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[01:42:22] <kinetik> I upgraded to ejabberd-20.03 and postgresql-12.2. I also wiped the DB and initialized it using the schema available online. So far, I've had a couple people re-create their accounts and we are able to send/recieve messages and avatars, but no OMEMO. I'm wondering if this just takes time or if there is something I can do to debug this issue.
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[01:44:08] <kinetik> Our clients are:
Me: Conversations/Dino
User2: Conversations/Dino
User3: Conversations
[01:45:09] <kinetik> On Conversations, everyone is seeing "Something went wrong: Unable to fetch device list" when we try to use OMEMO
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[01:51:07] <kinetik> Here is my config: http://dpaste.com/05K9KNX
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[04:20:29] <ChaosKid42> kinetik: You simply need to remove these lines:
> "eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*":
>         access_model: whitelist
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[04:20:49] <kinetik> Oh, really haha
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[04:22:25] <kinetik> I thought that was necessary for OMEMO on some clients
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[04:26:59] <ChaosKid42> No. I believe theses lines just "turn off" OMEMO. And they have been removed from the example config:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/05d088b104d23726ec512c32e35eade44020e1ab#diff-19e0c10699732f76181f70cfbec95d38
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[04:32:12] <kinetik> Alright, I'll give it a shot
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[04:32:58] <kinetik> try `redshift -P` from the command line
[04:33:09] <kinetik> Sorry, wrong window!
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[05:05:51] <kinetik> ChaosKid42, it looks like that did the trick. Thanks!
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[05:10:02] <perflyst> hmm, there was never an update in https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2425
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[05:15:37] <ChaosKid42> kinetik: You're welcome.
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[09:25:59] <Martin Kollaard> Licaon_Kter: Just send messages between devices :P
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[10:52:14] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: umm?
[10:52:54] <Licaon_Kter> kinetik:
The new XEP revision for OMEMO recommends setting it to `open` instead of removing the lines.
[10:53:04] <Martin Kollaard> you asked my usecase, so we don't use ejabberd for normal chatting, more communication between devices and backend
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[11:12:46] <mss_cyclist> ChaosKid42,
>kinetik: You simply need to remove these lines:
> "eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*":
>         access_model: whitelist
Why is that? Afaik Holger mentioned this has to be access_model: open?
That is confusing
[11:13:53] <Holger> It doesn't _have_ to be open, but open helps under certain conditions.
[11:14:41] <Holger> Only corner case conditions.  But it doesn't hurt.
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[11:23:10] <Ellenor Malik> quack
[11:23:11] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
It was `simulcast` had to be disabled for Firefox (for now)
> One strange issue is that for JitsiMeet, Firefox doesn't get candidates in local LAN, it tries to connect external ip to local router (because NAT masq) or smth. But Vivaldi works ok...so not sure where the bug is.
[11:23:20] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: right
[11:23:31] <Ellenor Malik> Should I set up a Jitsi server?
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[11:23:56] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Ah yes. But that's unrelated to STUN/TURN stuff.
[11:23:57] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Malik: yes...no....maybe....certainly...why do you ask?
[11:24:23] <Ellenor Malik> because I want something to do.
[11:24:47] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: yes, I looked at older config.js and tested
Also tested HEAD and behaved the same, so it  wasn't an ejabberd issue
[11:25:15] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Malik: yes, do it, but not on Debian x86_64
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[11:25:40] <Ellenor Malik> I'm on HardenedBSD x86_64
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[11:26:16] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I blocked FF users at https://meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de for the time being.
[11:27:48] <Holger> But the Mozilla people are working on it.
[11:28:21] <Ellenor Malik> That sounds cruel.
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[11:31:27] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: works fine, windows and linux at least, but w/o simulcast
Why block them?
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[11:32:24] <Holger> Because they increase traffic considerable for all participants, i.e. they increase the likeliness of the whole conference to fall apart.
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[11:34:32] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: cause of missing Simulcast?
[11:34:36] <Holger> Seen it in practice more than once.  Meet feels rock-solid without FF and fragile as soon as you let FF users in.  And "pretty please dear user you'll be more happy if using another browser" doesn't work.  They'll click the warning away, stick to FF, see how Jitsi sucks and use Zoom.
[11:34:39] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Yes.
[11:35:26] <Licaon_Kter> I've switch them all to FF anyway, so I'd take the load than bringing Google back. Eh
[11:35:37] <Holger> :-)
[11:35:47] <Holger> Any Chromium-based browser should do FWIW.
[11:35:55] <Holger> Or the mobile app.
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[11:36:26] <Holger> But obviously I see how switching browsers just for a video conference is annoying.
[11:38:00] <mss_cyclist> I guess it would be easy to circumvent the blocking by changing the user agent of the browser. At least that is what I do to access the full version of Office365.
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[11:39:08] <Holger> Of course that would be easy.
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[16:03:23] <Murderous Winged Devil> I have added the "IM Channel" property on Wikidata, which accepts XMPP multi-chat addresses, too.
