Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, July 21, 2020< ^ >
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[07:34:54] <mfoss> Thanks all 🙏
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[07:35:24] <mfoss> Licaon_Kter: good eye, I’ll fix that.
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[09:38:14] <Martin> Is there communication between xmpp and MQTT in ejabberd?
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[09:50:06] <mfoss> That’s something I want to explore next time. At the moment there’s something, as mqtt connections are verified against auth logins of xmpp users, but to make an xmpp-mqtt bridge one would need a specific module, I guess?
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[10:01:01] <Holger> Yes that would require some bridging code which we don't have so far.
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[10:02:12] <Holger> Could imagine it to make sense for customers who have both small MQTT devices and more powerful things using XMPP?
[10:02:48] <Holger> But I'd think anyone with such a setup would ask (and pay) for it 🙂
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[12:00:35] <mfoss> FYI, in terms of clients, Thunderbird is a nice option for macOS, and desktops (win/nix) in general. Version 78 has dark mode support and UI is a bit nicer than before.
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[12:07:42] <Licaon_Kter> As a MUA maybe...
[12:09:08] <mfoss> mua?
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[12:10:53] <ij> At least it is very colourful...
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[12:12:27] <ij> mfoss: but I'm unsure how modern/uptodate XMPP in thunderbird is...
[12:12:28] <mfoss> The default chat theme is quite plain like irc. Paper sheets > white is quite readable. Baloons are awful. But user onboarding is one of the simplest among all xmpp clients.
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[12:13:22] <mfoss> ij: so far the basic stuff like connecting, mucs, syncs, etc. "just work". It's not a common thing among xmpp clients ;)
[12:13:24] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: Mail client
[12:13:50] <ij> mfoss: OMEMO seems to be open for a long time: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1237416
[12:13:50] <Licaon_Kter> mfoss: they have carbons and mam?
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[12:14:35] <ij> mfoss: basically I like the idea of XMPP integration into MUA to see presence status and maybe move from mail to chat (or vice versa)
[12:14:49] <mfoss> ij: thbird xmpp preferences would suggest omemo is supported, but I didn't test that yet.
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[12:16:24] <mfoss> Licaon_Kter: it would seem carbons and mam may not be present :/
[12:16:53] <ij> and at least one can recommend TB XMPP for people that insists in having an XMPP client that supports chat bubbles... ;)
[12:17:44] <mfoss> ij: :)
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[12:20:04] <ij> and another good thing about TB XMPP: one client on all (desktop) platforms…
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[12:34:59] <mfoss> Yes, that’s a big factor esp for office admins
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[13:24:12] <opal> hi, trying to build 20.04 on alpine linux and the tail of the build log gives me this https://wowana.me/paste/8vlNzw.txt
key line is: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-alpine-linux-musl/9.3.0/../../../../x86_64-alpine-linux-musl/bin/ld: cannot find -lerl_interface
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[13:25:38] <opal> i have /usr/lib/erlang/lib/erl_interface-4.0/ebin/erl_interface.app and /usr/lib/erlang/lib/erl_interface-4.0/ebin/erl_interface.appup from erlang package but somehow i doubt failing on building a c file is looking for either of those files
[13:25:53] <opal> using erlang 23.0 by the way
[13:26:32] <badlop> right: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/3282
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[13:28:07] <opal> thanks i'll check
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[13:30:47] <Holger> Yup.
[13:30:50] <Martin> Late response but yes I was hoping that MQTT queues was able to share with queue’s on a xmpp pub/sub :P
[13:30:57] <opal> alright thanks
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[13:31:29] <Martin> Not sure if they work the same, Never used MQTT yet :)
[13:31:33] <opal> told alpine maintainers about this too because they were having same issue
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[13:45:37] <mfoss> ij: it could have been really great...
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[13:45:55] <ij> mfoss: and I assume they will soon kick out the XMPP support and add Matrix support
[13:45:58] <ij> :(
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[13:47:34] <ij> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Matrix  & https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/mozilla-thunderbird
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[14:17:25] <opal> inherits all of firefox's memleaks
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[14:21:34] <Licaon_Kter> ...and fixes
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[15:12:04] <opal> lmao
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[15:13:02] <opal> im generally an opponent of the web, eventually i want to replace firefox with something much lighter + dedicated software for "web applications"
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[15:13:35] <opal> claws-mail is a much better gui mail client than thunderbird, a lot lighter, i have some issues with it but i attribute that to having half a million messages across mailing lists and the like
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[15:13:44] <opal> dont know how thunderbird would handle that even
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[15:14:20] <opal> last time ive used anything mozilla for mail it was seamonkey
[15:14:32] <opal> think i migrated straight to claws from that
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[15:14:57] <opal> oyvey, ff has been declining since ver 4 imo
[15:15:28] <opal> 3.x was pretty sick but of course unusable nowadays not only due to standards but due to security issues
[15:16:00] <opal> the last big improvement ive seen in ff was the move to quantum
[15:16:00] <oyvey> any software in the last decade decline. making internet available to anyone was a mistake
[15:16:37] <opal> opening up stem to anyone was a mistake, i think internet / tech should be accessible to everyone, but not to the point of dumbing down
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[15:16:47] <oyvey> not to mention furries trannies and niggers seeking attentions and getting hired to program without any experiance
[15:16:56] <opal> and definitely not to the point of neglecting well-written / well-designed code
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[15:17:39] <oyvey> > opening up stem to anyone was a mistake, i think internet / tech should be accessible to everyone, but not to the point of dumbing down
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[15:18:00] <opal> already plenty offtopic
[15:18:01] <oyvey> thnx
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[15:18:11] <opal> not for your benefit, mate
[15:19:04] <oyvey> okay weeb
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[15:57:00] <daidoji> wtf???
