Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, November 19, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[04:49:09] <Anonymous User> So I decided to use HAproxy instead of NGINX since it seems to have problems with SSL Passthrough
[04:49:43] <Anonymous User> My connections reach the server now, but for some reason ejabberd can't find certificates matching the domain in the SNI extension?
[04:49:46] <Anonymous User> https://privatebin.net/?19ab3f18361cb76d#Hz1oxRXxWmnBSQrmVueD8uqiYEUPjd9aCpPKB57VDUdv
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[04:50:36] <Anonymous User> I can basically get this to happen by doing "openssl s_client -connect jabber.example.com:5222 --starttls xmpp -xmpphost example.com", which emulates a proper StartTLS connection
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[04:54:12] <Anonymous User> I should also mention that ejabberd has the certificates for 'example.com', so I'm not exactly sure why it wouldn't be able to find it
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[04:57:49] <Anonymous User> There is also this when I connect a client to port 5222: https://privatebin.net/?e997d38063223368#FTMaFnYf9hUB6KveHZVrf9dDbp44TR3jVsM4Z7j3fLry
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[04:58:43] <Anonymous User> Not sure what's going wrong here, any insight would be helpful!
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[08:08:39] <zinid> `Failed to find a certificate matching the domain in SNI extension` means that ejabberd doesn't see any certifictate at all
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[10:51:43] <j.r> Is it normal that I get: `Authentication failed: Peer provided no SASL mechanisms; most likely it doesn't accept our certificate` in conversations although I don't see it in ejabberd logs?
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[10:52:20] <j.r> Oh no now I see the logs....
[10:53:07] <j.r> But wonder where the error is comming from.... the admin of the other server says that he doesn't even see a connection from my server in his logs....
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[11:03:10] <zinid> we don't know as well
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[11:03:28] <zinid> is your s2s certificate okay?
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[11:03:44] <zinid> try to connect to some ejabberd server, to conversations.im for example
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[11:36:53] <j.r> It works with all other servers
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[11:37:46] <j.r> Just between jugendhacker.de (my server) and netzspielplatz.de it does not work
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[11:38:07] <j.r> It seems they are using prosody...
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[11:39:01] <perflyst> About my avatar upload issue, I have set the recommended values ->
> max_stanza_size: Size:
> This option specifies an approximate maximum size in bytes of XML stanzas. Approximate, because it is calculated with the precision of one block of read data.
> For example {max_stanza_size, 65536}. The default value is infinity. Recommended values are 65536 for c2s connections and 131072 for s2s connections.
> s2s max stanza size must always much higher than c2s limit. Change this value with extreme care as it can cause unwanted disconnect if set too low.
This means I can only upload avatars smaller than 65kB with the recommended values. Why are these recommendations so low?
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[11:40:05] <perflyst> j.r: i have same errors in the log
[11:40:20] <perflyst> issue is quite sure on their side
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[11:44:20] <j.r> perflyst: but why they can't see the connection attempt from my side?
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[11:45:06] <j.r> Also one use send me a message from there and now I get this message ever 30 seconds or so again...
[11:45:19] <j.r> With the same timestamp...
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[11:46:30] <zinid> j.r, don't try to understand prosody, it doesn't even report what it doesn't like in your certificate 🙂
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[11:52:50] <Licaon_Kter> No dialback?
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[11:53:09] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, dialback is not secure (TM)
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[11:53:28] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah...at least it's not running Tigase
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[11:54:02] <j.r> > No dialback?
Not sure at the moment but I think I disabled it on my side....
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[12:01:58] <j.r> Licaon_Kter, it seems that I just set starttls to required.... but not sure if this is the problem
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[12:09:39] <Licaon_Kter> j.r:
> s2s_use_starttls: false|optional|required|required_trusted: This option defines if s2s connections don’t use STARTTLS encryption; if STARTTLS can be used optionally; if STARTTLS is required to establish the connection; or if STARTTLS is required and the remote certificate must be valid and trusted. Do note that required_trusted is deprecated and will be unsupported in future releases. Instead, set it to required and make sure mod_s2s_dialback is NOT loaded. The default value is to not use STARTTLS: false.
