server like acb.com
It just an IP address if that's what you mean
[14:27:16] <zinid> having just an IP address complicates everything
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[14:27:28] <zinid> for example Dino will refuse to connect
[14:27:37] <lovetox> and what do you expect your users to have for adresses? myname@123.123.123.123?
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[14:28:23] <zinid> lovetox, from what I understand he doesn't need s2s, so if the IP is static enough, that probably would work, with some clients
[14:28:41] <zinid> but having invalid certificate is, well, not that secure
[14:28:41] <lovetox> yeah i would not bet on it working with clients ^^
[14:28:58] <multixmp> It's a private server and I am learning it's capabilities.
I will assign a domain name once I know I can get it all working and test that it's suitable
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[14:29:26] <zinid> multixmp, then for now just generate self-signed cert and put it into `certfiles` section
[14:29:53] <lovetox> multixmp, you will not test very much i fear, most clients will not support what you are trying to do
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[14:30:18] <zinid> $ openssl req -x509 -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout key.pem -out cert.pem -days 1000 -nodes -batch -subj "/CN=localhost"
[14:30:44] <lovetox> can he not just assign a domain in the config
[14:30:45] <zinid> this will create cert.pem and key.pem, put then into the configuration:
certfiles:
  - cert.pem
  - key.pem
[14:30:53] <lovetox> it does not matter if he owns it if self signes a cert for it
[14:31:18] <zinid> lovetox, what do you mean? he can put an IP address in `hosts`
[14:31:33] <zinid> hosts:
  - 123.123.123.123
[14:31:38] <zinid> lol, that would work 😉
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[14:32:22] <lovetox> for a test, without s2s, i think it does not matter
[14:32:23] <lovetox> :)
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[14:32:44] <zinid> sure, well, at least Conversations will be able to connect after several complains 😉
[14:32:49] <zinid> probably Gajim as well
[14:32:51] <zinid> but not Dino
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[14:33:11] <lovetox> yes, and he will have to specify the ip adress in advanced settings, because clients will try to make a dns lookup
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[14:34:07] <multixmp> When I try to run the command ejabberd request-certificate all
I get command not found
[14:34:08] <zinid> maybe it's better to use `xip.io`
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[14:34:29] <zinid> multixmp, `ejabberdCTL request-certificate all`
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[14:35:19] <zinid> set this in the configure first:
acme:
  ca_url: https://acme-staging-v02.api.letsencrypt.org/directory
[14:35:28] <zinid> or let's encrypt will throttle you for several hours
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[14:35:58] <multixmp> Yes damn auto correct  on phone
I used `ejabberdCTL request-certificate all`
Command not found
[14:35:59] <zinid> *in the config
[14:36:07] <zinid> `ejabberdctl` 🙂
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[14:36:30] <zinid> I just stressed *CTL* 🙂
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[14:37:16] <multixmp> Yes I cut and paste that line straight from the online ejabberd docs
[14:37:35] <zinid> well, in that case your system doesn't see ejabberdctl
[14:37:39] <zinid> how is ejabberd installed?
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[14:38:33] <zinid> we probably really need some manual for full noobs
[14:38:59] <multixmp> It's installed and running
When I run the status sms
Ejabberd 19.09.1 is running in that node
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[14:39:21] <multixmp> It's installed and running
When I run the status command
Ejabberd 19.09.1 is running in that node
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[14:41:32] <zinid> $ ejabberdctl request-certificate localhost
Error: "Unknown or unacceptable virtual host: localhost"
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[14:41:48] <zinid> not sure, why you get command not found
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[14:42:27] <rom1dep> zinid: this acme thing, how does it work, over Https?
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[14:42:38] <zinid> rom1dep, over http
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[14:43:29] <zinid> well, ejabberd supports only http-01 challenge
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[14:43:43] <rom1dep> Does that work often in practice? Don't people put 80/443 to good use with an actual web server on the same machine?
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[14:44:16] <zinid> rom1dep, a lot of people just run ejabberd without any http server
[14:44:31] <zinid> but if you have a separate web server then of course this will not work
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[14:45:08] <rom1dep> I was wondering if there could be another challenge method that would work, then
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[14:45:24] <zinid> alpn-01, but it requires 443 😉
[14:46:03] <rom1dep> Or, an alpn multiplexer in front of it?
[14:46:13] <zinid> what?
[14:46:41] <zinid> well, yes, you can configure multiplexors
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[14:46:48] <rom1dep> 443 can be listened to by sslh and pass that on to ejabberd
[14:47:09] <zinid> rom1dep, but you can do the same with http, no?
