Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, September 8, 2020< ^ >
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[05:28:22] <Licaon_Kter> Сейд: you almost always have mam ofcourse
But sometimes web too: https://process-one.net/logs/ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/2020/09/07.html#19:55:30.140525
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[05:42:22] <conv> I have a few 2 sets of users in different countries,   set 2 cannot receive any message from the other set 1 while set 1 receives set 2's messages
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[05:49:07] <Licaon_Kter> conv: omemo or unencrypted? In 1:1 or MUC?
[05:49:34] <conv> Licaon_Kter: unencrypted in 1:1
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[05:50:07] <Licaon_Kter> Strange, one of the non-free countries?
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[05:56:23] <conv> Licaon_Kter: non free?
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[06:14:01] <Licaon_Kter> Read again :)
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[06:23:50] <conv> No.
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[07:10:38] <Сейд> Licaon_Kter: :с
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[09:38:48] <madmalkav> I updated my certificates and issued a reload, but as the certificates changed names, it complained about not finding the old ones. Is that OK?
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[09:40:38] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> changed name of?
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[09:41:50] <madmalkav> Filenames
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[09:43:29] <Licaon_Kter> Well then rename them back....what's the problem?
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[10:01:53] <madmalkav> I use a wildcard, so it should take the new certs, I dunno why it mention the old ones at all
[10:02:16] <madmalkav> Ummm, lemme see if any of the clients I have at hand show you info of the cert sent by the server
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[10:04:38] <Licaon_Kter> Oh, maybe a permission issue?
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[10:05:21] <madmalkav> I think it is probably loading the new certs ok , but I don't understand why it tried to load the old ones too
[10:06:57] <madmalkav> That is why I wanted to see what cert it presents to the client, to be completely sure it is sending the new ones
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[10:13:14] <madmalkav> Gajim won't show that, I think spark does but it won't install on this pc, fuck corporative computers
[10:14:08] <prefiks> what exactly error are you seeing?
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[10:14:39] <prefiks> you should be able to see cert if you have access to openssl cli
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[10:15:13] <prefiks> openssl s_client -debug -connect myserver.com:5222 -starttls xmpp -xmpphost myserver.com
[10:15:34] <prefiks> just use server domain you have
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[10:18:43] <madmalkav> Gonna try, thanks
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[10:21:52] <madmalkav> Doesn't accept xmpphost as parameter, lemme look for a server with a mote recent OS...
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[10:24:47] <madmalkav> > what exactly error are you seeing?
Certs configured to *.pem , updated certificates that included renaming the files, isued a reload, log complaints about not finding the old cert files that I deleted. I find it strange it tries to load those at all
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[10:25:29] <prefiks> i mean what message ejabberd is showing
[10:26:00] <prefiks> also which ejabberd bersion are you using?
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[10:27:25] <madmalkav> 2020-09-08 11:32:56.163357+02:00 [error] <0.302.0>@ejabberd_pkix:log_errors/1:401 Failed to read PEM file /path/to/file/file.key.pem: no such file or directory
[10:27:29] <madmalkav> ejabberd 20.03
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[10:27:47] <prefiks> it may works without xmpphost as well if you have same domain/xmpp server address
[10:28:22] <prefiks> should be ok i think if you managed to connect afterward, stored certs should be updated
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[10:28:59] <prefiks> i think this can happen if you have that specified directly in config file somewhere
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[10:37:50] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> `sudo -u ejabberd stat /path/to/file/file.key.pem` says what? use the proper user for ejabberd ofcourse
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[10:40:22] <madmalkav> that file doesn't exist
[10:40:32] <madmalkav> so it is normal that it does not find it
[10:40:40] <madmalkav> I don't understand why it tries to load it at all
[10:40:51] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: oh
[10:41:01] <Licaon_Kter> It used to exist in the past?
