Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, September 7, 2020< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[08:49:42] <wunderfitz> I have some issue with in-client registration. After inserting the captcha and pushing "Next" i get following error in the ejabberdctl live log:
[08:49:44] <wunderfitz> </query><error code='403' type='auth'><forbidden xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'/><text xml:lang='en' xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'>Access denied by service policy</text></error></iq>">>
[08:50:17] <Licaon_Kter> wunderfitz: check your web server logs?
[08:50:27] <wunderfitz> k
[08:50:43] <Licaon_Kter> Who serves the captcha image?
[08:51:24] <wunderfitz> ejabberd_captcha on 5443
[08:51:42] <Licaon_Kter> Can you reach the captcha in a browser?
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[08:52:14] <wunderfitz> would that just be *address*:5443
[08:52:25] <wunderfitz> or any /captcha thingy in between
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[08:57:13] <Licaon_Kter> The full url of the image...you need the whole thing, dunno
[08:57:56] <wunderfitz> ok, thanks
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[09:56:30] <wunderfitz> no output in apaches log files (access & error) concerning 5443 or ejabberd services
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[09:56:56] <wunderfitz> in the ejabberd.yml, isnt there the captcha = true missing under mod_register?
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[09:57:05] <wunderfitz> i mean in the example
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[10:03:31] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/basic/#captcha
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[10:05:23] <wunderfitz> I will :)
[10:05:28] <wunderfitz> one more question:
[10:06:03] <wunderfitz> when I try to restart ejabberd by doing "ejabberdctl restart" or "start" and then "stop" I get this message
[10:06:04] <wunderfitz> Failed to create dirty cpu scheduler thread 3, error = 11
Aborted
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[10:11:21] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> not ejabberd related...erlang related
why do you restart instead of `reload_config` ?
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[10:13:28] <wunderfitz> ok, sorry, I will stop spamming. I tried reload_config before, with same message
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[10:16:22] <Holger> wunderfitz: What's your mod_register config? Looks like an access rule forbidding registration.
[10:17:11] <Holger> wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any ERL_OPTS in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
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[10:20:20] <Holger> wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any `ERL_OPTIONS` in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
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[10:22:10] <wunderfitz> > wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any `ERL_OPTIONS` in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
> wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any ERL_OPTS in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
Nope, didnt touch the default config, after a reboot everything is fine. Maybe its because I start/stopped ejabberd to be in live mode. Is there a way to "clink" into a running ejabberdservice like "ejabberdctl live" to have all the live log?
> > wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any ERL_OPTS in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
> Didnt touch the default config, after a reboot everything is fine. Is there a way to "clink" into a running ejabberdservice like "ejabberdctl live" to have all the live log?
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[10:22:30] <wunderfitz> > wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any `ERL_OPTIONS` in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
> wunderfitz: And the other one looks like Erlang is trying to create more threads than permitted by your OS limits. Do you have any ERL_OPTS in your ejabberdctl.cfg?
Nope, didnt touch the default config, after a reboot everything is fine. Maybe its because I start/stopped ejabberd to be in live mode. Is there a way to "clink" into a running ejabberdservice like "ejabberdctl live" to have all the live log?
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[10:24:13] <wunderfitz> > wunderfitz: What's your mod_register config? Looks like an access rule forbidding registration.
Thanks, I checked it and found a mistake. Thanks a lot for helping begginers here
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[10:35:56] <Licaon_Kter> What mistake?
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[10:44:11] <whysix> Hello!
[10:44:29] <whysix> Trying to get ejabberd running.. not sure what is up exactly as im struggling to get it running as a service..
