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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[01:45:03] <daidoji> For mod_muc_sup.erl why does start() have a slightly different spec than the spec in init()?
[01:45:25] <daidoji> this might be an erlang newb question
[01:45:44] <daidoji> like I'm still not entirely clear on start vs start_link vs start_monitor and when to use each
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[01:53:36] <daidoji> or that was poorly worded.  I understand what each does, I don't quite understand when to use which when making modules on ejabberd
[01:57:44] <daidoji> Like this one: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_muc_sup.erl#L34
vs this one: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_muc_sup.erl#L55
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[02:13:46] <daidoji> oh wait I see.  the start and start_link are for that module, the init is starting up the room supservisors
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[02:21:28] <daidoji> what is the difference between ejabberd_tmp_sup and ejabberd_gen_mod_sup?
[02:21:38] <daidoji> like their intended purposes I mean
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[06:48:01] <conv> Build from source and setting the user to the system user. I tried to start the service but got the following error:
Synchronizing state of ejabberd.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable ejabberd
update-rc.d: error: ejabberd Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
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[06:53:56] <Holger> conv: Seems your distribution is insisting on LSB comments in init scripts and the ejabberd one you're using is missing (some of?) those: https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html
[06:54:10] <Holger> conv: But if you have systemd you should just be using the systemd unit instead.
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[06:55:32] <conv> I am using systemd. Copied the file to /etc/systemd/system/ which is normal
[06:55:52] <Holger> conv: And then did `systemctl enable ejabberd`?
[06:55:57] <Licaon_Kter> `systemctl daemon-reload` first
[06:56:01] <Holger> Right.
[06:56:05] <conv> Yes. Did all that
[06:56:26] <Holger> Though maybe the systemd/init sync foo still insists on proper LSB headers.
[06:56:33] <Holger> Maybe just ditch the init script :-)
[06:57:00] <Holger> Is that the init script shipped with p1's binary release?
[06:57:30] <Holger> If so, is that different from this one: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.init.template
[06:57:31] <Holger> ?
[06:57:39] <Holger> Because that one looks fine.
[06:58:36] <conv> Yes. Copied is to init.d
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[06:59:46] <Holger> daidoji: ejabberd_gen_mod_sup is a dedicated supervisor for the gen_mod process with the restart strategy being set to 'permanent' (if gen_mod dies it's restarted no matter what).
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[07:05:52] <Holger> daidoji: ejabberd_tmp_sup is our _template_ for a simple_one_for_one supervisor, i.e. you call ejabberd_tmp_sup:start_link(mod_daidoji_sup, mod_daidoji) and you get a supervisor with restart strategy 'temporary' (i.e., no auto-restarts).
[07:07:14] <Holger> daidoji: ejabberd being the monster it is is not really the easiest example to get into OTP conventions :-)
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[07:24:55] <Holger> daidoji:
> ejabberd_gen_mod_sup is a dedicated supervisor for the gen_mod process with the restart strategy being set to 'permanent'
Ah this was misleading sorry.  'ejabberd_gen_mod_sup' is the generic supervisor for modules (and _their_ restart strategy is 'transient', i.e. restart on error).  MUC is a special beast but usually you'd add module processes to 'ejabberd_gen_mod_sup' by calling gen_mod:start_child().
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[07:33:27] <Holger> daidoji: Maybe it would help a bit to look at an ejabberd instance with Observer (<https://erlang.org/doc/apps/observer/users_guide.html>)?
[07:34:03] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/09OMbLURovKHgqHV/observer.png
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[09:19:26] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> nice pic.. remnds me of the yea 80'
[09:19:27] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> :P
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[09:38:46] <Holger> WxWidgets using GTK+2.  I think they support GTK+3 these days, maybe I just installed the wrong packages?  Who cares :-)
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[10:23:55] <Holger> 🤷
[10:24:13] <Holger> I see you guys have an eye for the essentials 🙂
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[16:02:00] <stian> To enable OMEMO I have to enable force_node_config, if I understand. Does this look correct?
  mod_pubsub:
    access_createnode: pubsub_createnode
    plugins:
      - flat
      - pep
    force_node_config:
      ## "eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*":
      "*":
        access_model: open
      ## Avoid buggy clients to make their bookmarks public
      storage:bookmarks:
        access_model: whitelist
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[16:09:34] <Licaon_Kter> stian: yup
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[16:18:21] <stian> Sounds good. :) Thanks Liacon_Kter
[16:19:03] <stian> I also found and solved my performance issues. I am running debian sid, and it seems I had old xmpp libs due to a depentency problem in apt.
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[16:22:25] <stian> If anyone is interested or gets problems Badlop solved them for me here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/63452563/ejabberd-is-using-all-available-cpu-how-to-debug/63455308#63455308
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[16:34:15] <Licaon_Kter> stian: afa100 is a repo?