[10:42:40] <madmalkav> yes
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[10:43:27] <madmalkav> prefiks: it does work without xmpphost , but I don't understand what I'm looking at, I hoped to see some info on the certificate sent, or being able to save that certificate sent to read it and see if it is the old one or new one
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[10:44:21] <madmalkav> probably I'm just getting paranoid because of that error
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[10:51:23] <prefiks> you should be able to see cert that way, or at least see NotBefore/NotAfter for cert that server sends
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[10:51:50] <prefiks> probably those will allow you to see if that correct cert
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[10:52:28] <prefiks> seems you don't need -debug for that
[10:52:40] <prefiks> should be at start when issued without -debug
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[10:56:18] <madmalkav> I don't see any certificate, I get this
[10:56:20] <madmalkav> CONNECTED(00000003)
139961149503120:error:140790E5:SSL routines:ssl23_write:ssl handshake failure:s23_lib.c:177:
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no peer certificate available
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No client certificate CA names sent
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SSL handshake has read 349 bytes and written 473 bytes
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New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
Secure Renegotiation IS NOT supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1.2
    Cipher    : 0000
    Session-ID:
    Session-ID-ctx:
    Master-Key:
    Key-Arg   : None
    PSK identity: None
    PSK identity hint: None
    SRP username: None
    Start Time: 1599562552
    Timeout   : 300 (sec)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
[10:56:26] <madmalkav> when issued without -debug
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[10:57:06] <prefiks> ok it's not able to connect, maybe too old openssl cli
[10:57:15] <prefiks> what's your server domain?
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[10:59:55] <madmalkav> it is an internal domain, it is not reachable from internet
[11:00:03] <prefiks> ok
[11:00:20] <madmalkav> I-m gonna try some stuff and report back, thanks for all teh help guys
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[11:04:34] <madmalkav> OK, I think I found why your command was failing for me
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[11:14:41] <madmalkav> everything is OK, thanks a lot
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[11:30:32] <madmalkav> even if for some reason it tries to reload the old files, it also load the new ones and uses them properly, so everything is OK
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[12:28:05] <madmalkav> I chanted victory too soon, on one node it is ok, on the other one I get
[12:28:06] <madmalkav> 2020-09-08 14:26:14.782510+02:00 [warning] <0.28456.191>@ejabberd_c2s:process_terminated/2:312 (tls|<0.28456.191>) Failed to secure c2s connection: TLS failed: Failed to find a certificate matching the domain in SNI extension: error:1412E0E2:SSL routines:ssl_parse_clienthello_tlsext:clienthello tlsext
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[12:30:53] <prefiks> did you update/issue reload on both?
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[12:39:48] <madmalkav> ah, I'm an idiot
[12:40:05] <madmalkav> don't work on three things at the same time, guys, is bad for you and your results
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[12:40:33] <madmalkav> I set wrong owner on that node, and the problem reading the file is clearly stated in the log
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[17:26:09] <marc> Holger, what do I need to consider regarding concurrency for database handling (registering accounts, deleting tokens etc.)?
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[17:28:26] <Holger> marc: Concurrency?  Nothing special really ...
[17:29:31] <Holger> marc: I mean you probably won't have concurrent access to a given DB row, no?
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[17:31:13] <marc> Holger, I guess the client requests are handled in different processes, no?
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[17:31:38] <marc> So two clients could try to register with the same invitation token
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[17:40:08] <Holger> marc: Ah that's what I meant with "same row". I'm not into the spec. What's supposed to happen if the second client tries that?
[17:41:05] <Holger> marc: I suppose some error message is to be returned?
[17:41:45] <Holger> marc: In that case I guess you could just mark the DB column UNIQUE and whatever INSERT is slower will return an error?
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[17:46:25] <marc> Atm I have the following case: check for token validity, register account, delete token
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[17:47:07] <marc> But that would be prone to races when we have concurrent processes
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[18:53:56] <Holger> marc: The validity check reads the DB right?
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[18:54:50] <Holger> marc: You *can* do transactions but I'd avoid that if possible (even though it's not a performance issue assuming that you're not bombed with registrations).
[18:55:31] <Holger> marc: Is it a problem if two processes validate the token successfully and then the second one fails to register?
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[19:01:54] <marc> Holger: no its not but how would you do that? Checking or deleting the token and registering the account are two database actions
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[19:09:48] <Holger> marc: My naïve thought would've been: 1) check token, on fail return error, otherwise 2) register, on fail return error, otherwise 3) delete token and return success?
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[19:10:38] <Holger> Or if registration is idempotent even let both processes return success?
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[19:13:03] <marc> P1+P2 can both pass validity and register an account
[19:13:43] <marc> P1+P2 can both pass the validity check and register an account
[19:14:26] <Holger> Different accounts? Yes then the first suggestion (cleaner anyway)?