[10:45:11] <whysix> ● ejabberd.service - XMPP Server
     Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/ejabberd.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
     Active: activating (auto-restart) (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2020-09-07 10:44:45 UTC>
    Process: 176678 ExecStart=/bin/sh -c /home/xmpp/ejabberd-20.07/bin/ejabberdctl start && >
Sep 07 10:44:45 vps-45fc426a systemd[1]: ejabberd.service: Control process exited, code=exit>
Sep 07 10:44:45 vps-45fc426a systemd[1]: ejabberd.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Sep 07 10:44:45 vps-45fc426a systemd[1]: Failed to start XMPP Server.
[10:45:12] <Licaon_Kter> whysix: what OS?
[10:45:17] <whysix> Ubuntu 20.04
[10:45:29] <Licaon_Kter> ejabberd.log says what?
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[10:48:06] <whysix> from the install directory? Nothing mcuh.. shall I paste some logs here?
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[10:48:30] <whysix> I can make it run by running the 'ejabberdctl live'
[10:49:12] <whysix> its just not running as a service with the .service file provided
[10:49:47] <whysix> the directory is in a user xmpp... im not sure how the moving parts interact and if that is not suitable?
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[11:57:22] <Licaon_Kter> Dunno where ejabberd.log is for you but see what it says
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[12:15:18] <wunderfitz> > What mistake?
a missing "register: all" line in access:
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[12:18:28] <wunderfitz> server is running now, had to disable captcha so that the iOS/ChatSecure could register. Video/Voice calls only work with Conversations/Android. Is this not supported?
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[12:18:48] <Licaon_Kter> wunderfitz: Monal? Siskin?
[12:19:02] <Licaon_Kter> wunderfitz: Siskin 6 has A/V compatible with C
[12:19:20] <Licaon_Kter> Why ChatSecure?
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[12:19:44] <wunderfitz> Ah, ok. Which work on iOs i guess
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[12:20:29] <Licaon_Kter> CS's only feature is OMEMO in groups, else there's no reason not to switch to the other two.
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[12:21:24] <wunderfitz> so the other two dont have OMEMO MUC?
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[12:22:10] <Holger> Right.
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[12:23:40] <wunderfitz> what about captcha support? Same? (the other two yes CS no)
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[12:28:32] <Licaon_Kter> wunderfitz: dunno, do test and report :)
[12:28:41] <wunderfitz> aight ;)
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[15:21:28] <wunderfitz> MySQL in the binaries should be supported in 20.07. right? I followed the official guide on process one but got a p1 error.
[15:22:14] <Holger> Posting the error message might help :-)  (But I gotta run now.)
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[15:24:53] <wunderfitz> 2020-09-07 16:26:06 =CRASH REPORT====crasher:initial call: ejabberd_sql:init/1pid: <0.454.0>registered_name: 'ejabberd_sql_wunderfitzig.net_4'exception exit: {{undef,[{p1_mysql_conn,start,["localhost",3306,"ejabberd","***","ejabberd",5000,#Fun<ejabberd_sql.75.89054237>,[]],[]},{ejabberd_sql,mysql_connect,8,[{file,"ejabberd_sql.erl"},{line,1011}]},{ejabberd_sql,connecting,2,[{file,"ejabberd_sql.erl"},{line,352}]},{p1_fsm,handle_msg,10,[{file,"p1_fsm.erl"},{line,582}]},{proc_lib,init_p_do_apply,3,[{file,"proc_lib.erl"},{line,249}]}]},[{p1_fsm,terminate,8,[{file,"p1_fsm.erl"},{line,760}]},{proc_lib,init_p_do_apply,3,[{file,"proc_lib.erl"},{line,249}]}]}ancestors: ['ejabberd_sql_sup_wunderfitzig.net',ejabberd_db_sup,ejabberd_sup,<0.104.0>]message_queue_len: 0messages: []links: [<0.450.0>]dictionary: [{'$internal_queue_len',0}]trap_exit: truestatus: runningheap_size: 987stack_size: 27reductions: 607neighbours:
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[15:30:47] <Holger> How did you install ejabberd?
