Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, May 18, 2020< ^ >
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[06:19:17] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: BTW 20.04 _does_ limit the call time to 10 minutes by default which is why I bumped the `credentials_lifetime`.
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[06:20:17] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: … unless people specify a `secret:` explicitly.
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[06:20:51] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: … if the internal TURN server is used.
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[06:22:35] <Ellenor Malik> That's kinda brainsuck
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[06:35:41] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: woa?
[06:36:34] <Holger> Wasn't intended that way :-)
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[06:37:55] <Licaon_Kter> I feel betrayed
:))
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[06:38:16] <Licaon_Kter> But I was under the impression that creds get regenerated after the timeout
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[06:42:20] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: The XMPP client won't ask for new creds after the timeout.  It would then have to kill the existing stream(s) and open a new TURN relay.
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[06:42:40] <Licaon_Kter> That's dumb :(
[06:43:03] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: What I thought initially is that the TURN server will happily ignore the exiry time for existing allocations.  Which is true for Coturn but not for ejabberd's TURN.
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[06:45:14] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I considered teaching ejabberd's TURN to behave like Coturn, but that has some downsides, plus we imagined admins might actually _like_ to be able to limit the call time via `credentials_lifetime`.  Because if you behave like Coturn, a deleted (malicious) XMPP user could try to keep his existing streams open forever.
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[06:46:45] <Holger> So I ended up with "12 hours is enough for everyone".
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[06:50:20] <Licaon_Kter> Right
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[07:23:00] <Alacer> I had set it to 240... 4 Hrs is enough on a call... we are not running SFU... its 1;1
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[08:58:25] <mightyBroccoli> ThUnD3r|Gr33n, I can not answer you, since messages from strangers a rejected.
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[09:19:13] <mfoss> Hi everyone. Regarding the compliance test and XEP-0368: SRV records for XMPP over TLS – is there any way to debug this? I believe I’ve set the records correctly but I still fail this. Hey @daniel any hints? https://compliance.conversations.im/server/marekfoss.org/
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[09:49:52] <Holger> mfoss: The SRV record doesn't seem to exist yet:
```
$ host -t srv _xmpps-client._tcp.marekfoss.org ns1.linode.com
Using domain server:
Name: ns1.linode.com
Address: 162.159.27.72#53
Aliases:
Host _xmpps-client._tcp.marekfoss.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
```
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[09:51:25] <Holger> mfoss: BTW if you're touching it anyway you could also add an `ejabberd_s2s_in` listener with `tls: true` on port 5270 (or whatever) and an _xmpps-server record pointing to that.  (But daniel's compliance tester won't check that.)
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[09:54:20] <mfoss> @holger hmm wait, it seems https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/SRV_Records is a bit outdated, doesn’t mention _xmppS-client/server, just _xmpp-client/server. I didn’t read the xmpp.org specs. I will try adding the s2s listener as well.
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[09:55:41] <Holger> mfoss: Ah, indeed.  Neustradamus_ your job!!!
[09:55:52] <mfoss> @holger do _xmpps use the same set of ports as non-tls, so 5222 and 5269 ?
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[09:56:17] <mfoss> in terms of the SRV records.
[09:56:30] <Holger> mfoss: No, you need a separate listener with `tls: true` (rather than `starttls`).
[09:56:36] <Holger> mfoss: So you can't use the same ports.
[09:56:52] <Holger> mfoss: But you can freely choose one and point to it via the SRV record.
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[09:57:16] <Holger> mfoss: The spec is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0368.html ...
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[09:59:13] <mfoss> @holger you mentioned 5270 before so it seems the canon is to use the next port. I will try 5223 and 5270. The spec doesn’t seem to mention any ports but curiously says β€œServers could even host xmpp-client and xmpp-server services on the same TLS port”
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[10:02:46] <Holger> mfoss: The latter would require some more complex traffic multiplexing setup.
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[10:03:51] <Holger> mfoss: 5223 is fine, that's the old-school `tls: true` port that was sometimes used by convention (long) before 0368 existed.
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[10:05:42] <Holger> mfoss: But the real idea of 0368 is circumventing firewalls which try to block everything except HTTPS traffic. This circumvention will often only work if you offer XMPPS on port 443. But if you also have a web server listening on 443, you'll need traffic multiplexing magic.
