Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, May 14, 2020< ^ >
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[04:46:07] <jeybe> No more: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1144096/accepted-ejabberd-2004-1bpo101-source-amd64-into-buster-backports/
Thanks a lot deblance!
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[10:29:13] <Alacer> Though I do not use Deb any more but I know Someone eagrly awaiting the Deb Pacakge...
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[10:36:44] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> morning ladies :)
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[10:36:51] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[10:36:52] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 20.04.11 on unix/linux 5.4.0
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[10:37:03] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !info emevth.no-ip.biz
[10:37:03] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz is running since 13 hours 33 minutes 46 seconds
emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 20.04.11 on unix/linux 5.4.0
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[10:45:33] <Licaon_Kter> > Though I do not use Deb any more but I know Someone eagrly awaiting the Deb Pacakge...
I guess we should count again next week
https://compliance.conversations.im/test/turn/
👍
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[11:16:33] <mfoss> hmm I have a strange question about stun/turn and audio-video calling.
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[11:16:48] <Holger> mfoss: Go ahead 🙂
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[11:17:10] <mfoss> my domain is using ejabberd 20.03, so without built-in stun/turn server.
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[11:18:06] <mfoss> i made a test and was able without problems and quite instantly establish a video call between two users of my domain with Conversation client. Does Conversation offload audio-video to 3rd party servers?
[11:18:39] <Holger> mfoss: It doesn't. I guess you tested within your local network. It usually works without STUN/TURN then.
[11:19:19] <mfoss> Aah, I see! So stun/turn is needed to punch through NAT etc?
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[11:20:02] <mfoss> Even weirder I was able to receive video call on BeagleIM (macOS) from Conversations, but attempting to call from BeagleIM to Conversation hangs during accepting. I guess Beagle has some issues with implementation there.
[11:20:02] <Holger> Right.
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[11:20:35] <mfoss> Holger: thanks for explanation, i need to test further then.
[11:20:36] <Holger> mfoss: Yeah they are still fighting with interop.
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[11:22:54] <Holger> mfoss: You will need STUN to figure out your external IP address if your client is behind a NAT.  If possible a p2p connection is established via that external IP.  Depending on the NAT type, this will fail, and for those cases you'll also need TURN.
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[11:23:35] <Holger> mfoss: But Conversations will neither discover STUN nor TURN servers without mod_stun_disco.
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[11:24:11] <mfoss> Holger: thanks, I will be updating to ejabberd 20.04 and see if it’s easy to configure.
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[11:27:36] <Holger> mfoss: The new example config should usually work out of the box, except you should set the ejabberd_stun's listener option `turn_ip:` to your server's external IPv4 address.  And you will want to modify the default shaper values as otherwise stream establishment will be _really_ slow: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/3255#issuecomment-627851039
[11:27:54] <Holger> mfoss: Let me know if you run into any trouble.
[11:28:29] <mfoss> Holger: sure, thanks!
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[11:33:48] <debalance> I uploaded binary packages for amd64 last night, all other architectures should be available *soon* ™ :
https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=ejabberd%2Cejabberd-contrib%2Cerlang-base64url%2Cerlang-goldrush%2Cerlang-idna%2Cerlang-jose%2Cerlang-lager%2Cerlang-luerl%2Cerlang-p1-acme%2Cerlang-p1-cache-tab%2Cerlang-p1-eimp%2Cerlang-p1-iconv%2Cerlang-p1-mqtree%2Cerlang-p1-mysql%2Cerlang-p1-oauth2%2Cerlang-p1-pam%2Cerlang-p1-pgsql%2Cerlang-p1-pkix%2Cerlang-p1-sip%2Cerlang-p1-sqlite3%2Cerlang-p1-stringprep%2Cerlang-p1-stun%2Cerlang-p1-tls%2Cerlang-p1-utils%2Cerlang-p1-xml%2Cerlang-p1-xmpp%2Cerlang-p1-yaml%2Cerlang-p1-yconf%2Cerlang-p1-zlib%2Cerlang-redis-client%2Cerlang-unicode-util-compat&suite=buster-backports&comaint=yes
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[11:35:43] <debalance> Regarding 20.04 for buster-backports: I uploaded binary packages for amd64 last night, all other architectures should be available *soon* ™ :
https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=ejabberd%2Cejabberd-contrib%2Cerlang-base64url%2Cerlang-goldrush%2Cerlang-idna%2Cerlang-jose%2Cerlang-lager%2Cerlang-luerl%2Cerlang-p1-acme%2Cerlang-p1-cache-tab%2Cerlang-p1-eimp%2Cerlang-p1-iconv%2Cerlang-p1-mqtree%2Cerlang-p1-mysql%2Cerlang-p1-oauth2%2Cerlang-p1-pam%2Cerlang-p1-pgsql%2Cerlang-p1-pkix%2Cerlang-p1-sip%2Cerlang-p1-sqlite3%2Cerlang-p1-stringprep%2Cerlang-p1-stun%2Cerlang-p1-tls%2Cerlang-p1-utils%2Cerlang-p1-xml%2Cerlang-p1-xmpp%2Cerlang-p1-yaml%2Cerlang-p1-yconf%2Cerlang-p1-zlib%2Cerlang-redis-client%2Cerlang-unicode-util-compat&suite=buster-backports&comaint=yes
[11:35:54] <Licaon_Kter> What a link...