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[15:31:59] <wunderfitz> via apt install from buster-backports
[15:32:27] <wunderfitz> erlang p1 mysql is installed
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[15:32:45] <Holger> I guess erlang-p1-mysql is not installed from backports.
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[15:34:25] <wunderfitz> apt prompts its installed
[15:34:37] <Holger> From backports?
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[15:34:46] <Holger> `apt-cache policy erlang-p1-mysql`
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[15:36:08] <wunderfitz> yes
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[15:36:54] <wunderfitz> ah, no, from buster main
[15:37:02] <Holger> What's the output of `dpkg -l ejabberd erlang-p1-mysql`?
[15:37:03] <Holger> Ah.
[15:37:42] <wunderfitz> Gewünscht=Unbekannt/Installieren/R=Entfernen/P=Vollständig Löschen/Halten
| Status=Nicht/Installiert/Config/U=Entpackt/halb konFiguriert/
         Halb installiert/Trigger erWartet/Trigger anhängig
|/ Fehler?=(kein)/R=Neuinstallation notwendig (Status, Fehler: GROSS=schlecht)
||/ Name            Version         Architektur  Beschreibung
+++-===============-===============-============-=====================================================
ii  ejabberd        20.07-1~bpo10+1 amd64        distributed, fault-tolerant Jabber/XMPP + MQTT server
ii  erlang-p1-mysql 1.0.8-1         amd64        pure Erlang MySQL driver
[15:37:55] <Holger> Yes as I said, you need to upgrade to the backports version.
[15:38:17] <wunderfitz> thanks!
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[15:42:56] <Сейд> !info a3.pm
[15:42:56] <Servant> Сейд: a3.pm is running since 6 weeks 3 days 5 hours 16 minutes
a3.pm is running ejabberd version 20.04 on unix/linux 4.15.0
contact addresses for a3.pm are
- abuse-addresses : mailto:xmppabuse@ave.zone
- security-addresses : mailto:xmppsecurity@ave.zone
[15:43:16] <Сейд> !info lime2.su
[15:43:18] <Servant> Сейд: lime2.su is running since 2 days 20 hours 13 minutes 25 seconds
lime2.su is running ejabberd version 19.09.1.
lime2.su has no contact addresses configured.
[15:43:40] <Сейд> Why no?
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[15:44:31] <Сейд> mod_disco:
    server_info:
      -
        modules: all
        name: "admin"
        urls:
          - "mailto:root@lime2.su"
          - "xmpp:admin@lime2.su"
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[15:50:11] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Why 19.09.1? Get 20.07 from backports 😉
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[15:51:03] <Сейд> This is the latest version in the Fedora repository.
[15:51:09] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> ```
  mod_disco:
    server_info:
      -
        modules: all
        name: "abuse-addresses"
        urls: ["xmpp:admin@mydomain.tld"]
      -
        modules: [mod_disco]
        name: "feedback-addresses"
        urls: ["xmpp:admin@mydomain.tld"]
      -
        modules:
          - mod_disco
          - mod_vcard
        name: "admin-addresses"
        urls: ["xmpp:admin@mydomain.tld"]
```
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[15:51:23] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> bowlofeggs is that true? Shame
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[15:58:10] <wunderfitz> > This is the latest version in the Fedora repository.
is there no fedora "testing" repi? debian has it under backports
[15:58:15] <wunderfitz> *repo
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[16:08:55] <Сейд> Do I have mod_disco configured incorrectly?
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[16:09:16] <Сейд> wunderfitz: Fedora 32
[16:09:56] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Yes, read my snippet, it's not admin
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[16:10:47] <wunderfitz> ich checked, its under the "noarch" flag in the fedora repos
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[16:11:38] <Сейд> name: Name
Any arbitrary name of the contact.
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[16:14:07] <Сейд> "admin"
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[16:17:06] <Licaon_Kter> `name:` is not that, read again and adapt
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[16:23:55] <Сейд> I quoted the documentation.