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[10:06:26] <mfoss> @holger cool. I try to avoid complex setups like multiplexing but let’s see where it gets me as I have a web server on 443.
[10:06:37] <Holger> πŸ‘
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[10:06:45] <mfoss> Thanks for help! :)
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[10:08:11] <mfoss> One last question, a poll of sorts: what are everyones’ here favourite clients? I’m looking for good apps on Linux, Windows, macOS, iOS and Android.
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[10:10:23] <zuglufttier> On linux gajim and dino are fine, that is if you want a GUI. Gajim is the one client that has all the features. Dino is on the, sometimes very, light side.
[10:11:05] <Holger> mfoss:e Dino on Linux, Conversations on Android, Converse.js (i.e. a web client) on Windows and macOS, because there are no good native clients I'm aware of.  If you're not keen on setting up Converse.js I'd go for Gajim or (if you don't need OMEMO) Swift.im on Windows.  Not sure about macOS, maybe try Beagle.im.
[10:11:07] <zuglufttier> On android Conversations is the best client. If you ask me the xmpp client in general.
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[10:11:58] <Holger> On iOS you could try Siskin or Monal but it's all crap.
[10:12:27] <Holger> I.e. I generally don't recommend XMPP to iOS friends, except if they're motivated to play around and cope with issues.
[10:12:35] <zuglufttier> True... However, these days Siskin IM works best for my girlfriend.
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[10:12:46] <zuglufttier> But with OMEMO disabled...
[10:12:47] <Holger> Next week it might be Monal :-)
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[10:12:56] <zuglufttier> Indeed.
[10:13:14] <Holger> At least they're both still quite actively developed.
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[10:13:48] <zuglufttier> For terminals I hear good things about profanity. Looks like OMEMO is in a working state, too. But not polished.
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[10:15:43] <mfoss> What about ChatSecure on iOS? Anyone has any opinion on that?
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[10:16:53] <Holger> mfoss: Not clearly better or worse than the other two, just a different set of bugs.  But less active development than the other two so I generally don't mention it anymore.
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[10:19:04] <Holger> mfoss: ProcessOne should build a Conversations for iOS and become rich and famous.
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[10:20:23] <Holger> :-)
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[10:20:56] <Holger> That's what Tigase is trying with Siskin, but I think they'll keep missing the last 10% of UX/code quality that would make this a usable client for end-users.
[10:21:00] <mfoss> @holger haha yeah would be nice if all of these things happen :) but it’s always 2 out of 3 ;)
[10:21:08] <mike> Last time I tried chatsecure it felt very clunky to use, I didn't like it. I really only use Linux and Android these days, Dino and Conversations cover everything I need, pretty well.
[10:21:10] <Holger> Hehe.
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[10:22:24] <mfoss> I cheer the Tigase effort, but I hope they pause on code development and focus a stint on ui/ux. It could look and work smoother.
[10:22:53] <mike> agreed, UX on ios clients is awful right now.
[10:23:43] <Licaon_Kter> mike, mfoss: keep in mind that, if you come from not-iOS, the both Monal and CS look clunky to you....while the want to be "like iMessage"
[10:23:46] <Holger> mfoss: Yeah.  There's also a bit of interop foo esp. (but not only) with push notifications, as their main target is of course Tigase environments.  But there's still issues even if you use a Tigase server.
[10:24:19] <Licaon_Kter> They want to make it look native....and looking from Android towards their UX...it's...ugly...
[10:25:54] <mike> things might have improved, I don't test on ios often, but I found it awkward to do relatively simple things like join a channel. maybe they're copying something else and that's the problem.
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[10:29:37] <Holger> mike: Hehe I found *this* specific thing to be fine in ChatSecure, where the UI is optimized towards private groups which you either create or are invited to.  WhatsApp users don't "join channels".
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[10:30:16] <Holger> But then geeks try out ChatSecure to check whether it's recommendable to their iOS friends and stumble over it :-)
[10:30:27] <zuglufttier> All those iOS efforts should be merged into one project...
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[10:31:29] <zuglufttier> I'll make a github project and just merge all the files from the projects together. Then, I will claim that the client has all the features.
[10:31:35] <mike> I can't even remember the details it's been a long time since I evaluated ios clients.
