Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, February 23, 2021< ^ >
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[02:55:53] <Alacer> sy: Why not debian box then.. I understand the taste but debian has latest release in backports and performance is good as well + it is used by public servers as well.. but its your own choice and taste...
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[07:12:31] <sy> More familiar with FreeBSD - I actually use ejabberd on it already so will be able to copypasta configs
[07:12:37] <sy> Also, I *hate* systemd
[07:13:33] <BlackEdge> Setup ejabberd to use jwt auth. But I found that presence request don't reach the destination. Can't seems to figure this out. Any ideas?
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[08:51:07] <Holger> sy: Heh, systemd is one of the main reasons why I switched over from (Net)BSD 😉 Anyway, Debian goes to great lengths to allow you to use ugly init scripts instead.
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[09:20:34] <neox> sy, Holger: Devuan exists
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[09:28:19] <Holger> neox: Can you just use Debian's stable-backports on there without hassle?
[09:28:46] <Holger> (What's the story BTW, vanilla Debian no longer works just fine without systemd?)
[09:31:21] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: nope, there's a lot of bikeshedding and it appears it's harder and harder to just use another init
[09:31:28] <neox> Holger: yes Devuan has stable, backports, instable branches
[09:31:46] <neox> I see that there is ejabberd in Devuan backports
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[09:32:30] <Holger> Ah so you don't just use the original Debian package.
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[09:33:22] <Holger> I guess they kinda auto-import packages similar to Ubuntu?
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[09:34:44] <Holger> > it's harder and harder to just use another init
Ah. Yeah I was assuming Debian won't be able to retain SysV compat in the long run, and always thought it's a great waste of manpower to even try.  But I wasn't aware things are already falling apart.
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[09:36:18] <Holger> Seperate distro sounds sensible to me, so those DDs not interested in other init systems aren't forced to take care.
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[09:39:58] <Licaon_Kter> Every 6 months there another mailist dramah, iirc even if you wanna patch some stuff to accept any init there were still roadblocks :(
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[10:08:53] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: an update about my now fixed devicelist issue, but still a mistery
My devicelist edit was b0rken, forgot the end / after the actual ID, so maybe gajim was cool and cleaned up my mistake
When I looked closer I saw it and fixed it, kicked the user, restarted the server, on reconnect both devices (gajim&siskin) were announced...all looks fine now _(no feedback from the user but no surprise there :rolleyes:)_
But, I started looking back in time and found this:
* by Aug 31 last publisher was Monal, 2 devices _(current at that time Monal and old ChatSecure)_
* Sep 23 Siskin is installed on a new device
* until Feb 05 *the devicelist is still unchanged* Siskin is NOT on the list, last update still by Monal, still Aug 31
* Feb 05 Gajim is installed, and it correctly adds its ID to the devicelist
I, wrongly, assumed that Gajim was at fault since it was the last one to edit the node, but the actual issue was that: _in ~4 months of usage Siskin was not added to the devicelist_
My other 2 users are ok, devicelists are as expected.
But, Tigase devs just asked, is the device node "open"?
Well, I force it to be with
```
  mod_pubsub:
    access_createnode: pubsub_createnode
    ignore_pep_from_offline: false
    last_item_cache: true
    plugins:
      - pep
      - flat
    force_node_config:
      eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*:
        access_model: open
      storage:bookmarks:
        access_model: whitelist
```
...right? Well..wrong...the node has access_model "presence"...wtf?! My other two Siskin users are open...
The question is, my config above is ok? Whes is that made open exactly, on creation? On each edit? On restart?
I recall correctly or is Conversations open-ning the devicelist nodes by default so maybe Siskin should too?
[10:09:22] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: an update about my now fixed devicelist issue, but still a mistery
My devicelist edit was b0rken, forgot the end / after the actual ID, so maybe gajim was cool and cleaned up my mistake
When I looked closer I saw it and fixed it, kicked the user, restarted the server, on reconnect both devices (gajim&siskin) were announced...all looks fine now _(no feedback from the user but no surprise there :rolleyes:)_
But, I started looking back in time and found this:
* by Aug 31 last publisher was Monal, 2 devices _(current at that time Monal and old ChatSecure)_
* Sep 23 Siskin is installed on a new device
* until Feb 05 *the devicelist is still unchanged* Siskin is NOT on the list, last update still by Monal, still Aug 31
* Feb 05 Gajim is installed, and it correctly adds its ID to the devicelist
I, wrongly, assumed that Gajim was at fault since it was the last one to edit the node, but the actual issue was that: _in ~4 months of usage Siskin was not added to the devicelist_
My other 2 users are ok, devicelists are as expected.
But, Tigase devs just asked, is the devicelist node "open"?
Well, I force it to be with
```
  mod_pubsub:
    access_createnode: pubsub_createnode
    ignore_pep_from_offline: false
    last_item_cache: true
    plugins:
      - pep
      - flat
    force_node_config:
      eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*:
        access_model: open
      storage:bookmarks:
        access_model: whitelist
```
...right? Well..wrong...the node has access_model "presence"...wtf?! My other two Siskin users are open...
The question is, my config above is ok? Whes is that made open exactly, on creation? On each edit? On restart?
I recall correctly or is Conversations open-ning the devicelist nodes by default so maybe Siskin should too?
