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[03:32:16] <ChaosKid42> Holger: Somehow your new version does not seem to work for me. But unable to really go deeper tonight. Gonna try again tomorrow...
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[05:57:02] <Licaon_Kter> Holger, ChaosKid42: works here, finally got the time to test, thanks
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[06:20:13] <ChaosKid42> Licaon_Kter, Holger: I can confirm that it doesn't work for me. ejabberd seems to advertise the internal IP as turn_ip.
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[06:21:11] <ChaosKid42> See here: https://gist.github.com/ChaosKid42/f6b18fdd157bb21d38c3c283bdca25f0
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[06:21:59] <ChaosKid42> my listener-config:
>  -
>    port: 3478
>    module: ejabberd_stun
>    ip: "192.168.96.2"
>    transport: udp
>    use_turn: true
>    turn_ip: "173.249.39.155"
>    turn_min_port: 49152
>    turn_max_port: 49252
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[06:31:31] <Licaon_Kter> ChaosKid42: i'll put my config asap
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[06:36:43] <ChaosKid42> Licaon_Kter: I believe the problem arises from the fact the the IP of the local interface is different from the server's public IP.
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[06:53:06] <Holger> ChaosKid42: Ah sorry, yes that's exactly the issue.  The module now announces the `ip` rather than `turn_ip`, if `ip` is not 0.0.0.0.
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[06:56:19] <Holger> I could just revert to preferring `turn_ip`.  However there'll be cases where this goes wrong (and admins will have to configure the `services` manually) either way.
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[06:58:06] <ChaosKid42> Well either way there has to be an option that allows to override the announced IP to make it work behind a NAT.
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[06:59:02] <ChaosKid42> But I could also try to set up to 0.0.0.0. maybe that'll do the trick. Let me test ...
[06:59:10] <ChaosKid42> But I could also try to set ip to 0.0.0.0. maybe that'll do the trick. Let me test ...
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[07:10:03] <Licaon_Kter> ChaosKid42: i don't announce an ip so it's basically 0.0.0.0
[07:10:16] <Holger> Yes that should do the trick.
[07:11:42] <Holger> But yeah maybe I should revert to preferring the turn_ip. Even thought that's kinda "incorrect".
[07:12:17] <Holger> > Well either way there has to be an option that allows to override the announced IP to make it work behind a NAT.
You can always configure the list of announced services manually, if all else fails.
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[07:42:15] <ChaosKid42> Holger: Setting ip to 0.0.0.0 works for me. Thanks.
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[07:44:02] <Holger> I could ignore `ip` if it's in a private IP address range but that starts becoming a bit meh.
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[07:45:51] <Holger> I was kinda hoping admins won't explicitly set a private `ip` but if it only takes three people testing the module to run into it I guess I have lost 🙂
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[07:49:19] <ChaosKid42> What would the ejabberd example config look like? Leaving out ip and turn_ip. This would work, if the local ip interface equals the public ip, right?
[07:51:51] <ChaosKid42> The only reason I set a private ip for `ip` was due to the fact that `::` didn't work.
[07:52:42] <ChaosKid42> (which seems to be the default for the other listeners).
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[07:57:39] <Holger> ChaosKid42: I suggested this default config in a PR: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/3232/files#diff-19e0c10699732f76181f70cfbec95d38R60
[07:59:29] <Holger> ChaosKid42: This will work out of the box (even without the admin setting the `turn_ip` as suggested in that comment) if `hostnamme --fqdn` resolves to the public IP address (I changed ejabberd_stun to use the result as the default `turn_ip`).
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[07:59:52] <Holger> ChaosKid42: And the `ip` default is 0.0.0.0.  In which case mod_stun_disco will fall back to the `turn_ip`.
[08:00:36] <Holger> ChaosKid42: "::" doesn't work for ejabberd_stun because no IPv6 support.  Neustradamus and genofire are complaining loudly on GitHub as well :-)
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[08:01:15] <ChaosKid42> Well. So I guess this should work in most cases. And if not, it's obvious what the admin has to do. So great.
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[08:08:39] <Holger> Yes all this will work in most cases.  I'm just trying to figure out how to take care of as many corner cases as possible.
[08:09:36] <Holger> But yes there will always remain some cases where auto-discovery will go wrong and the admin will have to specify the mod_stun_dico `services:` manually (and set `offer_local_services: false`).
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[08:15:03] <Holger> I think I'll go for ignoring `ip` if it's a private address.  Will just break the case where admins _wanted_ the private address to be published because they're using this stuff within a LAN or something.
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[08:32:33] <ChaosKid42> > But yes there will always remain some cases where auto-discovery will go wrong and the admin will have to specify the mod_stun_dico `services:` manually (and set `offer_local_services: false`).
