Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, July 22, 2020< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[01:40:35] <daidoji> does `module_update_specs` bring anything beyond what already exists in the ejabberd github repo?
[01:40:48] <daidoji> like what exactly does that command do?  I don't really understand why it exists
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[01:47:24] <daidoji> or is it like a mechanism of hotloading new modules on the fly while the node is running?
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[01:55:59] <daidoji> oh, that must be what it is.  I see.
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[06:33:28] <Holger> daidoji: It's about modules in repos such as https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib …
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[08:48:00] <kolbrich> Holger, my jitsi meet started to work. jitsi has many places where focus as username is hard-coded and that was the reason, it failed to establish a conference bridge.
[08:48:23] <kolbrich> changed the user in ldap and in jitsis config and it works.
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[09:19:14] <Holger> kolbrich, phew! 🙂
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[09:21:14] <kolbrich> at least one good message this week :D
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[11:47:41] <Holger> https://mongooseim.readthedocs.io/en/2.0.0/modules/mod_http_notification/
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[11:48:16] <Holger> Is this the closest thing to that we have?:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_post_log
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[16:48:58] <antranigv> wait, while using ejabberd with PSQL, how should I create the tables?
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[16:49:34] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/sql/pg.sql
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[16:49:44] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: "new"
[16:50:01] <antranigv> brr been looking for that
[16:50:21] <Holger> 🤷
[16:50:36] <Licaon_Kter> antranigv: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/installation/#backend-database
[16:50:56] <Licaon_Kter> antranigv: use the one with "new" in the filename
[16:51:25] <Holger> I tend to recommend the "old" as that doesn't require a config switch and I see no downside. But yes "new" will work just as well 🙂
[16:51:39] <Holger> Throw a coin.
[16:52:08] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: wasn't new recommended?
[16:52:28] <Holger> Probably. Depends who you ask I guess 🙂
[16:53:51] <Licaon_Kter> Usecases...right
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[16:53:54] <Holger> zinid had big plans of auto-converting to the new one day.  No idea whether that'll ever be implemented.  But yes if we do ever deprecate the old one then using the new one now avoids that conversion step in the future.
[16:53:59] <Licaon_Kter> antranigv: read https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/toplevel/#new-sql-schema
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[16:55:23] <Holger> I hate how we live with both now for such a long time, and for the foreseeable future. No obvious (to me) gain and much confusion.
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[16:56:10] <Holger> Tigase people recently proudly announced how they now support separate DBs per domain as that would make life much easier 😂
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[16:56:25] <Holger> I.e. their "new" is our "old".
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[17:01:47] <antranigv> hmm there's also pg.new.sql and pg.sql
[17:01:49] <antranigv> I'll try pg.sql
[17:01:59] <Holger> That was the topic 🙂
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[17:02:13] <Holger> Nah ignore me and go for Licaon_Kter's suggestion:
[17:02:20] <Holger> Use pg.new.sql.
[17:02:36] <Holger> And then configure `new_sql_schema: true`.
[17:02:52] <Holger> As I said this possibly avoids a conversion step in the future.
[17:03:07] <antranigv> oh sorry I just got the old messages
[17:03:10] <antranigv> connection issues
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[19:14:25] <daidoji> Oh, I guess you can't run tests while an ejabberd instance is running
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[19:14:41] <daidoji> can I do PR change suggestions to the website docs somewhere?
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[19:17:14] <Holger> daidoji, right now it's a bit complicated, depends on which parts of the docs.
There's this repo: https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im
But the actual ejabberd modules are now documented directly in the Erlang code, and the module docs on the web site are generated from that documentation.
[19:17:15] <daidoji> oh, found it nevermind https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im/tree/master/content
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[19:17:20] <daidoji> haha thanks Holger
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[19:17:45] <daidoji> yeah I've noticed a few instances where it seemed like they diverged
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[19:53:45] <daidoji> What are the tradeoffs to using mnesia as the backend?  Isn't it a pretty reliable database?  Like didn't whatsapp not deviate from mnesia?
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[19:54:50] <Holger> daidoji, Mnesia wasn't designed with persistent storage of non-trivial amounts of data in mind.  It's awesome for (distributed) runtime data though.  I.e. it's more like Redis than like SQL.