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[16:05:43] <oyvey> daidoji: darkijah made me say that
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[16:07:49] <Viktor Lindberg> Holger: ping
[16:09:45] <oyvey> Viktor Lindberg: yeah me getting banned by the masked man gonna solve ur problems 👌
[16:10:06] <daidoji> it'll solve one problem
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[16:10:30] <oyvey> but if u look deeper into it its not actually a problem
[16:11:34] <Holger> My phone ringing all day because you keep posting crap remains a problem no matter how deep I look.
[16:12:15] <oyvey> oh hello masked man, i just posted 5 messages what r u talkin about
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[16:12:58] <oyvey> get that phone repaired asap
[16:13:07] <Viktor Lindberg> Holger: are you going to moderate the community, or should I leave?
[16:13:31] <oyvey> Holger: ban me for justice np
[16:13:47] <oyvey> i dont leave for the fag to feel that justice delivered
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[16:15:59] <ij> Holger, I’m with Viktor of moderating, especially because of message at 17:16
[16:17:21] <oyvey> ij: my first message was on 18:11
[16:17:36] <oyvey> just use quote
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[16:18:44] <Licaon_Kter> Timezones...what's that...
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[16:20:40] <oyvey> thats what i tried to explain to ij Licaon_Kter
[16:20:53] <oyvey> by "just use quote"
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[16:36:20] <opal> can always mute / block problem users and they will go away out of boredom
[16:36:32] <opal> hm, applied patch https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/1d7e29765e4eae3a5d6e3d594dfb2e9b4f1bd8af.patch but still having issue building cache_tab, came across this issue about it https://github.com/processone/cache_tab/issues/21
[16:36:52] <opal> tried bumping cache_tab to 1.0.24
[16:37:10] <opal> oh wait patch didnt apply i think, its still stuck at 1.0.22
[16:37:18] <opal> yeah it didnt apply im stupid
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[16:40:47] <oyvey> agreed ^^^
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[16:43:20] <opal> i should read more carefully, evidently https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/21312c79aa1c1c319f2b1859184a5ef3126c7ac9.patch fixes those
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[16:43:22] <opal> heh...
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[16:48:08] <opal> planning to run ejabberd on my pi for a personal account :>
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[16:48:47] <opal> using prosody for my volatile.bz server which has a few people on it, for now that still works alright. i do want to try this though
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[17:10:12] <Viktor Lindberg> opal: muting users doesn't help with creating an inclusive community.
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[17:13:36] <opal> having a stronghold on others and telling people how to moderate their spaces doesnt help either
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[17:23:44] <ij> not to speak up against hate, racism and transphobia is the wrong thing to do
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[17:24:57] <opal> guess i have two more people to mute. i'm trans but i hear enough of this virtue signalling everywhere i go. i'm here for ejabberd foremost
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[17:25:34] <opal> that guy's posts were offtopic no matter what way you look at it, and he was kicked off that basis alone. that's pretty much the end of it
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[17:42:45] <Viktor Lindberg> opal: moderation of communities is important. Especially if we want a more diverse community where everyone feels welcome. If that's not what you want then that's fine. But I do want that.
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[17:44:10] <opal> ive been awful close to the issue, both online and in real life, where "diversity" and "tolerance" mean anything but that, so unless i should block you, i'd like to drop this conversation as well
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[17:52:23] <opal> plenty of other places to talk about this anyhow
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[18:06:34] <Holger> Sigh. Viktor Lindberg: We moderate the way we see fit, you join or leave as you see fit, end of story. So yes what opal said.
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[18:07:40] <opal> can even add me and talk to me about it in private if you wish, wowaname@volatile.bz, long as it isnt here. i'm on-and-off still trying to package ejabberd for alpine and i might have more questions about it if i can't figure this out
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[18:08:47] <opal> er, fix the package for alpine. it's been stuck at version 17 i think for the longest time, and i even had issues with that because of the new erlang changes
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[18:09:19] <Holger> opal: Sure just ask if anything is unclear.  Or if some patch looks like crap 🙂
[18:09:28] <opal> ha
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[18:10:14] <Holger> opal: I think I've seen OTP patches trying to fix musl libc foo some months ago so I would've hoped OTP 23 is fine …
[18:10:31] <opal> yeah so far no musl issues to my knowledge
[18:10:45] <opal> unless theyre fixed in the erlang package itself. i hadnt paid much attention
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