[10:32:26] <mike> honestly I'd take any one feature-poor client with some consistent cross-platform UI so I could tell people the same thing for ios or android or desktop
[10:33:12] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> Converse.js (i.e. a web client) on Windows and macOS, because there are no good native clients I'm aware of.
https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issue
You can recommend it when you don't see my avatar, your, Guus and the rest of the gang around here, as issue openers. Until then...nope
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[10:34:37] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Too many unresolved issues you mean?
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[10:34:58] <Holger> It does work pretty well for my people.
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[10:36:28] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: JC should just ask Daniel how to run the stale issue bot πŸ™‚
[10:36:32] <mike> It's pretty sad that it's the best option. Shame Kaiwa died, that was such a promising start.
[10:36:50] <mike> is the bug where you can't configure ejabberd rooms fixed yet?
[10:37:16] <Holger> mike: Kaiwa looked a little better in my view, but Converse.js is way more solid.
[10:37:26] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
I'm building it everyday and still fails to stay connected or open groups or loose key omemo keys of one contact
[10:37:34] <Holger> mike: Hmm, I posted the issue myself, let me check.
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[10:38:13] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Ah ok, my people have the advantage that they don't need to enable OMEMO to talk to me πŸ˜›
[10:38:32] <zuglufttier> We have converse.js at work. I broke it by creating a room... Btw, does anybody know how I can reset my settings in converse.js? I can still connect via gajim.
[10:38:33] <Holger> Which suddenly makes XMPP kinda work even if you don't use Conversations.
[10:38:38] <mike> Looks are pretty important. I don't care how clever or technically capable an app is if nobody wants to use it heh
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[10:39:16] <Holger> mike: Well it doesn't help if it looks good but is buggy as hell because the code is crap.
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[10:39:34] <Licaon_Kter> > Licaon_Kter: Ah ok, my people have the advantage that they don't need to enable OMEMO to talk to me πŸ˜›
That's why I specified...only one...contact, as a guinea pig. Eg. Now my user here, that you have in your roster has only 2 keys....always had...not in Converse...there are 10 there
Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
[10:39:43] <Holger> In my experience even end users prefer working code over good looks in the end.
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[10:40:06] <mike> Oh for sure, but looks can't be ignored.
[10:40:49] <Licaon_Kter> > Licaon_Kter: Ah ok, my people have the advantage that they don't need to enable OMEMO to talk to me πŸ˜›
It's one contact omemo issues aside, 2 groups, this and Conversations, each time I open them there a new kind of broken
[10:41:17] <mike> Well my users didn't care too much about code quality so they all just use discord now ...
[10:42:01] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Alright somehow I really don't run into such fuckup with Converse.js. Maybe just luck.
[10:42:17] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe....
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[10:52:57] <mfoss> I just published the ejabberd video & voice calling tutorial https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-set-up-ejabberd-video-voice-calling/
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[10:53:22] <mfoss> Thanks everyone for assist, especially @holger – tested again and now my server is at 100% compliance.
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[10:57:08] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: if you listen only on 3478 then disco on 5349?
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[10:58:02] <Licaon_Kter> Some of those transport lines could be omitted as they default to exactly that  right?
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[10:58:43] <Holger> mfoss: Not sure you still want to edit the post, but you could just omit specifying the `services:` manually altogether.  mod_stun_disco will auto-publish local ejabberd_stun listeners.
[10:58:53] <Licaon_Kter> Creds lifetime too, I mean if you don't modify the defaults why bother? docs.ejabberd.im and good luck
[10:59:22] <Holger> mfoss: Also the SRV records aren't used by Conversations/Movim.
[10:59:24] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: I like that, one can see the domain part and all that
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[11:00:14] <Holger> I'm all fine with doing that, just thought users who need a tutorial will appreciate it being as simple as possible.  But whatever.
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[11:00:59] <Licaon_Kter> Why bother with separate domains for stun/turn? It's not like you can host them elsewhere now, right? (With one ejabberd I mean)
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[11:01:36] <Holger> But I *would* mention the `credentials_lifetime` like mfoss did, to not have ejabberd kill calls after 10 minutes.
[11:01:57] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: because 20.04 as released is 10mins?
[11:02:01] <Holger> Yes.
[11:02:12] <Licaon_Kter> I run HEAD, ignore me :)
[11:02:17] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, good
[11:02:17] <Holger> Kind of a bug.  I mean it was unintended.