Is it possible to use the auto-generated short term turn-credentials in that case?
[08:34:50] <ChaosKid42> > I think I'll go for ignoring `ip` if it's a private address.  Will just break the case where admins _wanted_ the private address to be published because they're using this stuff within a LAN or something.
I'm not sure why, but this doesn't feel right for me. Publishing an ip from a private address space might be a legitimate way to go in cases of closed networks etc.
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[08:36:37] <ChaosKid42> Wai. In case of a private ip I can always publish that by using turn_ip, right?
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[08:46:26] <Holger> > Is it possible to use the auto-generated short term turn-credentials in that case?
Sounds like a misunderstanding?  The XEP-0215 client will always use auto-generated short-term creds for TURN.  The whole question is just about mod_stun_disco auto-figuring out what STUN/TURN IP address to publish.
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[08:57:41] <Holger> > In case of a private ip I can always publish that by using turn_ip, right?
Yes.
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[09:07:04] <ChaosKid42> > Sounds like a misunderstanding?  The XEP-0215 client will always use auto-generated short-term creds for TURN.  The whole question is just about mod_stun_disco auto-figuring out what STUN/TURN IP address to publish.
Ok. Thanks for the clarification. So I think that settles all the issues.
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[09:19:58] <Holger> ChaosKid42: https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd/commit/06321772424
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[09:29:32] <marc> Holger: is there anything else I need execpt for your xep215 branch for a/v?
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[09:36:28] <Holger> marc: No.
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[09:37:52] <Holger> marc: Obviously the ports must be accessible, including the UDP high ports (turn_min/max_port).
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[09:38:46] <marc> Maybe I have some time to test it tonight
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[09:41:01] <Holger> Right, I just fear people might block by default using iptables and forgot to open those high ports.
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[10:03:40] <ChaosKid42> Holger:
> ChaosKid42: https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd/commit/06321772424
Works for me.
[10:05:22] <Holger> ChaosKid42: I'll keep it that way then.  Thanks again for testing.  That saved users of Docker & friends quite a bit of trouble I guess.
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[10:17:11] <ChaosKid42> Holger: You're welcome. Glad I could be of some help.
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[10:22:30] <rom1dep> raver: I respect fossil a lot for being successful in an interesting niche, but I couldn't consider it suitable for my own needs or recommend it to someone else over hg/git :)
> ‎Holger‎: I was kinda hoping admins won't explicitly set a private `ip`
perhaps that can be avoided by updating ejabberd.yml with "good" defaults?
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[10:23:05] rom1dep too much backlog already to read it all at lunch break
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[10:27:10] <Holger> rom1dep: The defaults will hopefully work for 80% of the deployments out of the box already.  This is just us trying to increase that number to 86,7% :-)
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[10:31:59] <rom1dep> Holger: yeah, what I meant is that like every new release, admins will diff what happened in ejabberd.yml.example and in whatever.sql and adapt their conf accordingly. AFAICT, there is nothing in listeners for stun/turn so adding something could avoid people digging up oudated conf from google and such :)
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[11:09:34] <Holger> rom1dep, I was talking about my _plans_, not about the status quo 🙂
[11:09:53] <Holger> rom1dep, https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/3232
[11:11:07] <Holger> rom1dep, https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/b54a63a3f/ejabberd.yml.example#L60-L67
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[11:55:51] <rom1dep> for ip (not turn_ip) couldn't it be "::" like above?
[11:56:23] <rom1dep> it itches my OCD :)
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[12:01:58] <Holger> No, as ejabberd_stun doesn't support IPv6.
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[12:02:55] <Holger> I could just remove the `ip:` line as 0.0.0.0 is the default.  But would be inconsistent with the other listeners ...
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[12:08:11] <Natureshadow> Hey there! Following issue with an ejabberd cluster and two nodes behind HAProxy:
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[12:09:35] <Natureshadow> http_upload does not work if the upload via HTTP happens on a different node than the one that allocated the slot. This happens because stupid clients are stupid and sometimes connect to XMPP with IPv4 but to HTTP with IPv6, and the load balancer cannot correlate the connections.
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[12:09:54] <Natureshadow> The other node than says the slot is invalid
[12:10:23] <Natureshadow> My understanding thus was that all nodes share the same state, maybe with a short delay?
[12:12:04] <Holger> Natureshadow: Not all state, no. The upload state isn't shared.
[12:12:26] <Natureshadow> Mhmm...
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[12:12:42] <Natureshadow> Soooo, can we fix it ;)?