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[11:36:58] <ij> @mfoss: funny… for me it’s the other way around: siskin -> conversations is working, but conversations -> siskin is always telling me something like „locating devices“
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[11:50:35] <Holger> Yeah I think the latter is the expected case; and that one is presumably fixed in Siskin's current code.
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[12:08:00] <mfoss> Holger: hypothetically, if all devices were connected to the same VPN with all traffic routed through it, would it work without stun/turn just like on the local network?
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[12:08:56] <mfoss> (VPN as in a real virtual private network that companies use to connect to the office, not a commercial VPN to hide your IP).
[12:09:39] <Holger> mfoss: It should work whenever the necessary UDP ports on the peer's IP address are directly reachable.  Depends on whether that's the case in that VPN.
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[12:16:14] <mfoss> Holger: Ok, thanks!
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[14:06:26] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Dear fellas as I have a bunch of registration on my server .. obviously bots I was thinking for what purpose someone would make this .. my idea ddos  attacks , might that possible ?
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[14:08:36] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Dos attacks sorry
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[14:14:47] <Neustradamus_> ij: Tigase support here: xmpp:tigase@muc.tigase.org?join
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[14:19:44] <ij> @Neustradamus_ what are you complaining about?
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[14:22:27] <Neustradamus_> If you have problem with XMPP clients...
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[14:24:41] <ij> @Neustradamus_ and your point is exactly what? especially when compared to mfloss’ message at 13:20: „Even weirder I was able to receive video call on BeagleIM (macOS) from Conversations, but attempting to call from BeagleIM to Conversation hangs during accepting. I guess Beagle has some issues with implementation there.“ - I don’t see you complaining to him as well…
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[14:25:20] <ij> … and which was reason for my comment at 13:36
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[14:26:29] <ij> and thx, I know where the Tigase MUC is, because I’m in there for months already…
[14:26:32] <Licaon_Kter> ij: do report bugs, faster, harder, just do it
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[14:29:48] <Martin> I need to make a xmpp bot that sends data to connected applications, now I wonder what is better to do, connecting as a component or as a normal client. Don’t know what the advantages are as a component
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[15:23:45] <Holger> Marcel: Depends on the data :-)  The component will receive all stanzas in all namespace and is free to handle them in arbitrary ways.  That's not true for clients.
[15:24:13] <Holger> Marcel: Advantage of clients is that you don't need a server admin for the setup, obviously.
[15:24:24] <Holger> s/Marcel/Martin/
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[15:25:31] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, ij: Importentest is to report them repeatedly.  And don't give up just because the issue is fixed already (like it is in this case I think).
[15:25:31] <Martin> Ah yes, I’m the server admin so that is not a problem
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[15:29:06] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: umm, which one? Or in general?
[15:29:54] <daniel> Martin: I've started to write this https://github.com/xmpp-docs/simple-muc-component-java/blob/master/README.md#components-vs-bots a while ago
[15:30:01] <daniel> Maybe it helps in making that decision
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[15:31:05] <Martin> Yes I don’t know if it has a big advantage when I connect as a component
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[16:16:38] <Martin> Hmm one of the biggest advantages I see is that messages are spread between connection. So a sort of load balancing, with a normal client it goes to all :)
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[16:18:33] <Martin> Or the one with highest priority
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[18:25:59] <jeybe> Am a little confused, added the stun listeners (stun tcp, stun udp, stuns) with turn enabled to my ejabberd.yml, but after restarting ejabberd does not listen on any port anymore
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[18:27:38] <Holger> Any [error]s or [warning]s in your ejabberd.yml?
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[18:29:45] <jeybe> Oh, looks like a missing dependency: `2020-05-14 20:22:29.583 [critical] <0.562.0>@ejabberd:exit_or_halt:145 Failed to start Erlang application 'stun': no such file or directory: stun.app. This usually means that ejabberd or Erlang was compiled/installed incorrectly.`
[18:30:45] <Holger> On Debian, erlang-p1-stun ...
[18:30:59] <Holger> But I think debalance' plan was to let 20.04 hard-depend on it.
[18:31:10] <Holger> Or how did you install ejabberd?
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[19:10:09] <jeybe> Yeah, it's a hard depend. There must be an issue on my side. Thanks anyway
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[19:12:49] <Holger> Maybe that or another dependency not installed from the backports repo?
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[19:24:55] <jeybe> At least it is not as it is supposed to be
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[19:28:18] <Martin> @daniel nice text, I think I go to connect it as a component, It will only connect from an other host than the server is, but still internal network so I don’t think that is a problem :P
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