Process-one
ejabberd
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020< ^ >
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[07:23:22] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Sounds nice
[07:23:22] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> But I did not get Mastodon running yet
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[07:46:43] <jerry> Licaon_Kter: huh? i haven't talked here in a couple of days
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[07:47:23] <Licaon_Kter> jerry: yes..hope you're the same one with mastodon and xmpp and stuff...
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[07:47:35] <jerry> oh cool
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[07:47:39] <jerry> i saw some guy just got kicked
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[07:47:50] <jerry> and i'm very sleepy so i thought someone was impersonating me
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[07:48:26] <jerry> i'm trying to compile dino on windows
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[08:01:10] <jerry> anyone know how to get msys2 to see libgobject-2.0-0.dll
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[08:01:43] <jerry> i put it in bin, i put it in lib, i put it in the same folder as the building thing, i put it in the build folder
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[08:01:50] <jerry> this will be the death of me
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[08:02:59] <jerry> i will actually switch to linux just for this
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[08:21:51] <jerry> i'm in the dino room
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[08:22:31] <jerry> i spent two nights trying to get msys2 to find my dlls
[08:22:39] <jerry> i give up i'm gonna use another client
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[08:25:34] <Holger> Did you ask for suggestions?  I think it's been tried before.
[08:25:48] <Holger> I mean for suggestions how to cope with the DLL foo.
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[08:26:48] <jerry> i talked to one guy but he didn't know the problem
[08:26:54] <Holger> Ah.
[08:26:57] <jerry> i just asked publicly about my new specific problem
[08:26:58] <Licaon_Kter> jerry: there's an issue and a pull request dealing with Windows, see the user Lagonauta iirc
[08:28:25] <jerry> oh damn
[08:28:26] <jerry> thank you
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[08:30:15] <jerry> how do i clone from a pull request?
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[08:32:29] <Holger> Easiest is to `git remote add lagonauta https://github.com/LAGonauta/dino.git`.
[08:32:48] <Holger> Then `git remote update`.
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[08:33:45] <Holger> Then you can access branches such as `lagonauta/master-windows-changes`.  E.g., `git checkout master-windows-changes`.
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[08:36:15] <jerry> can i just clone it
[08:36:21] <Holger> Sure.
[08:36:29] <jerry> is that a bad idea?
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[08:38:19] <Holger> I wouldn't say _bad_, obviously depends on your work flows.  Personally I don't want to fiddle with several copies of a single repository.  I want to update from `origin/master`, merge or cherry-pick stuff from one or more `random-contributor/feature-foo` branches, add my own stuff on top, whatever.
[08:38:36] <jerry> well, darn it. same issue, can't find that gobject
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[09:44:30] <jerry> tried it on cygwin, which doesn't have libgee-devel
[09:44:44] <jerry> how do i get an orphaned package?
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[09:57:22] <jerry> nevermind, got it
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[10:08:54] <adgl> Hello
[10:09:09] <adgl> https://gist.github.com/0a3527b0f9bacc351e0883de96057438 Folks, I wrote this XMPP client for ejabberd group chat
[10:09:21] <adgl> I need confirmation if APIs I have used there are legit
[10:09:44] <adgl> I feel awkward to use ejabberd_admin  APIs as those are supposed for admin tasks
[10:10:04] <adgl> Can someone give feedback for above code in terms of ejabberd APIs used?
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[10:22:36] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> adgl u want me to test?
[10:23:24] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> adgl where can i find intructions to setup this client?
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[10:25:50] <adgl> Do you want to test it ?
[10:25:51] <adgl> This beagleIM seems buggy
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[10:40:35] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I would try .. why not :) need repo address with instructions .)
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[11:41:41] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> ThUnD3r|Gr33n Sure! what do you do?
[11:41:44] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> ThUnD3r|Gr33ndo you know Elixir?
[11:41:57] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Holger any feedback on the APIs used in above gist?
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[11:50:38] <Holger> adgtl@conference.process-one.net, I don't really have time for a code review, sorry.
[11:50:49] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> HolgerI know  .. :)
[11:51:24] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> If anyone really wants to take a look and give feeback, I will really appreciate that.
[11:51:30] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> I am new to ejabberd
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[11:52:53] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> ThUnD3r|Gr33n hey man. what's your background? I can share code repo. It's very new now. Need a detaield feedback
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[11:55:10] <badlop> I feel awkward to use ejabberd_admin  APIs as those are supposed for admin tasks
<--- umm, the module is called ejabberd_admin.erl because it contained admin commands when it was created, 14 years ago:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/205c565e6f01f3d38538da36e8eecfc51a44d890
[11:55:57] <badlop> but since then, it has received all kind of commands, not only those specific for admins (database backup)
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[12:00:48] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> badlopso you say it's fine?
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[12:05:23] <Holger> I'd still very much recommend against opening our API to end user clients and using it instead of XMPP.  Actually I'd still call it an "admin API".  It's designed for stuff such as, say, web interfaces for registration, account management, whatever.  It's not designed as a instant messaging API.
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[12:07:29] <Holger> Whatever.
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[14:12:08] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Holger, what's allternative way to communicate then?
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[14:12:21] <Holger> XMPP
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[14:13:03] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> You mean construct XML and send to API?
[14:13:13] <daniel> Unsurprisingly
[14:13:41] <daniel> to the server
[14:13:44] <Holger> Construct XML (or have a library to that) and send it to ejabberd (not to the API), yes.  And receive XML.