[14:48:13] <rom1dep> What would be the rule like? LE's IP?
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[14:48:23] <rom1dep> Http Headers?
[14:48:36] <zinid> /.well-known/acme-challenge/...
[14:48:53] <zinid> not sure if sslh is capable to parse it though
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[14:49:27] <rom1dep> I don't think so. But Apache should
[14:49:37] <zinid> yeah, but Apache also wants certificates 😉
[14:49:55] <zinid> and apache has built-in acme client too
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[14:50:49] <rom1dep> Apache's acme is confused by my use of a non-standard port (as in, it doesn't itself listens to 443) so I gave up on that
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[14:51:28] <zinid> you cannot use non-standard ports in ACME, the port numbers are defined by the RFC
[14:51:48] <zinid> so either 80 for http-01 or 443 of alpn-01
[14:52:18] <multixmp> > set this in the configure first:
> acme:
> ca_url: https://acme-staging-v02.api.letsencrypt.org/directory
> or let's encrypt will throttle you for several hours
Done
What's the purpose of this??
[14:52:30] <rom1dep> So these days I renew my certs in an idiotic way, putting Apache/sslh on the side and letting certbot spin up an ad-hoc server
[14:53:12] <zinid> multixmp: the purpose is written in the documentation
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[14:53:45] <zinid> multixmp: but you still don't have ejabberdctl working, right?
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[14:54:42] <zinid> rom1dep: I just don't use any front-ends, so ejabberd's acme working perfectly for me
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[14:55:22] <zinid> and certbot is the most retarded bot I ever used
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[14:55:43] <multixmp> No spoke to quick
Edited the
Umm file then got permission denied to oversight the file
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[14:56:12] <zinid> multixmp: I don't understand you
[14:56:46] <zinid> it would be much better if you just copy-pasted the errors as is
[14:56:53] <multixmp> No spoke to quick
Edited the .yml file then got permission denied to oversight the file
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[14:57:03] <zinid> $ command
error
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[14:57:50] <multixmp> What's the Unix command to chmod the .yml file so I can overright it ?
[14:58:27] <multixmp> What's the Unix command to chmod the .yml file so I can overwrite it ?
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[15:01:23] <zinid> show output of `ls -l ejabberd.yml`
[15:01:35] <zinid> yeah, I'm bored 😁
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[15:02:11] <multixmp> -rw-r--r--
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[15:02:59] <multixmp> Tried the chmod cmd and got operation not permitted
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[15:03:58] <multixmp> Worked with sudo in front
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[15:05:30] <multixmp> You sure that +rw is the right command as I still cannot overwrite the .yml file ?
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[15:06:59] <zinid> seems like you are trying to overwrite it with a different user
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[15:07:07] <zinid> o+rw in that case
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[15:07:45] <zinid> but meh, you're better of using ejabberd user for this kind of operations
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[15:07:53] <multixmp> 777 seemed to work
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[15:09:34] <multixmp> Do I need to restart the server or does it pick up the .yml file automatically??
[15:09:55] <zinid> ejabberdctl reload-config
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[15:11:55] <multixmp> Command not found
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[15:12:08] <zinid> sure, because you need to call the command as ejabberd user
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[15:12:21] <zinid> try `sudo ejabberdct reload-config`, I don't know
[15:12:28] <zinid> *ejabberdctl
[15:12:47] <multixmp> Did sudo and same error
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[15:13:24] <multixmp> Had to put full path
Worked
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[15:13:40] <multixmp> Had to put full dir path
Worked
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[15:14:14] <zinid> now `ejabberdctl request-certificate all`
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[15:14:18] <zinid> with full path as well
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[15:14:52] <multixmp> I can connect now
ZINID YOU LEGEND !!!
[15:15:03] <zinid> connect where?