[16:03:42] <Murderous Winged Devil> https://prevete.ml:5443/upload/9b71cc9155a0da4d78039b90cd91fbbe3ae3fcec/uVOrz5EWvxitJnbECu9drANQgVKHlZxdveNkRSw3/ejabberd-im-channel.png
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[17:17:57] <newbie> In shaper_rules, hard_upload_quota and soft_upload_quota do they take Megabytes , Mebibyte or bytes?
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[17:38:29] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, ChaosKid42, rom1dep: I force-pushed an update into my `xep-0215` branch.  I changed a few things, so if any of you have the time & motivation to test the current version that would be awesome.  (If nobody stumbles over issues it's done, just unit tests to-do.)
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[17:42:01] <ChaosKid42> Holger: I'm not sure if I will be able to test tonight. But tomorrow for sure.
[17:43:18] <Holger> ChaosKid42: Thanks a lot.  There's no hurry, I won't push this in the next few days.
[17:43:25] <rom1dep> Holger: `hg pull holger --rev xep-0215`, my box will take some time to recompile it all
[17:43:34] <Holger> 👍
[17:44:27] <Holger> rom1dep: `hg pull` doesn't complain about rewritten history?
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[17:46:41] <rom1dep> Holger: no, never, mercurial can access all its history at all time (and doesn't care whether you have "bookmarked" it with a branch pointer). All it does when syncing like this with git repos is leaving you with anonymous heads (aka heads without a branch pointer).
[17:48:19] <Holger> Ah.
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[17:56:01] <Licaon_Kter> Rebuilding now, got Conversations build earlier, will need to check SRVs and config later
[17:56:43] <rom1dep> had the remote been a mercurial repo, it would have synced the log of rewritten history (= how each commit was rewritten into what), so in case my working dir ended up superseded somehow, mercurial knows the path back to a stable state (and how to rebase any series of commit I could have built on top of something someone rewrote).
It's neat :)… but there we are, git won itself a monopoly so we can't have nice version control system features anymore!
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[18:04:34] <Holger> I'm not going to bite 😜
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[18:09:13] <Holger> And even if I'd consider Git an inferior solution (it no doubt is in some aspects) I'm quite happy that I don't need to learn a new system for each and every project I want to contribute a little patch to. So as long as we don't have a standard spec to make them all interop I'm personally kinda happy about a monopoly, be it git or hg or whatever.
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[18:09:47] <rom1dep> ^^ that's not even to start a fanboy war, I observe that wherever there is a monopoly, accessible innovation stalls :)
[18:10:27] <rom1dep> I've seen so much bikeshedding in the VCS world that I don't believe a standard UI could emerge
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[18:11:44] <Holger> I think that's less of an issue with open source software where innovation doesn't hard-depend on $$$. CVS and Subversion didn't survive either. But yes the monopoly effects aren't zero.
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[18:13:17] <Holger> But I do think you can kick Git in the ass by coming up with something entirely new/better. hg is not this because it's too similar, even if you're right that it's superior in some ways.
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[18:16:56] <rom1dep> in all, it took me long and painful years to use git proficiently, I can't say I master it because it keeps surprising me in weird ways (and anything slightly off the beaten track feels like a cargo cult), … while OTOH I've onboarded several new users on mercurial in a matter of hours. Hg has thg/tortoisehg (= a very good GUI) which serves as a visual tour of all its convenient and useful features/commands, I can't say I've seen anything comparable in gitland (and git's several layers of abstraction and lexical inconsistencies certainly doesn't make the task easy).
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[18:19:46] <rom1dep> I don't think we will see anything disruptive anytime soon in the VCS landscape, and that's what it'll take to compel git to innovate/make it become irrelevant
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[18:27:46] <rom1dep> mercurial found itself booming in some niches, typically where git is too slow to be competitive (monstrous monorepos at google/facebook scale), and all innovation goes into removing the D of DVCS (which is a step backwards IMHO).
After some time git may end-up copying all the niceties of hg, and perhaps could come-up with a consistent CLI, and good GUIs, I think the next challenges are in the higher layers, built on top of version control systems (semantic merging, finer CI/CD, …)
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[18:28:05] <rom1dep> Holger: so, I can have phone calls it appears :)
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[18:33:22] <Holger> Yay.
[18:34:28] <Holger> One thing I didn't get to testing is config reloading (which isn't as trivial as usual given the module also has to read the listener config).
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[18:36:11] <Holger> So if you change your listeners I'm not yet 100% sure a reload will pick up the changes correctly.  But I'll test that myself tomorrow.
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[18:46:09] <rom1dep> Holger: I commented-out the stun/turn stuff, reloaded, it told me about no longer accepting connections there. After that I can ring devices but they fail to connect.
As soon as I uncomment+reload, it's back to ringing+connecting, no restart in between.
Any other ideas of test cases?
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[19:01:25] <Holger> rom1dep: Sounds perfect, thanks a lot.
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