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[16:28:50] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> right
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[16:30:20] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> But if you look in the XEP itself, those appear like I said: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0157.html
so maybe the bot just searches for them....and yours do not match
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[16:41:28] <Сейд> Thanks. You should specify this in the documentation.
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[16:42:13] <Сейд> !info lime2.su
[16:42:15] <Servant> Сейд: lime2.su is running since 4 minutes 51 seconds
lime2.su is running ejabberd version 19.09.1.
contact addresses for lime2.su are
- abuse-addresses : mailto:root@lime2.su
- feedback-addresses : mailto:root@lime2.su , xmpp:admin@lime2.su
- admin-addresses : mailto:root@lime2.su , xmpp:admin@lime2.su
[16:43:06] <Сейд> Or rather, fix the bot.
[16:44:06] <Licaon_Kter> mightyBroccoli: thoughts^^^?
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[16:50:34] <bowlofeggs> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: in fedora we have a policy of maintaining compatibility in stable releases. Newer versions of fedora have new ejabberd versions (upcoming f33 has the latest release as of now)
[16:51:15] <bowlofeggs> I.e., we dont put new features in a stable fedora release (there are exceptions), and aim for just bug fixes
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[16:52:27] <bowlofeggs> Сейд, Licaon_Kter : I do maintain an ejabberd copr that brings the newer ejabberd versions to stable releases
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[16:54:22] <bowlofeggs> See https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/erlang/ejabberd/
[16:54:29] <mightyBroccoli> sorry I missed big parts of this discussion what should the bot do differently?
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[16:55:38] <bowlofeggs> There is not a fedora "testing" repo, but there is a fedora "rolling/next version" release called rawhide, and rawhide has the latest ejabberd. However, it is not advisable to install a rawhide package on a stable releade
[16:55:44] <bowlofeggs> There is not a fedora "testing" repo, but there is a fedora "rolling/next version" release called rawhide, and rawhide has the latest ejabberd. However, it is not advisable to install a rawhide package on a stable release
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[16:58:40] <Licaon_Kter> mightyBroccoli: 157 if the name of the entry is not exactly as the xep example the bot does not show it
[17:00:01] <mightyBroccoli> Сейд‎: the bot only lists contact addresses which are listed in the form standardization part of the xep.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0157.html#registrar-formtype
Therefore the field "admin" will not be listed. Do not mistake the contact abbreviation syntax with the actual name.
If you only want the admin-address you could query the bot like this "!contact magicbroccoli.de admin" the actual field must be admin-addresses
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[17:01:20] <Licaon_Kter> Is that a MUST? Eg. docs.ejabberd.im has free form examples ping badlop
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[17:03:14] <mightyBroccoli> true, but the xep spec states that the fields must be those. right?
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[17:04:03] <bowlofeggs> slight amendment to my prior statement: fedora does have a "testing" repo (called updates-testing), but it's not analogous to the debian testing repo. that's what i meant when i said it doesnt' have one. fedora's testing repo is where updates go for QA testing before they are released to stable releases (this is how fedora does bug fixes). it's not supposed to be used to give users major new verions of software, but rather for security/bug fixes
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[17:04:27] <Licaon_Kter> bowlofeggs: neither does for Debian, but hey...
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[17:05:18] <bowlofeggs> hah, yeah sometimes people don't follow the rules in fedora, so it kinda varies by maintainer unfortunately. but the purpose of the updates-testing repo is documented to be for bug/security fixes only, and i try to follow those guidelines with the ejabberd package
[17:05:49] <bowlofeggs> anyways, this is why i provide that copr repo for users who *do* want the new ejabberd but want an otherwise stable fedora release
[17:06:14] <bowlofeggs> so the user can explicitly opt-in to the newer versions, but by default they get a stable ejabberd
[17:06:56] <bowlofeggs> full disclosure: i rarely backport bug fixes. i have made some selinux fixes occasionally, but i don't often backport other fixes. i do read release notes to look for mention of security issues
[17:07:23] <bowlofeggs> if there were a security issue and a backport were difficult for me (i don't know erlang well), that might be an example of a time i would make an exception
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[17:09:08] <Сейд> Hmm, I think so. You should change the documentation.