[11:02:40] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: do add a link at the end to the docs, or smth
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[11:03:17] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I was suprised it took days/weeks for someone to notice.  People just don't talk longer than 10 minutes it seems.
[11:03:20] <Licaon_Kter> Or now because
> Do you need a more specific solution?
> ProcessOne experts are ready to help.
( Ν‘Β° ΝœΚ– Ν‘Β°)
[11:03:32] <Licaon_Kter> Or  not because
> Do you need a more specific solution?
> ProcessOne experts are ready to help.
( Ν‘Β° ΝœΚ– Ν‘Β°)
[11:03:44] <mfoss> Yeah, Mickael pointed that out as well.
[11:04:01] <mfoss> About the 10 minuts.
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[11:04:26] <Holger> Yeah, it was him (or his client) who notified me :-)
[11:04:36] <Holger> Nobody else reported it.
[11:05:01] <mfoss> @licaon_kter not sure what you mean about the ports? you need both open, as I understand.
[11:05:49] <mfoss> @holger so you say mod_stun_disco doesn’t need explicit services section? it detects ip and uses default ports?
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[11:06:29] <Holger> mfoss: Right.
[11:06:47] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: your config only sets 3478 is 5349 opened by default too? I have a separate block for that listener
[11:06:51] <Holger> mfoss: My goal was to make everything 'just work' out of the box.
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[11:07:05] <Holger> mfoss: Except for the `turn_ip`.  I'm working on that right now :-)
[11:08:00] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, mfoss: Yeah the `services:` section lists services without having `ejabberd_stun` listeners for those (`tcp`, and `5349`).  I would really just remove the `services:` list and all is fine.
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[11:10:29] <mfoss> @licaon_kter in my config in listen: i have explicitly defined listeners for 3478 and 5349
[11:10:55] <mfoss> ah I forgot to update the post with 5349, one sec..
[11:11:20] <Licaon_Kter> :)
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[11:12:54] <mfoss> ok, updated.
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[11:13:44] <mfoss> @holger my thinking was that I better put it explicitly, in case 12 months later somebody changes something in the default behaviour and things break. I had the same thinking with defining min and max ports explicitly.
[11:14:38] <Holger> mfoss: Personally I'd just go for UDP on 3478 only, like in our default config.  TLS only helps with restrictive firewalls, not with security, and (just like 0368) only really helps if you offer it on 443.  But whatever :-)
[11:14:44] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: the ports need at least a mention yes, since you need to define them in firewall
[11:14:54] <Neustradamus_> Holger: I had done this part a long time ago before the XSF server crash....
[11:15:25] <Holger> mfoss: As long as I have any say with mod_stun_disco I'll try hard to keep it working sensibly with default settings ;-)  But ok.
[11:15:25] <Neustradamus_> Some changes have been lost...
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[11:16:27] <Holger> mfoss: While I agree showing the min/max port thing makes sense, also to make it more obvious that these ports need to be accessible (in case the server is behind some firewall).
[11:16:42] <Holger> Neustradamus_: Ah.
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[11:17:40] <Holger> mfoss: If you keep the `services:` list you should remove these two though, or add a `transport: tcp` listener on 3478:
```
        -
          host: 0.0.0.0
          port: 3478
          type: stun
          transport: tcp
          restricted: false
        -
          host: 0.0.0.0
          port: 3478
          type: turn
          transport: tcp
          restricted: true
```
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[11:18:32] <Neustradamus_> Holger: About IPv6, what is missing for the moment in ejabberd? All are good?
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[11:19:49] <Holger> Neustradamus_: The next release will fully support v6 STUN/TURN, yes.  I just need to update ejabberd to use the new processone/stun code.
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[11:21:18] <Neustradamus_> Yes and about SIP part?
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[11:21:46] <Holger> No idea, I'm not into SIP at all and don't use mod_sip.
[11:21:52] <Holger> Do you?
[11:21:56] <mfoss> @holger ah ok, true my 3478 listener uses udp.
[11:22:11] <Holger> Neustradamus_: I just hope this doesn't motivate you to continue with spamming bug trackers.  I did it *despite* your issues, not because of them :-P
[11:22:23] <Neustradamus_> No, but there is a ticket about it...
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[11:23:45] <Holger> Neustradamus_: Well if it's still open then you already know the status.