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[12:15:25] <j.r> Licaon_Kter, and I see dialback is not loaded.... so yeah no dialback
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[13:15:46] <Anonymous User> zinid: Shouldn't ejabberd provide one in the handshake response for STARTTLS?
[13:16:13] <Anonymous User> It's required for port 5222 and port 5269, so it would make sense
[13:16:17] <zinid> Anonymous User, ejabberd doesn't provide SNI and doesn't advertise its hostnames
[13:16:52] <zinid> look into wireshark, you will see what ejabberd receives
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[13:18:57] <Anonymous User> zinid, We don't need to, the ejabberd already logged what it recieved, it looks like this:
[13:19:01] <Anonymous User> <<"<stream:stream xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' xmlns='jabber:client' to='example.com' version='1.0'>">>
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[13:19:12] <zinid> I mean TLS traffic
[13:19:27] <Anonymous User> There is none, STARTTLS wasn't initated
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[13:19:51] <zinid> well that's false of course
[13:20:06] <zinid> 04:43:00.851 [info] (tcp|<0.4312.0>) Received XML on stream = <<"<starttls xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-tls'/>">>
04:43:00.851 [info] (tcp|<0.4312.0>) Send XML on stream = <<"<proceed xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-tls'/>">>
[13:20:23] <zinid> that's from your own log
[13:20:54] <Anonymous User> STARTTLS wasn't initated from that point is what I meant
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[13:21:30] <Anonymous User> I'm not entirely sure what should be in the initation header
[13:21:52] <Anonymous User> It looks like it's blank? So I'm guessing it wants a hostname to be there? But I'm not sure
[13:22:08] <Anonymous User> It kinda just stops, and I don't have a real clue why
[13:22:19] <zinid> to='example.com'
[13:22:52] <zinid> a client sends the server name in the stream header
[13:23:01] <zinid> then a client must use the same server name in SNI
[13:23:38] <zinid> I don't know if haproxy respects SNI actually
[13:23:57] <zinid> and I'm lost in your setup
[13:24:22] <Anonymous User> HAproxy def shouldn't be stripping it out or anything
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[13:24:42] <zinid> that's what I actually asked you to check using wireshar
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[13:25:23] <zinid> fuck, tcpdump -w file, then open the file in wireshark, you already lost more time debating here
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[13:26:36] <Anonymous User> Then I'll have to do it when I return home 8 hours from now
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[13:31:20] <zinid> I also told you already that ejabberd typically renders SNI warning when it sees *zero* certificates
[13:31:29] <zinid> but you insist there is one for example.com
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[14:38:44] <perflyst> j.r: does it work with wiuwiu?
[14:38:45] <perflyst> i have dialback but also enforce starttls
[14:42:02] <perflyst> > $ curl -I https://netzspielplatz.de/
HTTP/2 301
server: nginx
date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:41:33 GMT
content-type: text/html
content-length: 162
location: https://netzspielplatz.de/
[14:42:25] <perflyst> not even their site works, endless redirect
[14:42:30] <perflyst> so i wouldnt bother
[14:42:36] <perflyst> !info netzspielplatz.de
[14:42:37] <Servant> perflyst: netzspielplatz.de is running since 2 weeks 20 hours 29 minutes 40 seconds
netzspielplatz.de is running Prosody version 0.11.2 on Linux
netzspielplatz.de has no contact addresses configured.
[14:42:56] <perflyst> no contact, pff, just dont care about
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[14:52:53] <Holger> zinid: Is there a point in this gen_mod:is_loaded/2 check: <https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/19.09.1/src/mod_client_state.erl#L293>?
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[14:53:07] <Holger> The hook callback won't be called if the module isn't loaded, no?