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[17:10:17] <Servant> Сейд: lime2.su is running since 23 minutes 38 seconds
lime2.su is running ejabberd version 19.09.1.
contact addresses for lime2.su are
- admin-addresses : mailto:root@lime2.su , xmpp:admin@lime2.su
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[17:12:06] <bowlofeggs> heh, sorry for so much wall-o-text, but one more clarification: when i say "stable ejabberd", i don't mean to imply that upstream is unstable. i mean more that they can expect teh same feature set/compatibility throughout the lifecycle of the fedora version they are using. so stable as in "minor changes only", not as in "works more reliably"
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[17:16:54] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> nothing is stable ever :_
[17:17:00] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> nothing is stable ever 🙂
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[17:27:24] <rom1dep> bowlofeggs: perhaps fedora could use an exception for ejabbeed regarding the "sable-only" policy. Upstream is backwards compatible enough for updates to be almost always only beneficial stability and security wise. All this policy is creating is either more maintenance effort if someone is actually backporting those fixes, or arbitrarily insecure deployment out of misguided ideological reason. It's the same "good upstream looks bad" lose-lose situation I see for mercurial, and community COPRs (I'm also guilty of this) isn't a good answer IMHO
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[17:28:50] <bowlofeggs> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: heh also true
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[17:32:16] <bowlofeggs> rom1dep: there is a process for requesting exceptions to the policy, and we could consider it. but another piece of the policy is that there shouldn't be database migrations in updates to stable fedora releases. though upstream does tend to be backwards compatible (there are times it's not though, like when the config started getting enforced, for example [this was a good change, but users in a stable release don't expect a dnf upgrade to make a package stop working, even if it's due to a config value that is invalid]), there are database migrations in a lot of releases (not all, of course)
[17:32:59] <bowlofeggs> can you clarify the phrase "good upstream looks bad"? do you mean that users blame upstream due to problems resulting from being on an older version?
[17:34:19] <bowlofeggs> i will also point out that users pick their distros for a reason. since fedora isn't a rolling release (like gentoo or arch), i would think users should expect that they lag upstream a bit
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[17:34:46] <bowlofeggs> i.e., a user who wants to stay on the newest software and is ok with changes coming with any given update could pick a distro that works that way
[17:35:01] <bowlofeggs> i happen to run gentoo on a bunch of my systems because i do like having the newer versions of things on them
[17:35:20] <bowlofeggs> (i use a mix of gentoo, centos, and fedora here - ejabberd on fedora)
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[17:36:34] <bowlofeggs> and of course, some users don't think too much about why they pick the distro they pick, so what i say above doesn't necessarily apply to those types of users 🙂
[17:37:24] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> F that, build from source... Centos6 can still do HEAD ejabberd and JitsiMeet, no sweat 😉
[17:37:37] <bowlofeggs> heh, sure that's an option too 🙂
[17:38:02] <bowlofeggs> i'm just trying to follow the guidelines for fedora since they are documented for users, even though not all fedora packagers follow them
[17:38:31] <bowlofeggs> i have been considering getting involved with ejabberd in gentoo as well, because i noticed a few months ago that their version seems pretty out of date
[17:38:43] <bowlofeggs> and if i'm doing it in fedora, might as well do it there while i'm at it
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[17:40:02] <bowlofeggs> oh and all of the above is why i *don't* maintain ejabberd for EPEL
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[17:40:22] <bowlofeggs> because EPEL has a similar policy, and i think maintaining the same version of ejabberd for many years is not a good way to go honestly
[17:40:31] <bowlofeggs> it's the same policy, but just for a LOT longer
[17:41:22] <bowlofeggs> i have considered adding EL to my copr though - that would be easierish (except if i starting having to maintain erlang itself, like if ejabberd needed a newer erlang than was available, for example)
[17:42:20] <bowlofeggs> anyways, imo the good thing is that there are options for the users - between all the kinds of distro available, and as you noted, the ability to build from source (yay FOSS), they really do have a nice menu of options ☺
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[17:43:59] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> I also had to build maven and cmake iirc so that was a long process, reported a bunch of issues, hey time is different during a #workfromhome pandemic
