Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, May 4, 2020< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[02:28:00] <Amolith> On Tuesday, I'm planning to upgrade my ejabberd server. I'm dreading it
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[02:28:09] <Amolith> It's all the way on 18.12.1
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[02:52:51] <kinetik> Is there something that needs to be enabled on ejabberd to get Conversations voice calls to work? I tried with a friend's phone on the same wifi and it failed after a while of "connecting"
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[06:00:47] <ChaosKid42> kinetik: https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/a28c438d9bbf3f4a3d4c663ffaa224d9
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[06:42:42] <Licaon_Kter> badlop why do I need to login to Jira to see https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/guide/databases/ ?
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[06:49:07] <Licaon_Kter> Amolith: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/upgrade/#specific-version-upgrade-notes
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[07:10:58] <badlop> why do I need to login to Jira to see <-- databases/ had only a mysql tutorial, so i moved it to https://docs.ejabberd.im/tutorials/mysql/
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[07:13:40] <Licaon_Kter> badlop: then the last link on this page needs fixing
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/installation/
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[07:13:56] <Licaon_Kter> "Step by step..."
[07:14:11] <badlop> ah, right
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[07:29:25] <badlop> ah, i already removed that old link past week, no idea why it was still shown in the docs
https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im/commit/7212dd362107719c95ef148a5c7088c9b7d59297#diff-eeee25b52674af4df93f278c8d2ac1a4L472
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[07:29:46] <badlop> it's fixed now, i guess the page was not yet regenerated
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[08:56:59] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> moring ladies
[08:57:24] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: you're timezone insensitive :(
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[08:58:11] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> what u mean? here in France it's 10:58
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[09:18:19] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: xmpp is a global phenomenon!!!! :)
[09:19:10] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i agree :)
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[09:46:03] <mightyBroccoli> where I am from ( northern part of germany )  there is a magic word called "moin" you can say it at any time, to any occasion to essentially anyone.
it is just hello how are you and the beauty is you can reply with moin as an answer.
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[10:18:59] <Licaon_Kter> You had me at hello :))
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[11:01:36] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/nRxEcQqBq2BR5DvF7WP271Ej45jOg0uZSVHtDzti/p6bkME38TJ2zuFAOyu-Gbg.jpg
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[11:17:10] <Holger> Nah, mixing both is best.
[11:17:33] <Holger> Doing so _sometimes_ is bestest.
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[15:34:16] <marc> Holger, any known problems with 20.04?
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[15:34:32] <Holger> I'm not aware of anything bad.
[15:34:47] <marc> Okay, thanks!
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[15:35:49] <Holger> If you ignore that tabs are used indentation of the code.
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[15:36:28] <Holger> *for
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[15:36:56] <marc> I never understood the coding style in ejabberd :D
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[15:37:04] <marc> A strange mixture of tabs and spaces
[15:37:18] <Holger> I hate it too.  Emacs default.
[15:37:45] <Holger> (Came up because Neustradamus noticed it now.)
[15:37:47] <marc> Is there no *erlang* coding style like for Python?
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[15:38:40] <Holger> You mean like PEP 8, or something Emacs-specific?
[15:39:02] <marc> Yep, like PEP 8
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[15:39:13] <jeybe> Btw one know when 20.04 will be available in Debian's Backport repo?
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[15:40:05] <jeybe> And are there reasons one should use an external STUN/TURN Server over the one that is shipping with ejabberd and vice versa?
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[15:41:10] <Holger> marc: There's https://github.com/inaka/erlang_guidelines/blob/master/README.md which is sane and suggests two-space indentation.  But ejabberd's code is older, and I think back then the de-facto standard for functional progamming languagues really was "whatever Emacs does".
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[15:41:49] <Holger> And changing it now would yield another monster commit that you'll stumble over whenever trying to use the Git history to understand a line of code.
[15:42:02] <Holger> (Like the binarization commit which I haaaate.)
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[15:42:53] <marc> Holger: would you suggest to use that coding style for new code?
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[15:43:16] <Holger> I guess I'd go for it because it's somewhat accepted (not quite like PEP 8 though).
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[15:44:12] <Holger> Personally I'd actually like *three* space indentation for Erlang :-)  Would align up nicely with 'fun' and 'if' blocks, for example.
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[15:45:20] <Holger> But seems an odd number of spaces is a no-go for some reason.  Not quite sure there's actually something bad about it.
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[15:46:07] <Holger> jeybe: ejabberd's TURN server is minimalistic, coturn is full-featured.
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[15:46:56] <Holger> jeybe: Conversations/libwebrtc doesn't use any of the additional coturn features, except for v6 support, which may well be a reason to use coturn currently (I'm adding v6 to ejabberd's right now).
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[15:49:15] <Holger> jeybe: Otherwise I don't really see pros or cons.  With ejabberd's TURN you'll get TURN auth messages within your ejabberd.log ... and you obviously avoid a separate daemon process, which might be good or bad in theory and probably irrelevant in practice.
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[15:50:40] <Holger> Seems the coturn people have put quite some energy in optimizing the hell out of the TCP/UDP stacks with TURN in mind; while ejabberd's TURN is a simple Erlang server which relies on Erlang optimizing the hell out of the network stack (without TURN in mind).
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[15:52:02] <jeybe> Ok, so one does basically nothing wrong with either of both
[15:52:12] <jeybe> Thank you
[15:52:15] <Holger> Right.
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[16:07:05] <marc> Holger: okay, good to know
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