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[14:14:16] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> oh my..  this is like writing your HTTP requets by hand instead of using HTTP client
[14:14:23] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> this is what XMPP devs suggest?
[14:14:42] <daniel> yes
[14:14:45] <Holger> Writing an XMPP client is like writing an HTTP client, yes.
[14:15:04] <Holger> You don't use some private admin API of Apache to talk to Apache.  You use HTTP.
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[14:15:31] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> okay..
[14:15:44] <Holger> With your design you at least don't need to make the API accessible to the actual clients but only to your Phoenix instance.
[14:15:50] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> https://github.com/discord/romeo is supposed to be XMPP client then
[14:16:10] <Holger> I mean do whatever works for you, obviously.  I can just very well imagine you running into problems/limitations quickly.
[14:16:15] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Holger: yes.. these APIs are used in Phoenix instance. not exposed to users
[14:16:21] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> but using admin APIs feels so odd
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[14:16:40] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> What kind of problems?
[14:16:47] <daniel> it doesn’t just feel odd it is odd
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[14:21:28] <daniel> If you weren't dead set on introducing the elixir xmpp proxy and have your website talk to ejabberd directly you'd even have ready to use libraries to do that
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[14:46:00] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> daniel example of such ready to use library?
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[14:46:57] <daniel> Use an internet search engine of your choice with the keywords Javascript and xmpp library
[14:47:09] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> What about all these articles https://docs.ejabberd.im/developer/extending-ejabberd/elixir/
[14:47:15] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-joins-the-elixir-revolution/
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[14:47:38] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> @daniel, I can't use JavaScript.. Elixir is the language of our choice.
[14:47:45] <Holger> The target audience of those is server developers, not client developers.
[14:48:03] <Holger> You can use Elixir to extend ejabberd.
[14:48:20] <daniel> adgtl@conference.process-one.net: make a diffent choice then
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[14:48:49] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Elixir is Erlang in a way.. another language built on top of BEAM
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[14:48:56] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> I can use ejabberd functions directly from Elixir
[14:49:10] <daniel> or stop asking for advice if you are not going to take it anyway
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[14:52:56] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> daniel I know .. but how can a backend company use a frontend language for building something
[14:53:16] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Holger okay
[14:53:26] <Holger> You're a backend company offering a client to build a frontend?
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[14:53:41] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> https://github.com/hedwig-im/hedwig_xmpp  
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[14:53:50] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Someone built that XMPP bot with Elixir
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[14:54:20] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Holger real frontend is in JavaScript (ReactJS) ... Elixir is to talk with ejabberd
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[14:54:36] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> We route the data to JS via Phoenix channels (websockets)
[14:54:51] <daniel> get the people who build the reactjs frontend to talk to ejabberd directly
[14:54:52] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> so communication to ejabberd needs to happen via Phoenix (elixir)
[14:54:54] <daniel> and fire yourself
[14:55:03] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> daniel: lol
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[14:55:17] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> I can't.  Can you really replace Ruby on Rails backend with JavaScript?
[14:55:25] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> I mean every langauge has its purpose..
[14:55:26] <daniel> ejabberd is the backend
[14:55:38] <daniel> you don’t need to introduce another backend
[14:55:40] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> We need Elixir as a client for ejabberd and Elixir will server to JS
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[14:55:43] <daniel> not for the chat part of it
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[14:56:07] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> daniel  Elixir is mainly for sessions and other itermediatory stuff
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[14:56:33] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> I am kind of surprised that many folks find this way as odd.
[14:56:45] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Lot many companies use server languages as clients to talk with ejabberd..
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[14:56:58] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> like Jav
[14:57:01] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> java*
[14:57:20] <daniel> yes. 80% of everything (including many companies) are shit
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[14:57:37] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> That's true. but we can't ignore Elixir offers power of Erlang
[14:57:55] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Ejabberd is famous because it is built on strong fundamental technology like Erlang
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[14:58:15] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> We can do many things with Elixir in web backend .. even use it as a client for ejabberd
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[14:58:49] <daniel> can and should aren’t the same thing
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[14:59:52] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> okay.. let's not go in language debates..
[15:00:14] <daniel> i wasn’t
[15:00:36] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> what abotu this https://github.com/processone/xmpp
[15:00:44] <daniel> it's a question of archichture; not language
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[15:01:50] <Holger> That's a library that can be used both by clients and servers, but it's very low-level.  It mostly just (validates and) decodes XMPP stanzas into Erlang records and back.
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[15:02:47] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Holger okay.. I am thinking of using it to talk with backend from Elixir app
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[15:04:07] <Holger> It won't help you much because it's minimalistic.  For talking XMPP, you want a full-blown client library.  processone/xmpp is rather a library that could be used by a proper XMPP library 🙂
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[15:05:31] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> https://github.com/discord/romeo/blob/master/lib/romeo/transports/tcp.ex seems another raw Elixir client
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[16:00:38] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> So what are your favourite ejabberd apps out there?
[16:00:42] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Top 5 ones as per you
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[17:18:05] <adgtl@conference.process-one.net> Anyone know if Discord uses XMPP?
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[18:27:08] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> doscord does not use xmpp afaik
[18:27:17] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ut there's a transport to discord :)
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[20:37:47] <broxi101> Hi
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[20:38:45] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> broxi101: 🦈
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[20:49:45] <4223> broxi101: Hai german for shark
[20:50:15] <broxi101> I' m from CZ lol
[20:50:29] <4223> welcome
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