Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, July 23, 2020< ^ >
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[00:20:22] <DarkiJahu> Lots of ways to use it to attract peoples attention to it.
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[09:37:06] <DarkiJahu> Holger: well excuses and words saying this and that is impossible and closeness of mind is not the way to go.
[09:37:56] <DarkiJahu> Holger: well excuses and words saying this and that is impossible and showing closeness of mind is not the way to go.
Like file transfer has always been part of any message application.
[09:38:43] <DarkiJahu> And if someone has a problem with the server as a file server, then get Jingle to work as it should on every client.
[09:38:47] <Holger> Darki absolutely.  If someone does development work in his spare time, offers you the resulting software for free and then doesn't do what you tell him to do there's definitely no excuses at all.
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[09:39:00] <Holger> Dari yes yes he should get his stuff done!!
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[09:39:34] <DarkiJahu> Holger: I think that is fair to get foundational issues fixed before going into all othersm things.
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[09:39:43] <Holger> Darki that's the way you might want to talk to devs you pay 1,000 $/day.  And even that might not work too well.  Now please shut up or I'll ban you.
[09:39:45] <DarkiJahu> Holger: I think that is fair to get foundational issues fixed before going into all other things.
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[09:40:13] <Holger> Darki it's obvious that you don't get the point and I'm giving up trying to make it clear now.
[09:40:39] <DarkiJahu> Holger: what is the point the programmers think they are alone of doing something free?
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[09:40:51] <DarkiJahu> Holger: what is the point, the programmers think they are alone of doing something free?
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[09:42:20] <Holger> Darki so you're fine with other people telling you what to do for them in your spare time?  That's fine but I'm not, and those you've been talking to neither.  You can complain about that fact but it won't help you.
[09:43:02] <Holger> Darki I have a problem with my car.  Stop whatever you're doing right now and help me.
[09:43:25] <Holger> No excuses please.
[09:43:37] <DarkiJahu> Holger: they can do what they want but we want the platform to grow and to not have foundational things fixed should be fixed.
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[09:43:46] <Holger> Then fix them.
[09:44:02] <DarkiJahu> Holger: I'm not a programmer.
[09:44:07] <Holger> Excuses.
[09:44:12] <Holger> Just get it done.
[09:44:15] <DarkiJahu> Holger: no fact.
[09:44:30] <Holger> That way we won't grow.
[09:44:56] <DarkiJahu> And fact is that sending files are foundational and always has been since the days of old.
[09:45:05] <franky> DarkiJahu: It's an excuse. Programmers aren't born. You can learn to program as well!
[09:45:05] <DarkiJahu> Gives the freedom to the user.
[09:45:08] <Holger> Anyone can learn programming to implement file sending.
[09:45:27] <Holger> Don't find excuses for doing something else instead.
[09:45:54] <DarkiJahu> Holger: I have other things - just a user telling you guys what users want.
[09:46:06] <Holger> O
[09:46:13] <Holger> I'm telling you what I want.
[09:46:17] <DarkiJahu> And sending files are foundational.
[09:46:33] <Holger> Absolutely.  Learn programming.  Implement it.  Now.
[09:46:37] <Holger> Sill not done?
[09:47:13] <DarkiJahu> Holger: sigh
[09:47:38] <Holger> Exactly. Sigh.
[09:48:08] <Holger> Fun being spamned with such crap eh?
[09:48:33] <Holger> Fun being spammed with such crap eh?
[09:48:35] <DarkiJahu> Not the same.
[09:49:20] <Holger> Telling others to do is not the same as others telling you what to do, that's right. Only the former is fun.
[09:50:04] <DarkiJahu> Pointing out things which could help the platform and has not been worked out yet, and yet should have been there from the beginning of its conception.
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[09:51:41] <Holger> If someone is so much more knowledgeable than all those devs, he should really learn to program.
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[09:51:59] <DarkiJahu> Mirc, ICQ, Messenger and Skype and most likely others had these things as foundational.
[09:52:25] <DarkiJahu> Holger: I'm not a programmer, its not my skill.
[09:52:46] <Holger> Yes. It's totally obvious how you're knowledgeable and we're all too stupid to get even basic things right. So become a programmer.
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[09:52:48] <DarkiJahu> Never has and never will be.
[09:54:00] <Holger> I can well imagine you're right that you suck at programming. But it can't be worse than your communication skills, and that doesn't stop you from communicating all day. What stops you from programming.
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[09:54:22] <DarkiJahu> Holger: Just trying to help. If i run into issues then others will to. And saying it is not important, not possible or whatever comes by does not fly.
[09:54:33] <Holger> You're not helping.
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[09:55:36] <DarkiJahu> Well... Guess thats up to the eyes who sees.
[09:56:06] <DarkiJahu> Not a file sharing server - well fix Jingle.
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[09:56:17] <Holger> Yes. And if a specific pair of eyes tells me I'm not helping, I shut up.
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[09:56:57] <DarkiJahu> Then you don't need to share but people can have the freedom to share as it should be with each other.
[09:57:34] <DarkiJahu> Excuses is everywhere and just provide solutions.
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[12:55:57] <mightyBroccoli> Damn Holger that was ruthless 😂
[12:57:56] <Holger> Sorry for the spam :-)
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[12:59:28] <mightyBroccoli> I wouldn't call that spam rather entertainment 😂
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[20:28:06] <Amolith> Are database migrations during upgrades necessary when using Mnesia?
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[20:28:22] <opal> yo amolith
[20:28:31] <Amolith> henlo
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[20:32:32] <Amolith> Right now, I'm trying to increment through releases to get to latest stable. Ideally, I would switch from Mnesia to SQL and from the quick install procedure to the Debian package but I don't know if that's possible. First step is getting to stable
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[20:36:59] <Holger> Amolith: You can just upgrade to the current Debian (backports) release, move the Mnesia files into (I think) `/var/lib/ejabberd`, and start the new version.
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[20:37:27] <Holger> No need to upgrade incrementally, no need to perform manual schema changes.
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[20:37:37] <Holger> And then convert to SQL.
[20:38:00] <Amolith> Well that's nice.
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[20:39:35] <Amolith> > No need to upgrade incrementally, no need to perform manual schema changes.
Is this because the Mnesia schema is code controlled and ejabberd handles migrations automatically?
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[20:40:12] <Holger> Yes. There's explicit migration code for Mnesia changes.
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[20:40:35] <Holger> And there's way fewer changes to the Mnesia schema 🙂
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[20:44:30] <Amolith> That's quite nice
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[20:46:31] <Holger> Yes but you want to use SQL nevertheless 😉
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