[11:24:09] <Neustradamus_> -> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/1668
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[11:27:26] <Holger> > Open
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[11:28:18] <mfoss> It’s strange all docs everywhere mention port 5349 while that piece of config is best used on 443. Maybe something for another article.
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[11:29:43] <Holger> mfoss: 5349 is an old "default be convention" port for STUN/TURN via TLS.  Back in those days it was less common to have restrictive hotel WiFis or enterprise networks that try to block non-HTTPS traffic.
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[11:31:16] <mfoss> I see.
[11:31:43] <Holger> mfoss: And purpose of TURN via TLS shifted a bit over time: Back then the idea was to secure your TURN credentials, as it was common to use your proper SIP/XMPP/whatever username/password.
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[11:32:11] <Holger> mfoss: With mod_stun_disco or typical WebRTC stuff, you receive temporary credentials which don't really need to be secured.
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[11:33:49] <Holger> Plus TURN does digest auth anyway, so it's not like the (temporary) creds are transmitted plain-text.
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[11:34:37] <mfoss> @holger it makes sense. but at this point I would have to get into how to configure it on port 443 with a web server along it, so I think I will leave it for the next time.
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[11:35:37] <Holger> Yeah.  Those restrictive networks are more common than back in the days, but it's not like they're _common_ these days.  UDP @ 3478 will work in almost all cases.
[11:35:59] <Holger> And in the cases where it works, it's preferable for mimizing A/V latency.
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[11:37:12] <Holger> And if you want to cope with restrictive networks properly, i.e. if everything should work, you need to put quite some efforts into it.  XMPPS, HTTP(S) Upload, TURN, maybe mod_proxy, and maybe other things should all be reachable on 443.
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[11:38:32] <mfoss> Yeah, things get tricky fast in this case.
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[11:46:03] <ij> Hmmm… when already coturn in place, with ejabberd stun/turn as fallback and additionally listening on port 443 would need some IPs… *counting* 1x webserver, 2x coturn, 1x ejabberd…
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[11:47:59] <Licaon_Kter> _One IP to rule them all_
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[12:04:21] <ij> for me it’s more like β€žone /26 to rule them allβ€œ
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[12:10:09] <Licaon_Kter> ij: oh, the luxury
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[12:10:48] <ij> well, /26 makes 62 homes ;)
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[13:05:37] <caius> Regarding mod_proxy65 is there anything I need to do to test connectivity? Isn't it supposed to be a "standard" socks5 proxy? In which case I should be able to test connectivity with tools that support socks5 (curl for instance). I also don't understand the authentication parameter for mod_proxy65. I've tried both. No success. If I enable authentication what credentials are supposed to be passed? I'm a bit worried because ejabberd only supports plain authentication and I don't want any unauthenticated service to be left open on a public port. Any document to read would be welcome.
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[13:12:52] <Holger> It supports anonymous and PLAIN, see https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-proxy65
[13:13:19] <Holger> When used in the context of XMPP, you usually allow anonymous and the module will do IP-address-based authorization.
[13:13:47] <Holger> So in this regard it's not just a "standard" SOCKS5 proxy.
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[13:17:51] <caius> So ejabberd will accept an incoming connection only if there is XMPP user with the same source IP. That can explain why I didn't get to make it work just with a curl. At the same time it makes it no longer a "public" service which is good.
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[13:19:40] <caius> On the other end if ejabberd is unaware of XMPP users real IP (for example if you have load balancers in front of ejabberd) this could fail I suppose.
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[13:20:51] <caius> For plain authentication is that the XMPP user credentials that would be transmitted wish socks? If yes I'd rather configure anonymous and rely on source IP restrictions.
[13:21:06] <caius> For plain authentication is that the XMPP user credentials that would be transmitted with socks? If yes I'd rather configure anonymous and rely on source IP restrictions.
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[13:23:09] <Holger> I don't think XMPP clients support doing auth.
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[13:24:09] <caius> I didn't thought of that. So another reason to set anonymous.
[13:24:25] <caius> Thank you Holger
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[13:57:55] <Holger> caius, actually my memories were wrong sorry, it's not IP-address-based but the involved XMPP clients negotiate a secret value for the SOCKS5 DST.ADDR field that effectively authenticates them against the proxy.