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[12:13:11] <Holger> Natureshadow: I wanted to change the design so no state is required for this. Like when you use the `external_secret` feature. Which would be my suggestion for your case.
[12:13:24] <Holger> Natureshadow: How do you handle the downloads thow?
[12:13:50] <Natureshadow> Shared storage via CephFS
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[12:15:19] <Holger> Natureshadow: Ah. Yes then `external_secret` with some server-side script/module that supports this should do the trick.
[12:15:29] <rom1dep> Holger: I'd be +1 in removing the line containing `ip` altogether as it does look inconsistent, but less so :)
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[12:16:42] <Natureshadow> Uh, https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/modules/ throws 404?
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[12:21:39] <Holger> Natureshadow: Where's that link from?
[12:22:17] <Natureshadow> From https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration
[12:22:56] <Licaon_Kter> badlop, ^^^ confirmed broken
[12:23:29] <Holger> Ah maybe trailing slash issue.
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[12:23:49] <Holger> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/
[12:24:00] <Holger> Then it works. Seen that elsewhere.
[12:24:38] <Holger> Natureshadow: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_http_upload_external
[12:24:46] <Holger> "Implementations"
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[12:31:07] <Natureshadow> Yeah, we will try that
[12:31:09] <Natureshadow> Thanks!
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[12:42:55] <Holger> rom1dep, ah "::" is not the default so it makes sense to set that explicitly for other listeners, while 0.0.0.0 _is_ the default.  I'll remove the line.
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[12:43:16] <Licaon_Kter> > Ah maybe trailing slash issue.
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[13:49:09] <badlop> Natureshadow: Uh, https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/modules/ throws 404? <-- where di you find that link?
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[13:52:37] <Holger> badlop, see the following conversation 🙂
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[13:53:38] <Holger> badlop, I think generally many/all links are broken if you access a page without traling slash, e.g. https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration ...
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[13:54:57] <Natureshadow> I already answered that
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[13:55:52] <Holger> Natureshadow, though the question might be where you found a link to https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration 😉
[13:56:07] <Holger> But this should of course be fixed either way.
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[14:01:48] <badlop> I already answered that <-- you didn't provide enough information to consider the question answered; notice that ejabberd.im links to docs.ejabberd.im which links to docs.ejabberd.im/admin/ which then links to docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/ etc. So the question remains unanswered: where did you find a link to the documentation site without trailing slash?
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[14:03:51] <Holger> badlop: I'm not him but wouldn't it be easy to fix? I think you can easily end up at a URL without slash.
[14:04:53] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> I blocked FF users at https://meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de for the time being.
Regarding my issue w/ Firefox, the answer is here: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/6230#issuecomment-616855160
Simulcast or Privacy....you decide. :)
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[14:05:06] <Holger> (My browser's title bar auto-expands them that way, presumably because they were without slash in the past.)
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[14:05:51] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: The problem with Jitsi isn't solved by enabling that option though.
[14:06:16] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: I'll have to test though, brb
[14:06:31] <genofire> Holger, is it allowed to ask, whats your state of this branch https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd/tree/xep-0215 ? - do we see a PR in near future ?
[14:06:49] <Licaon_Kter> genofire: once "tests" are done iirc
[14:07:02] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: FF is missing a WebRTC feature that Jitsi's way on doing Simulcast depends on.
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[14:07:22] <Holger> I heard that FF 77 is supposed to get it (but not yet sure).
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[14:07:38] <Holger> genofire: It will most probably go into the next release.
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[14:21:07] <Licaon_Kter> Looks like at least it doesn't crash, w/o that privacy feature disabled.
[14:21:12] <Licaon_Kter> Looks like at least it doesn't crash, w/ that privacy feature disabled.
[14:22:02] <Natureshadow> badlop, ah, that. you asked where I found the link to the *moduels* page. The link to the configuration overview I found by using a well-known search engine with "ejabberd http_upload configuration as input ;)
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[14:25:13] <badlop> it be easy to fix? <-- yes, it'll just be half an hour to update the docs site for recent or old relative URLs; and that will ensure the problem goes away forever, like with webadmin past week; i just want to know _where_ the first wrong URL was originated, it's personal curiosity, and it's easier to reply to that than anything else
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[14:27:35] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: works with simulcast, but the video quality looks terrible, so yeah, hope they fix it.
It should improve throughput or lower bridge load?
[14:28:19] <Holger> badlop, sorry, half an hour is way more than I expected (I was thinking of web server redirects when URLs without slash are accessed; or some `sed` call to fix URLs?).  And of course I didn't want to stop Natureshadow from responding, I'd be interested myself.