[14:53:20] <zinid> ha, no, no point
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[14:54:35] <zinid> btw, here is some sketch of future ejabberd.yml manpage: http://upload.zinid.ru/ejabberd.yml.1.html
[14:54:45] <zinid> it will be generated automatically from the source code
[14:55:29] <Holger> Yay for generating from the source.
[14:55:46] <Holger> I hated docs since they went into a separate repo.
[14:56:36] <zinid> yeah, the main doc will only describe common behaviour, the detailed options will be in man page
[14:56:49] <Holger> Sounds good.
[14:57:53] <zinid> here is the manpage itself: http://upload.zinid.ru/ejabberd.yml.1
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[14:57:59] <zinid> use `man -l ejabberd.yml.1`
[14:58:19] <zinid> this is generated by asciidoc
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[14:59:52] <zinid> the asciidoc can be generated in runtime via `ejabberdctl asciidoc`, but manpage can be only generated if you have a2x installed (part of asciidoc package)
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[15:00:30] <zinid> so you kinda will always have the most recent documentation of the running ejabberd version 😉
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[15:12:06] <Holger> Very cool.
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[15:59:15] <perflyst> maybe the message got lost, can anyone tell me why max stanza size recommended value in the docs is so low (65kb)?
it looks like you cannot upload avatars bigger than that configured value as Daniel said yesterday
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[16:14:19] <Licaon_Kter [web]> perflyst Feel free to size it as you wish though
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.yml.example#L32
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[16:15:15] <perflyst> 0.26mb still seems to be quite low
[16:15:33] <perflyst> i mean a lot of photos you take with your phone have 1-3mb
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[20:21:47] <Licaon_Kter> perflyst, C'mon, share the photo, don't try to cram it in that thumbnail
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[20:22:27] <perflyst> hm? :D
it is not about me, someone else reported
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[20:22:46] <perflyst> just wanted to understand why the recommended value is so loe
[20:22:50] <perflyst> just wanted to understand why the recommended value is so low
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[20:47:44] <Holger> perflyst: On a server that federates with others you want to be somewhat sure remote servers won't reject the avatar due to its size. The RFC guarantees only 10k (actually 10,000 bytes) to be transmitted, and traditionally many servers were configured to not accept (much) more than that. Back in the days that was enough, and such historic limits are hard to bump on a federated network. Even today I'm not sure everyone wants to download several megabytes per contact on mobile.
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[20:49:09] <perflyst> Thank you for this information. which RFC are you talking about here?
[20:49:44] <perflyst> and is there nothing in an xep about compress avatar images client side?
[20:49:52] <Holger> RFC 6120 (XMPP Core).
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[20:50:16] <perflyst> i mean, who makes so small images these days
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[20:50:33] <Holger> No, the only way is using an image format with built-in compression.
[20:51:06] <Holger> One solution might be using something like HTTP Upload for avatars.
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[20:51:50] <perflyst> hm, but there is still the issue with downloading few mb with mobile data
[20:52:13] <perflyst> but good to know why the recommended limit is as it is, thanks :)
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[20:52:58] <Holger> Yup. I don't think you want avatars that have a size of several megabytes like you seem to suggest. But yes it would be nice to support something in between.
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[20:54:38] <perflyst> i have raised it to 5mb, but with that info i will lower to 1mb
the user had a 100kb image, not a big size tho
[20:55:03] <Holger> Yeah, "in between".
[20:55:23] <Holger> You'll already fail delivering that to many remote servers though.
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[20:56:24] <Holger> Moxie explained why avatars are hard in federated networks 🙂
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[20:58:20] <perflyst> the signal moxie? didnt found anything on gh, do you have a link maybe?
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[20:59:13] <Holger> Yeah. I was referring to his somewhat famous rant about federation. His main example was E2EE though, he didn't mention avatars 🙂
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[20:59:36] <Holger> https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
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