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[13:58:14] <Holger> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0065.html
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[14:19:38] <justatest> Hello process one, conversations only can do 9 minute calls. When the credentials are done to 15mins or 14 mins or 18h or 5 h, it doesn't redirect it, it just only does 9 minutes and disconnects when using TURN. Of course the server is turned off and on when changing the config
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[14:23:00] <justatest> All ports are open too
[14:23:44] <justatest> Also the turn is unrestricted in the services
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[14:26:21] <Holger> justatest, I definitely did longer calls but I'm double-checking myself right now as I had another, similar report.  I'm having trouble doing more than a few minutes due to connectivity issues in my own WiFi πŸ˜•
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[14:28:50] <Holger> justatest, do you see anything if you `grep -i STUN` your ejabberd.log for entries during the disconnection?
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[14:49:27] <caius> > Holger Wrote:
> caius, actually my memories were wrong sorry, it's not IP-address-based but the involved XMPP clients negotiate a secret value for the SOCKS5 DST.ADDR field that effectively authenticates them against the proxy.
I think this answers my question. It's a bit more complex than I thought
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[14:55:10] <Holger> justatest:
> I'm having trouble doing more than a few minutes due to connectivity issues in my own WiFi πŸ˜•
I now got my hands on a second phone with SIM card and have a call running for >20 minutes.  So no, I can't reproduce the issue and my guess would be you're having some sort of connectivity issue.  You could try to track things down by only enabling a `tcp` listener and/or by checking whether you can reproduce it with two conversations.im accounts.
But I'd also still be interested whether you see `ejabberd.log` entries.  If you have `loglevel: info` and _don't_ see "failed long-term STUN authentication" entries, then your problem is not related to the `credentials_lifetime`.
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[15:19:25] <ij> well, just did a call with my parents for 18 mins, alas via coturn as turn server
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[15:27:51] <Holger> justatest, FWIW, I can also not reproduce the issue on blabber.im, which is running stock 20.04 with ejabberd TURN.
[15:28:07] <marek> hi, credentials_lifetime is specified in ms, sec, min or hours?
[15:28:13] <marek> for mod_stun_disco
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[15:28:41] <Holger> marek, we need a good place to document how integer values can be specified πŸ™‚
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[15:29:28] <Holger> marek, the default is seconds, but you can do `10m` for "10 minutes", `12h` for "12 hours", `7d` for "7 days" and so on.
[15:29:32] <marek> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/ is not specific about the resolution of time,
[15:29:40] <Holger> Yeah I know.
[15:29:46] <marek> aaah, ok, thx
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[15:30:01] <Holger> zinid added the magic back when we weren't good at documenting things πŸ™‚
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[15:47:06] <raver> Holger: according to clients, Gajim works on windows too
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[15:50:35] <Felix141> What is/does the 'assume_mam_usage' option?
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[15:54:58] <Licaon_Kter> Felix141: that users want MAM enabled
[15:55:07] <Holger> Felix141: An ugly hack that I'm going to ditch soon. Set it to `true` πŸ™‚
[15:55:13] <Licaon_Kter> And they can disable it from their clients
[15:55:31] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: why?
[15:55:37] <Felix141> Ok :D
[15:55:42] <mfoss> Can mod_mam run on Mnesia? I’m having trouble making it work...
[15:55:52] <Holger> mfoss: Yeah, but not recommended.
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[15:56:15] <Holger> mfoss: Mnesia (well Dets) has a 2 GB limit.
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[15:56:28] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: what's going on at P1? It's the dogfooding month? :))
[15:56:58] <mfoss> :)
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[15:58:35] <mfoss> @Holger yeah, I saw the note. But I have just test messages. I can’t get the muc to show previous messages on join.
[15:59:27] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, Felix141: The question is what to do with unacknowledged messages if a stream management session times out. With `assume_mam_usage: false`, error messages are bounced. With `true`, we assume the clients support MAM and will retrieve those messages from the MAM storage.
[15:59:41] <Holger> I'll push a smarter solution soon.
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[16:00:48] <Holger> mfoss: For MUC there's a room option. Not sure it's enabled by default (I'm on my phone).
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[16:01:33] <mfoss> @Holger ah ok, no problem, i’ll check with the cli management tool.
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[16:02:04] <mfoss> @Licaon_Kter something like that. I never ran ejabberd before, so I can feel new users problems.