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[19:56:24] <Holger> daidoji, depending on how you configure Mnesia, you either have the full DB contents in memory (that's the default), in which case everything is fine and blazingly fast.  But obviously limited by the amount of your RAM.  Or you do disc-only storage, in which case everything is horrible and you have a hard 2 GB limit.  That's what mod_mam_mnesia does by default.
[19:56:31] <mightyBroccoli> I have a user that is not able to log back in because ejabberd complains that there are too many unacked stanzas.
Which results in him connecting and then disconnection every 3 seconds.
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[19:57:18] <daidoji> Holger , oh I see.
[19:57:26] <Holger> daidoji, or you throw tons of weird magic on top of Mnesia with the goal of turning it into the best SQL replacement since sliced bread.  That's what WhatsApp does.  Kinda cool, yes 🙂
[19:57:37] <daidoji> cool, thanks
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[19:58:51] <Holger> mightyBroccoli, well obvious question is where those stanzas are coming from.  Either tons of presence stanzas from tons of contacts or some weird gateway thing or whatever.  Or ... messages.
[19:59:03] <daidoji> Holger or actually, why do you think they went that route instead of just using an SQL backend?
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[20:01:30] <Holger> daidoji: SQL clustering wasn't exactly awesome back then, so I guess there was nothing that worked out of the box for them and the question was which technology to extend. And then it might not be the weirdest idea to extend the native thing.
[20:01:49] <mightyBroccoli> I though about presence stanzas, because the user does not have any offline messages or mam storage enabled.
[20:02:16] <Holger> daidoji: They published a new Mnesia storage backend just recently, was going to look into it.
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[20:06:41] <daidoji> Holger cool. Thanks for the info.  Probably a lot of right ways to do things, I'm just always interested why people choose to do the things they do.
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[20:12:13] <mightyBroccoli> Is the policy violation caused by the amount of stanzas or the size of all the stanzas received? So essentially could I mitigate the issue by increasing the allowed max_stanza_size temporarily ?
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[20:12:46] <Holger> Amount of stanzas.  There's a `mod_stream_mgmt` option for that.
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[20:15:55] <mightyBroccoli> ahh ok thanks :) that did fix the issue
[20:16:11] <antranigv> what, how do I get the MAM archive with message markers for MUCs?
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[20:18:27] <Holger> antranigv: Message markers?  XEP-0333?
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[20:18:44] <antranigv> yea, but with MUC :D
[20:18:52] <Holger> antranigv: As per the spec, such things are only stored if the sender included a `<store/>` hint.
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[20:19:13] <Holger> Shouldn't be any different for 1:1 or MUC (assuming the client sends those to MUCs).
[20:20:36] <antranigv> we do send a store hint
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[20:34:41] <Holger> Then I wouldn't know what's different to 1:1.  You could check the DB contents ...
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[21:43:47] <daidoji> how do the sql backends get started?  I see ejabberd_sup start the ejabberd_sql_sup, but it looks like it just picks odbc.  Where does it default to mnesia?
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[21:53:50] <daidoji> oh, each file just picks it out from the options
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[22:30:55] <DarkiJahu> So this is for server software for setting up Birdie?
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[22:32:22] <daidoji> what's Birdie?
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[22:41:53] <DarkiJahu> daidoji: XMPP
[22:42:03] <DarkiJahu> Birdie
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[22:44:12] <daidoji> you're saying those are synonymous?
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[22:51:44] <DarkiJahu> daidoji: yup
[22:52:00] <DarkiJahu> Birdie for the win ;)
[22:52:44] <DarkiJahu> Its the rebranding that will sell XMPP to the Puplic :)
[22:52:51] <DarkiJahu> Birdie
[22:53:35] <DarkiJahu> Who wants a twit when you can send a Birdie?
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[23:03:43] <daidoji> hmm
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[23:16:43] <DarkiJahu> Free as a Birdie a one shot one hole chat platform ;)
[23:17:05] <DarkiJahu> Spreed tge Birdies send them to your friends
[23:17:11] <DarkiJahu> Spreed the Birdies send them to your friends
[23:17:34] <DarkiJahu> Lots of ways to use it to attract peoples attentiom to it.
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