[19:15:36] <marc> With transactions?
[19:16:01] <Holger> Oh, registration just writes to the normal user DB, and the account names may differ. Now I get the problem, sorry.
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[19:17:49] <marc> I have a token in one table to track invitations. A token *may* be bound to a certain username.
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[19:19:17] <Holger> But not necessarily. Got it.
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[19:21:29] <Holger> Why is it different processes by the way?
[19:21:42] <Holger> Is it done in the context of some c2s process?
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[19:23:23] <marc> What do you mean by different processes? I thought every c2s connection is handled in a different process
[19:23:25] <Holger> I mean a simple way to avoid races without a transaction/locking would be to have a single process (per virtual host) take care of the actual registrations. Shouldn't be a bottleneck, again assuming you're not flooded with registrations.
[19:23:37] <Holger> > What do you mean by different processes? I thought every c2s connection is handled in a different process
Yes.
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[19:24:26] <Holger> But you could create a gen_server that checks/performs registrations, and gen_server:call() it from c2s.
[19:24:26] <marc> Ah, but then I pass it to a single process that handles all registrations in series?
[19:24:35] <Holger> Just to serialize things.
[19:24:38] <Holger> Right.
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[19:25:20] <Holger> Might be nicer than locking/transactions.
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[19:25:57] <marc> Okay, if that's the way it is supposed to be :) I have no overview of ejabberd wrt to clustering / what needs to be done in parallel and what not
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[19:26:05] <marc> > Might be nicer than locking/transactions.
Indeen
[19:26:11] <marc> > Might be nicer than locking/transactions.
Indeed
[19:27:18] <Holger> Hah, clustering, good point. Sigh.
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[19:33:19] <Holger> marc: Single process per node is fine, but not single process per cluster (we have that for MUC rooms and it sucks badly).  So you're totally right.
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[19:34:57] <marc> Holger: locking with mnesia? Are there good locking mechanisms in standard erlang?
[19:35:21] <Holger> You can assume transactions being effective across the cluster. For Mnesia they are; for SQL we leave it to the admin to set things up properly (or to just use a single SQL node).
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[19:37:35] <marc> So a process is blocked once it tries to access data used in an uncommitted SQL transaction?
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[19:49:00] <Holger> marc: The best way isn't obvious to me (never had similar needs) and I won't get back to my desktop today.  Can have a look tomorrow.  (Or maybe prefiks or others have good ideas :-) )
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[19:52:17] <marc> Holger: no problem, it is not urgent but I would like to implement it properly :)
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[20:25:56] <Servant> ij: daemons.it is running since 3 hours 56 minutes 49 seconds
daemons.it is running Prosody version 0.11.2 on Linux
daemons.it has no contact addresses configured.
[20:26:46] <marc> Holger: okay, there is an SQL transaction code that might work, will try that
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[21:22:44] <ij> !info testadillophone.science
[21:23:14] <Servant> ij: !uptime testadillophone.science resulted in: remote-server-timeout
!version testadillophone.science resulted in: remote-server-timeout
!contact testadillophone.science resulted in: remote-server-timeout
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[21:33:36] <nuron> > ij wrote:
> !info testadillophone.science
Did you received spam from this server too ij ? 😂
[21:34:06] <Servant> nuron: !uptime testadillophone.science resulted in: remote-server-timeout
!version testadillophone.science resulted in: remote-server-timeout
!contact testadillophone.science resulted in: remote-server-timeout
[21:34:46] <nuron> > testadillophone.science is running since 41 weeks 3 days 8 hours 32 minutes
> testadillophone.science is running Prosody version 0.11.3 on Linux
> contact addresses for testadillophone.science are
> - abuse-addresses : xmpp:support@testadillophone.science
> - admin-addresses : xmpp:support@testadillophone.science
> - feedback-addresses : xmpp:support@testadillophone.science
> - sales-addresses : xmpp:support@testadillophone.science
> - security-addresses : xmpp:support@testadillophone.science
> - support-addresses : xmpp:support@testadillophone.science
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[21:44:07] <ij> nuron, yes
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[21:44:50] <ij> today two spams contact requests, both from prosody servers… that’s 100% spam rate for prosody (-;
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[22:39:49] <tyler> Not since the sane defaults were added to ejabberd.yml
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[22:47:25] <benharri> when were the defaults updated?
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