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[16:03:36] <Holger> mfoss, you can enable MUC MAM by default for _new_ rooms via:
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modules:
  mod_muc:
    default_room_options:
      mam: true
      persistent: true
```
[16:03:59] <Holger> mfoss, for existing rooms, you can enable it in the room configuration with clients such as Gajim.
[16:04:10] <Holger> mfoss, also, Conversations auto-enables it when creating a new room.
[16:04:29] <mfoss> πŸ‘ good one, thanks! I tried using Conversejs muc config but that didn’t work.
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[16:04:47] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: what client adds @ on mention? I don't get triggered in Conversations
[16:04:55] <Holger> mfoss, and Conversations will show you whether it's enabled in the room details.
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[16:05:31] <Holger> mfoss, yeah: https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issues/1924
[16:06:04] <mfoss> @holger ahh…
[16:06:43] <mfoss> @Licaon_Kter looks like both BeagleIM and Trillian… but Trillian makes names lowercase.
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[16:09:07] <mfoss> @licaon_kter but Trillian seems to do it differently. not sure when/if you get triggered…
[16:09:19] <Licaon_Kter> As bad
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[16:09:40] <Licaon_Kter> Lowercase it's ok, the added @ is the issue
[16:10:14] <Licaon_Kter> That being said, the regex triggers for cases where it shouldn't do too
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[16:10:41] <Holger> Everything is broken.
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[16:11:53] <mfoss> It would be nice to have a cross-platform reference library/framework for XMPP with a simple api and just build specific UI on top of it.
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[16:14:11] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: better, you have a lot of them
[16:14:49] <jeybe> Is it possible to import a database backup of ejabberd 20.02 and then use it with a newly installed ejabberd 20.04?
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[16:16:17] <Licaon_Kter> Depends...what type of db?
[16:16:44] <Licaon_Kter> Import one host into a bigger db or ?
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[16:17:06] <Licaon_Kter> Why didn't you upgrade?
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[16:18:57] <mfoss> Indeed mam is working now for me, thanks Holger!
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[17:34:46] <jeybe> > Why didn't you upgrade?
Apt completely doesn't want like I do, and so I decided this is the opportunity to get a separate vServer for the services currently running on one machine Licaon_Kter
> Import one host into a bigger db or ?
No, just an fresh ejabberd install and a fresh mariadb install. Basically it's about moving my current install to another host
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[17:35:45] <jeybe> > Why didn't you upgrade?
Apt completely doesn't want like I do, and so I decided this is the opportunity to get a separate vServer for every service currently running on one machine Licaon_Kter
> Import one host into a bigger db or ?
No, just an fresh ejabberd install and a fresh mariadb install. Basically it's about moving my current install to another host
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[17:36:55] <Licaon_Kter> jeybe: buster-backports ?
[17:37:05] <jeybe> Licaon_Kter: yes
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[17:45:08] <Licaon_Kter> That should just upgrade
[17:45:13] <Licaon_Kter> ...strange
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[17:46:16] <jeybe> Yeah, I know. But I guess it's something on my end. Not the first time things don't install like they should
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[18:23:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> hello people.. I have a queston.. why does this not worK:
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[18:24:17] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> -
    port: 5444
    ip: "::"
    module: ejabberd_http
    request_handlers:
      "/api": mod_http_api
      "/admin/": ejabberd_web_admin
      "/captcha/": ejabberd_captcha
      "/register/": mod_register_web
      "/pub/": mod_http_fileserver
      "/upload": mod_http_upload
[18:24:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> it works for admin and upload.. I use a proxy server for this
[18:25:15] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> if I make domain.tld/register and wanna make a new reg then it jumps to domain.tld/new iso domain.tld/register/new
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[19:24:56] <Felix141> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: maybe you have to remove the /'es at the end of admin, captcha, register an pub. I don't know, if this is the problem, but so I have it in my (working) configuration.
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[19:26:29] <Felix141> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: maybe you have to remove the /'es at the end of admin, captcha, register an pub. I don't know, if this is the problem, but so I have it in my (working) configuration.
e.g.: "/register": mod_register_web
instead of "/register/": mod_register_web
[19:27:02] <Ellenor Malik> > Holger Wrote:
> mfoss: But the real idea of 0368 is circumventing firewalls which try to block everything except HTTPS traffic. This circumvention will often only work if you offer XMPPS on port 443. But if you also have a web server listening on 443, you'll need traffic multiplexing magic.