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[18:08:28] <stian> Good question
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[18:08:40] <stian> two years since I installed that package
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[18:12:48] <stian> Yes it is: https://apt.jabber.at/dists/buster/all/binary-amd64/Packages
[18:13:02] <stian> It was from the apt.jabber.at repo. That is probably the issue.
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[18:18:12] <stian> just searched to check no more jabber.at packages was present.
[18:18:35] <stian> now all are sid :) much better, less hacky
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[18:33:02] <daidoji> Holger , yeah thanks for all that.
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[18:33:31] <daidoji> I was trying to understand what each process in the muc heirarchy was for logically and why they go to the different sups
[18:34:02] <daidoji> like why do we want muc_rooms to be started under "ejabberd_tmp_sup"  and not ejaberd_gen_mod_sup?
[18:35:23] <daidoji> and in your observer picture why is there `mod_muc_1-4` and what does that process do (in your picture I think this corresponds to the processes named mod_muc_messaging_1-4)?
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[18:36:27] <daidoji> like mod_muc_sup makes sense, it manages the mod_muc_room_sup (and other mod_muc processes).  
mod_muc_room_sup makes sense (it manages the mod_muc_room processes)
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[18:36:58] <daidoji> then mod_muc_mnesia and ejabberd_backend_sup manages the backends we've configured right?  but what are those mod_muc_1-4 processes for?
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[18:37:20] <daidoji> and the mod_muc_rooms are what actually deal with the messages that are routed to them somehow right?
[18:38:24] <Holger> I'd need to take another look myself, can't answer the details from the top of my head.  But either way ejaberd_gen_mod_sup (or rather the wrapper functions in gen_mod) are designed for one module process per virtual domain.
[18:39:03] <Holger> So you need MUC-specific stuff.
[18:39:15] <daidoji> well I don't know if I need any of this.  I was just trying to understand it
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[18:39:52] <daidoji> I picked mod_muc_sup to try and emulate for my own supervisor process that'll correspond to muc rooms and maybe that was a bad choice
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[18:40:15] <Holger> I _guess_ mod_muc_messaging_1-4 are just the actual worker processes handling the four persistent rooms on my dev server but am also not sure about that from the top of my head.
[18:40:16] <daidoji> as it was a bit more complicated than I expected, but I think that's just because I don't understand what's doing what where
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[18:40:54] <Holger> I think the complications are mostly due to you wanting to spawn one process per room which is super-untypical a use case.
[18:41:28] <Holger> Any other module that spawns a process just uses the gen_mod functions and that's it.
[18:42:12] <Holger> So yes for your use case there's more foo to understand.  I can have another look later or tomorrow.
[18:43:07] <daidoji> got ya, no need to worry thanks for your help.  Just trying to understand and asking a bunch of questions
[18:43:26] <daidoji> I think I can do it with the hooks you mentioned anyways.
[18:44:56] <daidoji> haha, I'm a curious cat
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[18:47:50] <daidoji> Like the nice thing about erlang is the meat and potatoes of the functions that are called are really easy to understand, but that does seem to come at a cost of clarity in how the bootstrapping/initialization process works (for me anyways).  I'm sure thats just inexperience on my part though.
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[18:56:09] <Holger> Took me long to get into that as well, basically because I only dabbled with ejabberd and various other projects that were started/maintained by others for years.  I was aware of the concepts in theory but didn't really have a good feeling for the bootstrapping.  Was actually part of my motivation to start my own little eturnal.net thingy.  Once you do it yourself suddenly everything totally makes sense 😂
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[19:47:07] <daidoji> Does ejabberd have support for Mix? https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/040215/what-does-sp-500-index-measure-and-how-it-calculated.asp
[19:47:08] <daidoji> whoops
[19:47:14] <daidoji> meant to post this https://tigase.net/tigase-im-mix/
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[19:53:51] <sep1ol> daidoji, https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-mix
[19:54:48] <daidoji> oh cool, thanks
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[20:08:13] <Holger> daidoji: The specs are still in flux and ejabberd's implementation hasn't been updated since last year, we're now missing an important part that has been agreed on early this year.  (Plus other optional parts that Tigase does support.)
[20:08:30] <Holger> My next big to-do item I guess (sigh) ...
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[20:13:46] <daidoji> ahhh roger
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[20:26:42] <daidoji> let me know if I can help
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[20:56:57] <daidoji> in the jid header, there's a user/server/resource and then an luser/lserver/lresource, what is the difference?
[20:57:27] <daidoji> oh wait nevermind
[20:57:30] <daidoji> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12660547/ejabber-structures-and-roster
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[21:09:43] <conv> Is it a must that the host defined be a resource that exists?
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