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[17:44:35] <bowlofeggs> yeah that's exactly the sort of thing i would be afraid of if i started maintaining in EPEL
[17:44:46] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> bowlofeggs lots of options, too bad you might realize you chose the wrong one after you've invested in the other parts 🙂
[17:44:47] <bowlofeggs> in copr it's better because i can just remove the package if it becomes too much for me
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[17:44:53] <bowlofeggs> but in EPEL you kinda commit for a long time
[17:45:33] <bowlofeggs> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: yeah, i've been there. i used to use gentoo as my mail server and got bit too many times. eventually i realized that mail hasn't changed at all in a real long time, so now it's just CentOS 7 and just hums along
[17:46:13] <bowlofeggs> CentOS isn't exciting imo, but it is nice that it just keeps working, and for such a long time (10 years!)
[17:46:23] <rom1dep> > there shouldn't be database migrations in updates to stable fedora releases
too bad zinid didn't get to finish transparent migrations :(
> can you clarify the phrase "good upstream looks bad"
like we just saw, typically upstream taking the blame/support effort for things "not working" or "having bugs" while having been fixed or implemented a while ago
> i would think users should expect that they lag upstream a bit
I'm fine with that, as long as the benefit of lagging behind is worthy of the cost, which in case of some upstreams like this one doesn't seem the case. It's ok that my apache/whateverbigpackage stays behind because there is a whole team backporting security holes and bugfixes, and even QA-testing the result. That's ok that libXYZ stays behind, because upgrading it would break stuff. It's ok that productiveAppOffice stays behind so not to break business workflows. But for backend applications like this one, I'm not convinced: an ideology can't be justified if the user loses. The problem isn't the ideology, it's that it's applied blindly.
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[17:47:40] <bowlofeggs> well it's not entirely blind i wouldn't say - users really do expect that dnf upgrade would not prevent the server from starting successfully (like the config change i mentioned, or a db migration)
[17:47:51] <bowlofeggs> i do read the release notes and specifically look for mentions of security issues
[17:47:57] <bowlofeggs> i haven't seen many, if any, listed there
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[17:48:38] <bowlofeggs> but i agree that it does have the drawback you mention of users not realizing they are behind on fixes
[17:49:02] <rom1dep> bowlofeggs: as a minimum, I think that all updates not having breaking config changes, and not requiring migrations sould go
[17:49:05] <rom1dep> bowlofeggs: as a minimum, I think that all updates not having breaking config changes, and not requiring migrations should go
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[17:50:46] <rom1dep> then, depending on how long the deprecation warning has gone on (+was it there in the version that shipped with the distro?) could be acceptable at times
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[17:51:14] <bowlofeggs> i believe i have shipped updates like that before
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[17:52:59] <bowlofeggs> sometimes it is a tough call
[17:53:16] <bowlofeggs> perhaps i could discuss choices like that in here in the future, when it's not obvious to me
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[17:55:25] <rom1dep> I think that'd entice me to go back to distro-provided packages (as opposed to compiled now) for newer installs :)
[17:55:34] <bowlofeggs> oh, and if there are security fixes happening that aren't going in the release notes, it would be good to start adding them there. i think that would be worthy of a break to the policy, unless it was low severity
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[17:55:50] <bowlofeggs> i say that just because i don't recall seeing any documented there. i could be wrong
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[17:56:31] <bowlofeggs> like a RCE flaw - i would def just update Fedora 31 (the current oldest release) to latest release if tehre was something like that
[17:56:39] <rom1dep> I think that dnf could improve in this area, too, in better advertising updates containing breaking config changes
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[17:56:45] <bowlofeggs> yeah i agree
[17:56:51] <bowlofeggs> that's something i love about gentoo
[17:56:58] <bowlofeggs> they have this nice news thing
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[17:57:13] <bowlofeggs> so when you sync with the repo, you get a notification that there is news for you (and it only shows news on installed packages)
[17:57:21] <bowlofeggs> and that's where the packager can tell users about changes
[17:57:28] <bowlofeggs> like if they need to run migrations, or config changes, etc.