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[10:09:42] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: an update about my now fixed devicelist issue, but still a mistery
My devicelist edit was b0rken, forgot the end / after the actual ID, so maybe gajim was cool and cleaned up my mistake
When I looked closer I saw it and fixed it, kicked the user, restarted the server, on reconnect both devices (gajim&siskin) were announced...all looks fine now _(no feedback from the user but no surprise there :rolleyes:)_
But, I started looking back in time and found this:
* by Aug 31 last publisher was Monal, 2 devices _(current at that time Monal and old ChatSecure)_
* Sep 23 Siskin is installed on a new device
* until Feb 05 *the devicelist is still unchanged* Siskin is NOT on the list, last update still by Monal, still Aug 31
* Feb 05 Gajim is installed, and it correctly adds its ID to the devicelist
I, wrongly, assumed that Gajim was at fault since it was the last one to edit the node, but the actual issue was that: _in ~4 months of usage Siskin was not added to the devicelist_
My other 2 users are ok, devicelists are as expected.
But, Tigase devs just asked, is the devicelist node "open"?
Well, I force it to be with
```
  mod_pubsub:
    access_createnode: pubsub_createnode
    ignore_pep_from_offline: false
    last_item_cache: true
    plugins:
      - pep
      - flat
    force_node_config:
      eu.siacs.conversations.axolotl.*:
        access_model: open
      storage:bookmarks:
        access_model: whitelist
```
...right? Well..wrong...the node has access_model "presence"...wtf?! My other two Siskin users are open...
The question is, my config above is ok? When is that made open exactly, on creation? On each edit? On restart?
I recall correctly or is Conversations open-ning the devicelist nodes by default so maybe Siskin should too?
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[10:10:38] <Holger> Yes it should, but maybe wait with that unrelated feature request :-)
[10:11:19] <Holger> The config looks fine, but it only has an effect during node creation.  Maybe that config wasn't in place when that node was created?
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[10:12:14] <Holger> And anyway, `presence` should still work for contacts.
[10:13:11] <Licaon_Kter> Tigase says Siskin might fail to add to devicelist if presence and not open, which sounds odd...
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[10:13:56] <Licaon_Kter> > The config looks fine, but it only has an effect during node creation.  Maybe that config wasn't in place when that node was created?
There's a chance to have some old configs...to look at...but afaik I put that open right from the start to have a smooth omemo setup
[10:14:11] <Licaon_Kter> > Yes it should, but maybe wait with that unrelated feature request :-)
I don't understand?!
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[10:14:35] <Holger> Sounds totally odd.
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[10:14:56] <Holger> Sorry I missed that in the Tigase room(?) cause they keep kicking me :-/
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[10:15:33] <Holger> I would've said, having the client force the node config to be 'open' is kinda optional.
[10:15:37] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe they'll even repro
https://github.com/tigase/tigase-server/issues/63#issuecomment-783794145
😒
[10:15:41] <Holger> (Does the OMEMO XEP even mention this?)
[10:16:20] <Holger> Traditionally OMEMO just only worked with contacts, because that's just how PEP works by default.
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[10:16:46] <Holger> Later on, it became obvious that it would be good to also make things work with non-contacts.
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[10:17:59] <Holger> But configuring the node to be 'open' requires additional client-side code, and so does subscribing that 'open' node of a non-contact.
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[10:18:33] <Licaon_Kter> This was discussed around the launch of 18.06 when I've setup my own server, so that's why I'm confident that users added after that should have been open...I'll need to see if I have same old test configs.
[10:18:35] <Holger> Conversations does this things but I would not have known whether/which any other clients do.  And as I said dunno whether the XEP even mentions it.
[10:18:58] <Holger> Yes I kept recommending it for ejabberd specifically because other clients did *not* do this.
[10:19:09] <Licaon_Kter> Anyway, Gajim added itself just fine so presence is not the issue imho
[10:19:23] <Holger> So yes I think it's a very good idea for clients to do it.  But only in order to solve the non-contact case.
[10:19:33] <Holger> So it's kinda optional and unrelated to your issue.
[10:19:45] <Licaon_Kter> Yes
[10:19:49] <Holger> The 'common' case (talk OMEMO with contacts) should work just fine with 'presence'.
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[20:03:58] <marc> MUC push for iOS does not work, right?
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[20:05:13] <Licaon_Kter> marc: nope, therob: both prosody and Holger,  iirc were looking at https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-mention-notifications.html
which should fix that or smth
[20:05:28] <Licaon_Kter> marc: nope, both prosody's Matt and Holger,  iirc were looking at https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-mention-notifications.html
which should fix that or smth
[20:06:15] <marc> So it's not even working with the Snikket server?
[20:06:42] <Holger> marc: It'll work with Monal. Once MUC works there 😂
[20:06:51] <Holger> marc: No doesn't work with Snikket.
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[20:07:01] <Holger> marc: It works with Tigase servers.
[20:07:17] <marc> Why with Monal? 🤔
[20:07:21] <Holger> marc: If the MUC on Tigase (or MIX).
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[20:07:29] <Holger> > Why with Monal? 🤔
Different architecture.
[20:07:40] <Holger> Monal tries to work with what we have.
[20:07:44] <marc> Without MUC push and ejabberd?
[20:08:08] <Holger> Not sure what exactly you mean with MUC push.
[20:08:28] <Holger> Groupchat messages will usually generate notifications in Monal.
[20:08:37] <marc> Well, vanilla ejabberd :)
[20:08:44] <Holger> Relies on mod_push_keepalive.
[20:08:46] <Holger> Yes.
[20:08:52] <Holger> Basically works like Conversations.
[20:09:08] <Holger> Which needs a pile of horrible workarounds on iOS.
[20:09:31] <Holger> But works without spec/server modifications.
[20:09:56] <Holger> Whereas Siskin tries to adjust specs & server to make things less hacky on iOS.
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[20:10:12] <Holger> So kinda cleaner but doesn't work 'today'.
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[20:11:49] <marc> Okay, makes sense
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[21:05:25] <m> I got it all working!
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