What about XMPP-over-HTTPS?
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[19:40:30] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Malik: what about it?
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[19:42:51] <Ellenor Malik> Licaon_Kter: It's a valid way of getting around this?
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[19:50:33] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Felix141: already tried without slash bit doesn't work either
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[20:22:43] <raver> anybody now why this check has 100 points regarding "Key Exchange Score" https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=creep.im&type=client
and me https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=rimkus.it&type=client only '90' I can't see any difference...
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[20:23:36] <Licaon_Kter> raver: the other domain gets +10 points for the cool name
Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
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[20:23:46] <raver> :D
[20:24:10] <justatest> On the logs ot says accepted long term STUN authentication and a random number at the domain dot com
Handle call 332, a few of those in every few minutes. The IP is behind a nat but ports opened (nextoud talk on coturn works ok for hours)
Unless this is because the certificate is self made and not from let's encrypt
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[20:24:42] <justatest> Conversations did give a notifications on the log cat for that
[20:25:29] <raver> maybe would be a nice feature to give a hint, just like the compliance checker
[20:26:07] <Holger> justatest:
> Handle call 332
What, that's nothing from the ejabberd.log is it?
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[20:27:47] <Holger> raver: You can be happy if xmpp.net completes a test without falling into pieces. Give hints geeeez.
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[20:31:41] <justatest> On conversations im it works more than 9 mins it can do as much as you want. On 2 computers, 2 different internets it does 9 minutes
Directly loses connection. That's on tcp and udp. Very interesting since next cloud talk did that but with 32 mins and they fixed it
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[20:33:01] <raver> Holgerβ€Ž, :D someday we all fall into pieces
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[20:33:48] <Holger> justatest: Well I'm not saying I don't believe you and I suggested multiple things to track it down.
[20:34:27] <Holger> justatest: Good to know they're better at fixing things than me.  Just use Nextcloud.
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[20:37:43] <raver> Holgerβ€Ž, never ever they're better than you... they use PHP!  πŸ€£
[20:38:01] <Holger> More issues to fix!
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[20:47:04] <justatest> Nextcloud is worse, it doesn't ring, connect the first time unless you join a few seconds later. Plus can't send chat while on a call etc.. They are really behind
Access is local unless i have to allow all
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[20:48:01] <Alacer> Holger, Licaon_Kter: Guys Little advice plz. On Debian Package Based Ejabberd Install to do clustering could you guys tell the location of erlang cookie as there is no /homel/ejabberd... Thx...
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[20:51:53] <justatest> Unless the reason the connections is refused after a while is because it's something to do with the certificate, as it's self signed and not from acme
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[21:08:08] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: /var/lib/ejabberd or smth?
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[21:08:22] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: Thanks...
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[21:10:39] <Alacer> Yup There ...
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[22:15:20] <Pitho> justatest: NC rings when you call out πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
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[22:17:23] <Pitho> https://github.com/nextcloud/talk-android/issues/772
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[22:59:19] <justatest> Next cloud runga only with working Google play services. If you don't have it or it's not online, it doesn't as it uses gcm while conversations rings all the time as its on a constant connection
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[23:07:39] <justatest> Tried everything with ejabberd and conversations, it seems to not want to do a longer audio or video call than 9 minutes. The credentials are for days, not the default, all ports open, cert from the lets encrypt, turn ip is specified, nice is tcp or udp, max turn allocations are on maximum, also permissions too. Auth type has to be user. On mod stun disco, access is for all, credentials on days eg 2d, then in the services turn is not restricted. The formatting is done according to the documentation on ejabberd docs. When 2 people call, and the turn server is being used, it disconnects after 9 minutes. The server is on Linux. It does the same on widows too. The server is behind a nat with dmz enabled which means all ports are open for this. Any possible reasons why conversations does only a 9 min call?
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[23:50:11] <Alacer> Related to the SRV records as per mfoss if we configure _stuns/_turns to be 443 rather 5349 and doe the same in mod_stun_disco it will work through NAT but then it will always use 443 in case if do not have NAT. I assume we run sslh...  Is this OK as we can also run coturn with 443 as tls-listening-port and doing same with SRVs..
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