[17:57:30] <bowlofeggs> it's great
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[17:58:15] <rom1dep> I get why "we never do that ever!" is a good excuse for why it's weak now, but I'd definitely use that as a compass in navigating  `system-upgrade`s
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[18:32:36] <bowlofeggs> Well fedora users still face changes like that when upgrading between major fedora releases (like 32 --> 33), so it would still be useful if dnf could do that too
[18:33:03] <bowlofeggs> Right now users are expected to just "figure it out" on their own, which isn't always easy imo
[18:33:25] <bowlofeggs> Gentoo packagers tell me what I need to do if there are manual steps and that's so nice
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[18:38:14] <Сейд> !info lime2.su
[18:38:16] <Servant> Сейд: lime2.su is running since 1 hour 51 minutes 37 seconds
lime2.su is running ejabberd version 19.09.1.
contact addresses for lime2.su are
- admin-addresses : mailto:root@lime2.su , xmpp:admin@lime2.su
[18:38:24] <Сейд> \m/
[18:40:18] <nuron> !info shreddox.eu
[18:40:19] <Servant> nuron: shreddox.eu is running since 2 days 39 minutes 11 seconds
shreddox.eu is running ejabberd version 20.07-1~bpo10+1.
contact addresses for shreddox.eu are
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[18:40:26] <nuron> \m/
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[19:31:31] <Сейд> Can I use mod_http_upload to upload files to a different server? Under Belarusian law, I am also responsible for the files that the user has placed on my server.
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[19:33:56] <ij> You should be able to use whatever http server that is configured to support that upload, I think…
[19:34:05] <Сейд> And, by the way, ejabberd has a problem with conferences that have a Cyrillic name - they can't be configured from clients later.
[19:34:54] <ij> I think what that it would be good to file an issue for ejabberd so it can get fixed in the next release
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[19:35:03] <Сейд> ij: yes, so I'm wondering, how do I set it up for this?
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[19:35:39] <Сейд> Okay, I'll report this issue.
[19:37:13] <Сейд> It would also be good if ejabberd keeps in touch with GeoIP...
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[19:38:56] <Licaon_Kter> Сейд: https://github.com/weiss/ngx_http_upload
[19:39:03] <Licaon_Kter> Сейд: geoip for?
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[19:40:53] <Сейд> For example, to allow only users from one country to register. Even better, this restriction is not for registration, but for using HTTP File Upload.
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[19:43:48] <Сейд> For example, I am afraid that someone will upload a forbidden photo and then send a link to it to the police. Given the legal default in the country, it may be easier for the police to accuse me of distributing banned photos on my server. I don't think they know about XMPP...
[19:46:45] <Licaon_Kter> Сейд: geoip is not perfect
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[19:47:35] <whysix> Сейд dont host the server in  Belarus?
[19:47:40] <whysix> Put it behind TOR only?
[19:47:54] <whysix> put behind a reverse proxy routed through Japan or something?
[19:47:56] <Сейд> Licaon_Kter: Driving in a hundred ranges of IP addresses with your hands is also not very healthy.