[15:15:06] <zinid> ah
[15:15:17] <multixmp> From Conversations to server
[15:15:35] <zinid> I'm a bit surprised
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[15:16:01] <multixmp> I got 2 pop ups on the client
1) accept certificate
2) accept dif name
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[15:16:37] <zinid> yeah, you can now remove that acme option and re-request the certificate again
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[15:16:52] <zinid> in this case you will get a valid certificate, so you won't need to accept it in a client
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[15:17:51] <multixmp> Ok
Will revert back the ACME line to the previous and remove the staging server line
Standby
[15:18:02] <zinid> yup
[15:18:23] <zinid> you can actually remove ca_url option completely, the default value is fine
[15:20:21] <zinid> set this:
```
acme:
  auto: true
  cert_type: rsa
```
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[15:22:16] <zinid> or better off just removing the `acme` section completely 😛
[15:22:27] <zinid> lol, I already forgot that all these are defaults 🙂
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[15:24:09] <multixmp> Error trying to request certificate all
ACME server reported: Error creating new order
Cannot issue \.....\ Policy forbids issuing for name
Error type: rejectedIdentifier
[15:25:05] <zinid> hehe
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[15:25:22] <zinid> so staging allows, but prod denies?
[15:25:24] <zinid> funny
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[15:26:02] <zinid> well the only way is to get some real domain name
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[15:26:24] <zinid> or switch back to staging, but clients will be complaining
[15:26:41] <zinid> anyway, you already have a certificate, so no actions are required within 3 months 😉
[15:27:03] <multixmp> I never ran the cert all in staging
[15:27:19] <zinid> then how did you get a client working?
[15:28:03] <zinid> whatever, without a real domain name you cannot get a valid certificate
[15:28:08] <zinid> no matter what you do
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[15:30:41] <zinid> ah, I probably know how you got the certificate
[15:30:49] <zinid> try `ejabberdctl list-certificates`
[15:30:54] <zinid> does it show you any cert?
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[15:39:07] <multixmp> Ran the cms and it executed with no errors but showed nothing back to the cmd line
[15:39:23] <multixmp> Ran the cmd and it executed with no errors but showed nothing back to the cmd line
[15:39:34] <multixmp> Ran the cmd and it executed with no errors but showed nothing back to the cmd line  ??
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[15:45:22] <zinid> this means no certs
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[15:45:33] <multixmp> ??
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[15:46:02] <multixmp> But i got a pop up to accept the cert in my client
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[15:48:41] <zinid> no idea
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[15:49:47] <zinid> $ openssl s_client -connect your.server.address:5222 -starttls xmpp | openssl x509 -text -noout
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[15:49:52] <zinid> this will show the certificate
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[15:52:51] <multixmp> Yep
[15:53:38] <zinid> so you see the cert? Then you have some cert 🙂
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[15:56:48] <multixmp> Depth =0 C = FR, ST = Paris, L = Paris, O = ProcessOne, OU = IT, CN = localhost
Verify return = 1
Certificate:
Data:
...
Signature algorithm: sha...
Issuer: C = FR, ST = Paris, L = Paris, O = ProcessOne, OU = IT, CN = localhost
[15:57:07] <multixmp> Is this ok ??
[15:57:19] <multixmp> Is this ok ??
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[15:58:30] <zinid> ha, it's the one that is shipped with ejabberd package
[15:58:32] <zinid> it's self-signed
[15:58:50] <zinid> no, it's not okay, nobody will trust this certificate 😉
[15:58:59] <zinid> but as long as you have your client working, it's fine
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[16:00:19] <multixmp> Is it secure to use in the interim to secure OMEMO ??
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[16:03:43] <zinid> it is irrelevant
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[16:04:08] <zinid> OMEMO doesn't use any certificates, it generates keys itself
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[16:04:39] <multixmp> Sounds good
What is the certificate used for then  ?
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[16:14:05] <multixmp> Sounds good
What is the certificate used for then in relation to the Ejabberd  Server and Conversations client  ??
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[16:24:37] <zinid> multixmp, for transport connection, i.e. between a client and a server
[16:24:44] <zinid> just like between a browser and a web-server
[16:24:51] <zinid> same shit
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[20:58:56] <multixmp> 1) So if I am using the certificate that came with the install is the transport layer still encrypted like SSL  ??
2) Will the certificate issue fix itself if I assign a domain name to the ejabberd server  ??
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[21:01:46] <lovetox> multixmp, yes its encrypted
[21:02:00] <lovetox> but if you federate with other server they will not accept it
[21:02:27] <lovetox> if you have a domain, you can request a real certificate that other servers will accept
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[21:43:53] <multixmp> Thanks
[21:44:24] <multixmp> Any reason this MUC is not encrypted  ??
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[22:05:44] <Licaon_Kter> multixmp: by design, public access
Also this is logged, everyone can read it....
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[23:41:40] <multixmp> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: Are MUCs on a private ejabberd server Omemeo encrypted by default  ?
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[23:42:04] <multixmp> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: Are MUCs on a private ejabberd server Omemo encrypted by default  ?
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