[14:28:56] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, actually bad video sounds like yet another unrelated issue \o/
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[14:29:46] <badlop> first result in google and duckduck for ejabberd http_upload configuration returns: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/
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[14:32:33] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, the usual issue, as I understand it, is quite the opposite: the problem is that FF can't simulcast multiple resolutions (efficiently) to the Videobridge, which will lead to the Videobridge broadcasting everyone FF's max-quality resolution regardless of the recipient's network conditions, which can more easily make everything fall apart esp. with multiple FF users.
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[14:35:15] <Natureshadow> badlop, I may be a moron, but my view is that fixing the apparent issue with the docs server serving documents with broken links depending on $something might be more worthwhile than discussing and debugging why some search enginge returns different (valid) URLs ins different cases :)
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[14:38:27] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: right, well the load looked lower somewhat, but the quality was way worse, anyway will retest when things improve
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[16:56:53] <marc> Holger: A/V with your branch workd like a charm! Thanks a lot!
[16:57:05] <Holger> marc, cool, thanks for testing!
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[17:16:00] <genofire> Holger, i do not meant release,i just mean when it is upstream in master xD
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[17:17:51] <marc> Holger: there are no log messages for STUN/TURN, right?
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[17:32:45] <Holger> genofire, I'm not sure yet.  However builds from source can just pull from my branch, no?
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[17:33:20] <Holger> marc, there should be a log message on successful TURN authentication.  (With the current processone/stun code; which should be pulled in if using my branch.)
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[17:34:12] <Holger> marc, there's no log message for STUN requests (except debug messages, but you'd have to enable those at processone/stun compile time).
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[17:35:04] <marc> Okay, then no TURN was involved I guess :)
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[17:37:17] <Holger> marc, I always need TURN when at least one side is in a mobile network ...
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[17:38:12] <daniel> You can also check Conversations logs
[17:38:22] <daniel> > marc, I always need TURN when at least one side is in a mobile network ...
I've made the same experience
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[17:39:39] <Holger> `[notice] <0.248.0> accepted long-term STUN authentication for 1587110201:ef088002a56029fb@messaging.one from 80.187.84.20:23671`
[17:39:45] <marc> Okay, thanks I will check the logs. I was on the same wifi bit with emulated Android
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[17:39:59] <marc> Okay, thanks I will check the logs. I was on the same wifi but with emulated Android
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[17:41:38] <Holger> And `mod_stun_disco` should also log an `[info]` line when handing out credentials. So you can grep for (in this example) `ef088002a56029fb` to match the STUN auth to a JID.
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[17:44:53] <marc> Wow, this would mean not even STUN was used? I have no log entry from mod_stun_disco
[17:45:30] <Holger> Do you have `loglevel: 4`?
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[17:46:21] <marc> I have to check, at least I have info messages
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[17:48:54] <Holger> Weird.
[17:49:22] <Holger> Do you have Gajim or something with an XML console?
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[17:50:04] <Holger> If so you could use example 1 in XEP-0215 to check whether `mod_stun_disco` works at all.
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[18:08:01] <marc> Holger, yep it works. Tested it with the Gajim XML console
[18:08:07] <marc> Holger, log level is 3
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[18:08:21] <Holger> Ah, yes with 3 nothing will be logged.
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[18:09:14] <marc> Okay, will increase it then. Thanks :)
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[18:13:17] <Licaon_Kter> > `[notice] <0.248.0> accepted long-term STUN authentication for `
Saw this yes...
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[18:27:19] <badlop> <Natureshadow> badlop, I may be a moron, but my view is <--- you're right in that reasoning, in fact it's already fixed
[18:27:35] <badlop> But you're missing one point: I made a simple question for reasons that you do not know, adhere, care or understand. Anyway, I insisted in it several times and it's still unanswered.
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[18:28:14] <badlop> I asume you won't answer my initial question, what about this one: don't I deserve my curiosity to be satisfied?
[18:28:21] <badlop> In other words: are more valuable 5 minutes of your time than 30 minutes of mine?
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[18:56:48] <genofire> Holger, would you make a favor for me? push in your https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd also the last git tags ?
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[19:18:41] <Natureshadow> Holger: http upload issue fixed using your nginx module approach
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[19:21:13] <ij> btw, yesterday a new binary was released for prosody-filer that fixes error code 201/200 issue
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[21:33:43] <Holger> genofire, you're aware that you can just do stuff like `git remote add weiss https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd.git` in your existing clone of the ProcessOne repo?
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[21:34:33] <Holger> genofire, anyway I pushed the tags into `weiss/ejabberd`.
[21:36:01] <Licaon_Kter> genofire, you want to build this on top of other older releases besides HEAD?
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