[19:48:21] <whysix> geoip is pointless for anyone wanting to just connect via a vpn n do the same thing
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[19:50:00] <Сейд> whysix: you see, I like XMPP and I really want my country to have its own server, too. And more recently, the external Internet was turned off here and I could not communicate with my friends from other cities of the country.
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[19:51:16] <whysix> at that level you need to have a cluster of XMPP servers
[19:51:28] <whysix> and mesh networking to avoid location discovery
[19:51:33] <ij> I think you speak about the current situation in Belarus… but I’m not sure if XMPP is the best protocol for your threat scenario…
[19:51:44] <whysix> I dont think it would be
[19:51:48] <Сейд> In Belarus, for example, VPN servers are prohibited, so GeoIP would be suitable for restricting file downloads by foreigners.
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[19:52:07] <whysix> you cant block a VPN lol
[19:52:29] <whysix> my VPN worked when I was in Belarus
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[19:52:36] <whysix> and it was not even setup privately
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[19:54:49] <Сейд> You don't quite understand. There are no VPN servers located in Belarus. In addition, less than a month ago, not only the Internet, but also cellular communications were turned off throughout the country.
[19:55:30] <Сейд> I hope there are no web logs here? It wouldn't be very safe for me.
[19:55:56] <whysix> Ah so it is only recent..
[19:56:02] <whysix> but any server can act as a VPN
[19:56:51] <whysix> actually what you could do is create an (country) internal private VPN network to route to an xmpp server.. it wont have a public IP so it wont have anyone know its actual location
[19:56:57] <whysix> as far as I know
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[19:57:53] <Сейд> We do not sell VPS without specifying passport data, so you should not be afraid of anonymous connection via Belarusian VPS.
[19:58:41] <whysix> You dont need a VPS, you can use home devices to link to each other via wireguard or openvpn
[19:58:56] <whysix> one persons hosts XMPP on their machine as a server
[19:59:09] <whysix> others connect to it via client with internal IP like 10.8.0.1 or whatever
[19:59:38] <Holger> > I hope there are no web logs here? It wouldn't be very safe for me.
This room is public and there are web logs. (But your JID/IP addresses aren't published, of course.)
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[20:02:01] <Сейд> whysix: oh, no one needs that. I wouldn't be surprised if only a few dozen people in Belarus use XMPP. The problem is not this, but that HTTP File Upload allows you to open the file in the browser and it may seem to me that I am hosting forbidden files on my server.
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[20:02:26] <bowlofeggs> i think you can disable the file upload feature
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[20:02:35] <bowlofeggs> not 100% sure, but that seems likely from my memory
[20:02:35] <whysix> yeah just disable uploads
[20:03:13] <whysix> lot of people on telegram
[20:03:15] <bowlofeggs> depending on your use case, you might also consider only allowing users you trust onto your server
[20:03:17] <Сейд> Holger: thank you, I'll be careful. By the way, it's a good idea to specify web logs in the conference topic.
[20:03:33] <whysix> its a public room, anyone could log it
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[20:03:44] <whysix> no point specifying as you dont know what a user could do
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[20:13:10] <Сейд> bowlofeggs: most likely, it will be an international server without HTTP File Upload.
[20:14:06] <Сейд> whysix: I asked about web logs
[20:15:05] <Сейд> But I wonder if you can protect yourself with custom_headers?
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[20:16:25] <Сейд> For example, to open photos only in XMPP clients? I don't know much about how headers work.
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[20:18:02] <Licaon_Kter> Сейд: the server specifies it, maybe your client doesn't show it...
[20:18:44] <Licaon_Kter> Сейд: https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issues/1697 see? It's this room...
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[20:54:38] <whysix> im using Dino
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[20:55:54] <whysix> Ahh so ejabberd us not qualified to run the /bin/sh -c script not as root?
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[20:58:53] <whysix> always a stupid shit permission issue
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[21:23:14] <o2> Linux™
[21:23:23] <o2> :)
[21:26:47] <Сейд> Licaon_Kter: are these web logs or MAM?
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